The deep state do not let into democratic power, who they dont want and they showed their hand when Jeremy Corbyn was elected as Labout leader of the Opposition
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elcome to another episode of the Watchdog with me Loki here on mint press
0:07where we week in week out are investigating the structures of power
0:13which dominate our society and going against the grain by publishing stories
0:19that are often marginalized outside the eyesight and the earshot of the masses
0:27and this week we are here with a special guest who hopefully will be no stranger to our
0:35audience and it seems he has published possibly a seminal text of our time
0:43on what exactly happened with the killing of corbinism in this
0:50country he like me and many others saw it as a window to a better world we saw
0:58it as an opportunity to redistribute political social and economic power in
1:05our society we saw it as an opportunity to widen political participation we saw
1:11it as the chance of a lifetime by our hopes were dashed they were
1:18thrown scattered into a million pieces and thrown into the wind we saw people lose
1:26their livelihoods we saw people lose their sanity we saw people lose their
1:32reputations we saw good people whose aim was only the betterment of their society
1:39lose everything they had as part of the killing of corbinism
1:46people were sacrificed and ASA wins Stanley who is our guest today has been
1:53relentlessly chronicling this process in granular detail you have seen
2:02hundreds of vital stories to understanding what happened in this
2:07country during that time published not just by him but electronic interfer that other writers too
2:13tracking bit by bit with true Watchdog journalism
2:19in in extensive detail what exactly was happening in the labor party it was ASA
2:26who broke the story that Labor uh under case Dharma had employed a former agent
2:33of unit 8200 the um Military Intelligence signals
2:40Communications unit of the Israeli military which specializes in blackmailing Palestinians on information
2:46it has procured through surveillance of them into Labor’s office for the purpose
2:52of quote-unquote social listening it was ASA that broke that story it was ASA
2:58that broke the story about Ella Rose who was former employee of the Israeli
3:04Embassy and went on to lead the Jewish labor movement and it was ASA who broke
3:10the story about Gary lubner the new um
3:15Big Time funder of the labor party who Acer has in the last week or so revealed
3:22to not only be a key Israel lobbyist but also someone that benefited materially
3:28from apartheid South Africa and now Asa has released this book which it’s
3:36essential that we read to understand exactly what happened to all of us and
3:41how the hopes and dreams of millions not only in this country actually but across
3:46the world trying to find a new way that this political unit that we call Britain
3:53can have some type of role in the world which is not destructive and Colonial
4:00and Imperial and we saw corbyn as a chance for that people across the world
4:05understood him as somebody who had been anti-colonial in his mindset at key
4:11points in his life and they thought there was a chance for a better one but
4:17all of that was dashed what happened there sir yeah that’s a big question I think I
4:25think we still don’t fully understand what happened I think we still don’t fully know everything I
4:31have tried to write this book as a first draft really a first attempt of
4:38writing the history of this and I mean they you know they say journalism is the first draft of history and that
4:43is what I’m trying to do here I think that so many things have happened that we don’t know about and that we won’t
4:49know about probably for decades I think that the role of the British deep state in
4:56combating Jeremy corbyn is not fully known and it won’t be known
5:01for a while and you know it may never be fully known we we can’t say for sure but
5:06some of it is known so some of it was out there but I think that the role of the Israel Lobby was far more blatant
5:13but they worked together and so I I think that I did try and I have tried to
5:18get across in my new book that aspect how these different forces of the deep
5:24State really work together so the example that I opened the book with was when was when Corbin was first running I
5:31mean it sticks in everybody’s mind but it’s kind of there were so many things that happened during corbinism for one
5:39of a better phrase but I think it’s a valid term the British media went so crazy that
5:45it’s hard to remember it all and I’ve tried to bring it all together in a coherent narrative so the thing that
5:50really sticks out in my mind one of the things I opened the book with is Sunday Times story from 2015 when corbyn was it
5:58was it was very clear he was going to become the leader of the labor party um a serving senior General in the
6:05British army spoke to the Sunday Times They didn’t name him no doubt it must have been him
6:11I don’t know if any so being senior female generals he said
6:17that if Kobe was to become Prime Minister there would be effectively a
6:23mutiny that was his words there would be rebellions on all levels there’d be effectively immunity and why was that
6:29well that was because he was somebody who was close to the British peace movement
6:34that’s what it comes down to is he’s an anti-war activist and Britain’s
6:40Britain’s Imperial role Britain’s role as an Empire is over in the sense of
6:46running its own Empire but it’s now a vassal state of the American Empire
6:51in effect and Corbin is someone who has worked against that in his political life so
6:59him becoming the leader of the country was just something Unthinkable to these
7:04forces I mean look even on the British left we don’t know the history of this
7:11country of what what the British government has done what the British intelligence Services have done well the
7:17British military has done to undermine British democracy the the term deep state is used commonly by academics for
7:25uh countries like turkey and Egypt um and it you know the the term gets
7:31kind of a bad it’s been kind of devalued in recent years because Donald Trump has
7:36used it and people think it’s some sort of conspiracy theory but it’s not that and you know
7:44Donald Trump occasionally had a point about some of what he was saying because there were elements no doubt of the
7:49American deep State they didn’t like what he was doing they would have preferred someone more like Joe Biden
7:54on the other hand Donald Trump did absolutely work to further ultimately American Empire there’s no doubt about
8:00that like you know when he was saying that we’re going to stay in Northern Syria to keep the oil and all that kind
8:05of stuff we assassinated um the Iranian
8:10uh military commander and politician uh political leader qasim suleimani who’s regarded as a hero by millions in the
8:17Middle East for defeating Isis um anyway bit of a tangent but the point
8:22is that the British deep State the the the term deep state is used for countries like Egypt and turkey because
8:29what does it mean well it means the military and the security and intelligence the Spy apparatus
8:35essentially has a massive amount of influence on how the country is run to say the least it
8:42has a huge amount of influence in in Turkey it’s even reached the point where in the past the military has overthrown
8:49and had coups against the against the government so um and similar things happened in Egypt
8:54as well well I mean I mean also you’ve got the example of Ramsay McDonald when he was
9:00uh standing for prime minister yeah on the labor ticket you had the Zenith
9:06letters that came out which were supposedly from the head of the Communist Party in Russia being sent to
9:15Ramsey McDonald saying we are very excited for your election we support you
9:21we believe it will lead to Greater relationship between the Soviet Union and Britain yeah and then what comes out
9:27after it is that this was a hoax by um uh what seemed to be MI5 offices at
9:36the time yeah and then you have Harold Wilson which you know and Harold Wilson wasn’t
9:42even a Corbin he didn’t allow British troops to join the U.S he wanted to send British troops to Vietnam well he he
9:49didn’t in the end thanks to public pressure partly the Vietnam solidarity campaign that of course then led to the
9:55Spy co-ops and the special demonstration Squad and all of that but even he was too much for the British deep State I mean these are really good examples of
10:02how the fact there is a British deep State and it is still it has long long interfered in preventing democracy
10:08really in this country and it’s still doing that now there’s still absolutely there’s no doubt that it’s doing it now
10:14and he was doing it quite openly against Jeremy corbyn in some regards like just
10:19this this story in the Sunday Times was just a signal it was an open sick it was it was it was it was a sign that they
10:26would take active measures and so you know if that’s what they were doing openly
10:31we can only imagine what they were doing behind closed doors to to
10:37um sabotage this popular movement and I I think it’s so important that we we learn these lessons and um you know I I
10:44get into some of that in my book but I think it’s it’s a far wider project of um political education and
10:50self-education that we have to undergo you know in this in this country
10:56especially that um you know the British intelligence services are completely
11:02unaccountable you gave the example of um Harold Wilson who was really on the soft left of the labor party
11:08um he was an imperialist really essentially he was an appearance responsible for Diego Garcia you know he
11:14was depopulating of Diego and handing over of it to the U.S as a military base and he was um he was very pro-israel as
11:21well but because he had these you know moderately Social Democratic domestic policies it was not enough for the
11:29British deep State they had they they worked against him you know and there’s been some uh there’s been some really
11:34good books about it about the plot against Harold Wilson’s book called smear by uh Robin Ramsey and uh his
11:41co-auth I forget the co-author um but you know these forces the British
11:46British in spy agencies are completely unaccountable to any kind of democratic
11:52control and they don’t want that power taken away from them and so they they work to undermine these kind of popular
11:58movements from within because um you can’t you can’t stand up to
12:03people power ultimate ultimately it can’t be defeated but
12:09it can’t be defeated if there’s if it has solidarity you know if it stays unified if it’s divided against itself
12:15then it can be defeated and I think that that’s what we saw and my book focuses on the Israel Lobby you know the
12:21subtitle to weaponizing anti-Semitism my book is how the Israel Lobby brought down Jeremy corbyn and that’s not to say
12:28that they were the only Factor by any means but what that what the state of Israel and its Lobby
12:35did was they provided the most powerful political weapon to the British deep state to the
12:42American deep state to the whole of the political right in this country to work against corbyn everybody
12:50from the right wing of the labor party to the conservative party so the fascist
12:56right is now has that still now has this powerful weapon to say you lot are
13:03anti-semitic you lot you a lot of the real racists this is the idea because they’re also devaluing and they’re
13:09delegitimizing the whole concept of racism you know it’s been the
13:14anti-racist movement has has become so successful that you know popular
13:20movements over the decades time and time again the most recent one being black lives matter they’ve it’s become so
13:26successful that it is cut it is a badge of Shame rightfully to be racist in this country but then you can still have the
13:32Prime Minister the former prime minister of the country saying openly racist things and not being held account to
13:38account for it and obviously I’m talking about Boris Johnson um and I won’t repeat some of the things he said because they’re really
13:44disgusting but they was never there was never any accountability for him and now they’re sort of trying to find him
13:50guilty of having a party here and there which I don’t think most people care about to be frank with you
13:55um although you know obviously there was lockdown going on and you know I’m not saying there’s no validity to it at all
14:00but in comparison to his other crimes I would say is pretty relatively small
14:06um anyway the point is that you know I mean I’ve heard tell from
14:12anti-fascist activists and I’m sure you’ve heard the same thing you know when they’re trying to oppose British
14:18fascists these days like you know counter demonstrations against anti-immigrant campaigners and you know
14:25and I don’t even want to call them campaigners just you know basically a bunch of fascist Rebel outside the hotel
14:30trying to sort of attack uh refugees and Asylum Seekers
14:36um some of the most desperate people in willfully Wars though we’ve often caused in the first place the the British
14:41government um you know anti-racist campaigners are
14:46trying to act against them and they get the fascists coming back to them saying Oh you lot you all support you know you
14:54and Jeremy corbyn you’re the real racists because you’re anti-semitic yeah well they don’t even know what it means
14:59most of the time you know you don’t even understand the concept they don’t know what anti-Semitism is and they probably
15:05some of them are anti-semitic themselves you know genuinely actually really anti-semitic but this idea of
15:12anti-Semitism most of the time when it’s raised in this country is actually not
15:18prejudice against Jews or hatred of Jews as Jews it is
15:23when it’s being raised in this country is actually what is meant is opposition
15:28to Israel yeah is opposition to Zionism the political ideology the dispossessed
15:35nearly a million Palestinians yeah five years ago to found the racist state of
15:40Israel the settler Colonial entity um and so this is you know anti-Semitism
15:46is something that has happened historically yeah um and um you know but today the whole
15:53concept has been completely devalued into basically a political weapon to oppose change to preserve the status quo
16:00so so what we’re talking about is the formation of a trilateral uh Security
16:06State which consists of the U.S Israel and Britain in which they Outsource
16:13their problems to each other so for instance your recent piece
16:19um with kit clarenberg about the Palestinian Authority uh the the traitorous
16:26um scumbags of the Palestinian Authority who kill Palestinians for Israel
16:32um that it is basically commanded
16:38by figures former figures of British intelligence who work for the Adam Smith
16:44Institute which has contracts from the British government so it’s like the neoliberalization of spy Corps it’s no
16:52longer government bodies it’s organizations that are outsourced by
16:58government bodies yeah with names that kind of obscure what exactly their
17:03function is now the interesting things you have the establishment of this trilateral state which acts together in
17:11concert yes there is spying on each other yeah yes there is
17:19competition sometimes but generally there is a complete consensus about what
17:25their policy is the British benefit from the creative
17:31ambiguities of acting as the um the the troubled conscience of of of old
17:41school imperialists and they’re they’re able to and it’s you know that kind of leads us on to this question of the
17:47right Institute study of London in 2011 which I think is absolutely vital for
17:54all of us to have a good understanding of because what it does is it creates a designation of pro-palestinian activists
18:02and actors in London specifically but in the country as a whole now it designates
18:11Critics on one hand of Israel and delegitimizers of Israel
18:17now this is a room which contains solely delegitimizers certainly and and you
18:25know the the influence of the Roy Institute is important it’s huge because when you even look at that study
18:31particularly who is thanked in assisting in the production of that study yes
18:36Jeremy Bowman Jeremy Bowen is it Bowen or Bowen uh Bowen Bowen from
18:43the BBC is thanks so he contributed his correspondence Middle East
18:48for the BBC contributed to the Roy institute’s
18:54um study which was Israel the vast number of people yeah but but it took place though under
19:01the auspices of Israeli intelligence basically this study this is a you know
19:06ostensibly a non-governmental think tank but it it’s a cut out for the Israeli State and it says in it that we thank
19:13this particular figure from these governments very clear is closer Ministry the intelligence and funded by
19:20the same people that funded the same organizations that killed corbinism yeah now
19:25those designations exist for us and they determine the type
19:31of policy which is aimed at us so the delegitimizers are said to receive
19:38attack and sabotage wherever possible the critics now now this is where we go
19:45in an interesting Direction because we the the publicly aggressive Lobby groups
19:52stood up and identified themselves and this is one of I think the greatest
19:57failures of that period of time is that appeasement became a knee-jerk
20:03instinctive response by people who should know better right now it wasn’t
20:09even thought about it was just done yes so attack and sabotage is aimed at delegitimizers but critics
20:16are subject to sophisticated engagement strategy yeah these are you’re quoting
20:22it this is the exact words sophisticated engagement strategies so then surely for
20:28us our job is to actually analyze what are the sophisticated engagement
20:34strategies yeah that are targeted at the critics because what they say is they
20:40want to draw a wedge between the critics and the legitimizers yeah separate them
20:45yeah and this is basically what happened with labor labor was told be a Critic
20:50rely on international law don’t mention Zionism talk about a two-state solution
20:56embrace the Palestinian Authority that is the pro-palestinianism which is
21:01allowed in this country yeah the delegitimizers read electronic into father
21:07donate to Palestine action and listen to my music this is the wedge that was drawn the the
21:14critics are allowed to have membership of uh unions like GMB
21:21or even receive funding from unions like GMB yeah so then the question here is
21:28understanding that there’s this designation that has been applied to all of us
21:33what happened next I think the sophisticated engagement strategies were
21:39the Jewish labor movement and primarily primarily the Jewish labor
21:45movement the labor friends of Israel as well to a lesser extent but I don’t think that was particularly
21:51sophisticated because it was I mean look they you know I think it was
21:56very clear who they were um even though you weren’t allowed to say they’re a throat group for the
22:01Israeli Embassy they blatantly were and they were caught on camera by Al Jazeera saying that essentially
22:07um Michael Rubin who is now the full-time director of Labor friends of
22:13Israel was caught on camera by Al Jazeera saying that we
22:19Joan Joan Ryan then the main MP leading labor friends of Israel will talk too
22:26shy most days shy myself being ostensibly the representative of the Israeli
22:33Embassy but was actually essentially an Israeli intelligence agent for the ministry of strategic Affairs so you
22:39have Labor friends of Israel its main MP is leading MP taking Direction essentially most days from the
22:47Israeli Embassy absolutely no doubt is still doing the same thing now as the cutout for the Israeli Embassy and I
22:52think most people you know even on the left of the labor party such as it is
22:58words at least privately they’ve probably perceived yeah it’s close to the Israeli Embassy but when it comes
23:05the Jewish labor movement was more sophisticated because in the sense of it was able to create more of an
23:12effective wedge because then you’ve got people with political opportunists
23:19no doubt but people with a massive platform are talking about Owen Jones especially whereas who has a mainstream
23:27massive mainstream platform is on the mainstream news all the time here’s the
23:33acceptable voice of the British left um he is who the mainstream media says
23:39is is the acceptable extreme of the left um and he was he was engaged
23:45he was engaged with this sophisticated engagement and he was able to say well I support the Palestinians I oppose the
23:52settlements um but I’m against all this anti-Semitism and Ken Livingston should be expelled for the labor party for
23:59stating historical factors for staying historical facts about Nazi uh Nazi Zionist collaboration in 1930 which has
24:06been extensively covered by in Hebrew in English there’s even for example on this
24:12issue of Nazi collaboration with the Israelis there’s been um dramatizations and series made about
24:20it in Hebrew yeah it’s a fact it had it happened and you know still nowadays the Israeli
24:27state collaborates with far-right groups it absolutely happens and if you look at the discourse between jabatinsky and Ben
24:34Gurion during that time Ben-Gurion is referring to Japanese guys
24:39as brown shirts yeah uh jabotinski is calling bengurion and Little Hitler yeah
24:45today you have Israeli political analysts and even members of the knesset
24:51calling Netanyahu and bengavir Nazis yeah this this course is
24:58completely permissible for some people yeah but to speak in these terms we are
25:06dancing all over the ihra yeah no it’s just a fact you know I mean uh
25:13you know our friend David Miller he you know one of the world’s foremost experts in the Israel
25:20Lobby I would say certainly you know certainly in this country um he you know fired from his job at
25:30Bristol University because he’s an anti-zionist even though he was found
25:36completely innocent of academicism by independent investigations he said the
25:41other day and I talk he did the other day he said something along the lines of I don’t know any other way than to speak
25:46the truth and you know yeah I identify with that because I think it
25:52you have to speak the truth and this is what happened it’s a fact that there’s no point in not talking about it like
25:58well it tells us something the fact that it’s really interesting you know you make you made a really good point about actually both main science factions of
26:05the Zionist movement the state of Israel now um they both sort of called each other
26:11Fashions that’s interesting you know both sites but the the ostensible design is left in the sensible Zone that’s
26:16right and they were kind of both right because they those those those those links did exist you know the the right
26:23wing zionists infamously actually reached out to the
26:30Nazi government to try and offered to strike an alliance a formal alone in 1941. yeah during the second world war
26:36and said we’ll go along with the Madagascar plan we’ll fight on the German side in World War II yeah they
26:44offered that um you know they’re gone it’s a historical fact argue with history I
26:49mean argue with the books that have been written about it it’s not us saying this is the document is there and um
26:56and you know the this as sensible Zionist left actions is a lot more than offer two
27:03they actually collaborated with um they actually collaborated with the Nazis so the the German I mean I have a
27:09whole chapter about it in my book so people can read all the details there but um and also there was the whole instance
27:16which we won’t have time to get into but of um the Hungarian Zionist leaders who really
27:23collaborated with um with the Holocaust and Israel katzner yeah you know this
27:28was a famous case in in Israeli history this was somebody who was very close to
27:35ben-gorian and many perceive many perceive that his libel case that he
27:43launched against um a gentleman who had been who someone
27:49from I don’t know if I actually remember wrongly but I think the person that was
27:54handing out leaflets talking about his collaboration with the Nazis this is Israel Katana I think his second name
28:00was Greenstein but I might be wrong
28:05but he so what happens is Israel katzner is a high-profile figure in the Israeli
28:13labor party um and he ends up trying to sue someone accusing him of collaborating with
28:19Eichmann and the Nazis yeah and it goes into court and it becomes very apparent
28:27that actually he did yeah and the interesting thing about that is that he
28:33did it at the behest of the leadership of the Zionist movement at the time rezo rezo katzner
28:40um also known as Israel has now he he didn’t want to sue but he was forced to by the leadership
28:47of the labor zionists because it was embarrassing for them long story short
28:52the guy ended up being assassinated by by the shin bear and the documents have been sealed for almost 100 years the
28:59documents have been sealed and um they are yeah they’re unlikely to ever be
29:05opened up until Palestine is liberated if they still exist you know yeah um at
29:10that point but they um yeah so you know this guy became an embarrassment and he was off and um
29:16because there was this big libel trial and um it’s just a fact yeah it’s just the fact you know and Ken Livingston
29:22mentioning it but how whatever your opinion is of of the way a person says
29:28something okay let’s just say for the sake of
29:35argument I don’t agree but just say for the sake of argument what Carolyn said was undiplomatic because I’ve had some people sort of argue that it doesn’t
29:41matter okay it doesn’t matter what are you saying you should have been was it wrong for being was it romantic no you
29:48know we needed a little a little less diplomacy and a bit more fire yeah and and the thing was is they were able to
29:56um un and dehumanizing stigmatizing demonize him you know this someone who
30:01was a a kind of an iconic figure of the labor party historically mayor of
30:10London you know um and they they threw him to the wolves
30:15and so really the writing was on the wall from that point that others would
30:20be sacrificed in the same way yeah this is this is it because
30:25this was the problem like so they were attacking Jeremy corbyn
30:31straight away from the summer of 2015 they were attacking him on this issue straight away they were accusing him around semitism saying he was an
30:37extremist on and on and on at first and this is what I try and Trace the lines
30:43of in my book because it would be impossible to to to recount every single instance of of
30:51this I tried it was a factory it was a factory it was a smear Factory it really was and I it was it was impossible to
30:57keep up with it all and in a way you don’t want to just debunk everything you want to stop things from happening in the first place but what I tried to show
31:04in the book and I think I’ve succeeded in doing is it started off attacking Jeremy corbyn
31:10personally he’s a racist he’s an extremist blah blah blah blah didn’t fully take off at first the
31:17reason being Jeremy corbyn is not a racist he’s not announced semi and people could see through it and a lot of
31:22these things were debunked and straight away they were attacking him on saying well you know oh they’re implying he was
31:30anti-semitic they were trying to imply it and say oh well you know you called Hamas your friends and all this kind of
31:36things well you know Hamas is whatever you think of it is a popular Palestinian
31:41political party and more importantly it is the leader of the Armed resistance
31:47which Palestinians support whether people like that or not is irrelevant it’s it’s not anti-Semitism and it’s a
31:54right of all occupied people according to multiple U.N resolutions um and democratically elected government
32:01exactly this is it that so it was it was [Music] um it didn’t
32:07it was sort of rolling on in the background and it was an irritant and annoyance and it made things difficult
32:13but it didn’t start to explode really until they they decided okay that’s not
32:19working we’ll try some the same thing but slightly differently we’ll go for the people around Corbin yeah we’ll go
32:26for the people around Corbin so even before Ken Livingston it was this event
32:32which a lot of people forget but was I think was really important was
32:38um what happened at Oxford University labor Club so I I have a whole chapter well two
32:45chapters really about what happens here in my book and people can read all the details there but in a nutshell
32:52at Oxford University labor Club there was an allegation and it became a big
32:57National story um and even had International Dimensions there was a columnist a prominent common
33:03columnist in the New York Times who who wrote a column about it
33:09um about oh an anti-Semitism of the left and the story in the national press was
33:14the leader or the co-chair of the Oxford University labor Club you know student
33:20is a fancy name for a student Society labor party student Society had quit his
33:26position because of anti-Semitism there’s a terrible you know they they announced the investigation
33:32um Ed Miller Band the former leader of labor party canceled a planned speaking event at Ulster University labor Club it
33:38was it was on all these headlines it was a terrible scandal um but there was no basis to it there
33:45was no evidence there was no you know no one asked any questions about it you know there was no evidence right and so
33:52when the when the guy his name was Alex young guy named Alex Chalmers he posted uh his resignation statement
34:01on Facebook about it you know I’ve I’ve quite formated my book I’ve still got the screenshots now although it’s
34:06deleted what he actually said was I’ve resigned yes he accused people of
34:13anti-Semitism but there was nothing specific there was no specific allegations except what he said was oh
34:20they voted in favor of Israel apartheid week yeah so you know the labor Club is
34:26deciding that he’s going to campaign for Palestinian equality and raise awareness of Israeli apartheid but instead of
34:33being able to do that he’s ignited this big National Scandal over a completely manufactured and invented idea of
34:39anti-Semitism in the labor party and this was really really important not
34:45just for that one that one story which was just one of many stories but it really started for
34:52two main reasons it started this trend of um people around Jeremy corbyn being
34:59attacked and it spread it so it spread it to the wider movement and that meant that you know obviously the people Corbin and
35:06his people were going to protect Corbin but then if there was you know some Pro Corbin student at the lab at Labor are
35:13they are they gonna protect him probably not they’re probably might consider him Expendable and um
35:20so people started people around corbyn started to be picked off one by one by
35:25one by one and that was ultimately in the end years later a few years later it
35:30led to the political assassination of Jeremy corbyn himself and the decapitation of the movement it was a
35:36war of attrition it was a war of trition absolutely and um you know you have to hand it to the enemy to the Israel and
35:43his Lobby they they they they did that successfully you know they did they didn’t give it up you know even in the
35:50altazira documentary the undercover altazira document which exposed this Israeli uh effectively in Israeli
35:56intelligence agent yeah an Israeli spy shy massage um he said it he said Don’t Let It Go
36:02when it was asked for advice about Jackie Walker who was one of these pro-corbing people yeah picked off Don’t
36:08Let It Go just keep keep on no no no no no no they did they did do that so the second reason why that was important
36:14uh in the smear campaign was because what it started was the first
36:22investigation the first of many many investigations into so-called anti-Semitism in the labor party I lost
36:28you know I I can’t remember my book I believe it’s about six or seven
36:33different investigations yeah and that was the first one it was the labor students investigation was never
36:40published it was never officially endorsed it was kind of hushed up but I did manage to obtain it yeah I didn’t
36:45publish it I published some extracts from it I didn’t publish it because it was a completely libelous document yeah
36:51it just met there was stuff in it that I managed to show was completely made up so I have a question here now and sorry
36:59one more thing yeah the guy who wrote it was then soon after given a job in labor
37:04friends of Israel and it would and he admitted to working closely with shy massage there you go so so so now now
37:10give us Asa um where because what people will say we
37:16do is we assume a lack of agency so they say okay these groups might be
37:23pro-israel yeah but they personally feel aggrieved by what they deemed to be
37:30anti-Semitism they say to us where’s your proof this is being directed by the
37:36political unit the alleged state of Israel breakdown for us where that issue of
37:44Direction comes into it because there’s things that you know I’m happy to play
37:49wingman on this answer but I’d love to hear you break down what I would say to
37:54that right is I’m sure CIA agents feel personally
38:00agree that whatever justification comes in their mind that American freedom is being crashed in in but specifically in
38:08this case that break it down for us so um yeah I mean what I would say is yeah of
38:14course the people in these groups they probably believe a lot of what they say yeah I think I don’t think they
38:20believe everything they say well I mean in a way you just gave me an example with shea Masood and he’s talking about don’t have a job this is a directive
38:27given by an Israeli government officials I mean but yeah but it’s it’s like it’s
38:33they work together and these these groups these prior Israel groups so this whole idea of oh
38:39oh you know you’ve taken away their agency I just think it’s a load of rubbish because
38:45they it is proven and shown that they act in close coordination with
38:53like that’s the whole point why would you have a pro Israel group if it’s not going to work closely with the state of
38:58Israel you know one of the pictures that I love is I always try to yeah is the
39:04picture that you are electronic into father published of Ella Rose
39:09next to um in front of David Cameron next to Israeli Embassy Personnel probably the
39:16Israeli Ambassador I think at the time I think when she worked there you know who else was in the picture
39:21the convicted frauds for Gerald Ronson right yeah yeah so
39:27there’s a united front being shown here of Israeli Embassy employees as well as
39:33the head of the CST well I think I think that photo was actually the heads of the
39:39different Israel Lobby groups CST Board of deputies uh jrc and so forth there
39:46was another picture where she was posing with um uh the former Ambassador and
39:51with Jeremy Newmark yeah yeah but I mean that in itself tells you something that
39:57these groups are so intermingled yeah they act they literally have revolving doors between them so she’s gone she
40:03worked in the Israeli Embassy and she’s gone straight from the Israeli Embassy to the Jewish labor movement and and tell us about the board of deputies
40:10trustees report 2020. yeah so the board of deputies is um all the deputies of
40:17British Jews it’s a very old organization you know it’s um
40:22you know it started in the 18th century I believe um but right up until
40:28the 1940s it was anti-zionist um but in the 1940s it was it was
40:36essentially a hostile takeover by the Zionist movement and I think this is something we don’t know enough about actually and if you
40:42read uh Paul Kellerman’s book which I relied on for some quite extensively actually for my book you know brilliant
40:50um Manchester University academic he wrote a definitive study of
40:56um the British left and Zionism subtitle history of a divorce it’s a really good
41:02book it’s really reasonable you know there’s a lot of academics who um frankly terrible Raptors he’s not one of
41:08them he’s a good writer as well as being a good researcher um and um in that he explains and this
41:16has been explained by other um by some you know anti-zionist uh
41:22academics and so forth of the concept of enzionism of the conquests of Zionism
41:30and um the way Paul Kellerman explains is there was there was three Conquest
41:36Central to the success of Zionism number one was the conquest of Labor number two
41:41was a conquest of land and number three was a conquest of community
41:46of of a Congress of communities um which is a little bit more complex and will come too the first one the
41:53complex of labor was essentially um
41:58uh replacing Palestinian coming to Palestine colonizing Palestine and
42:04getting rid of Palestinian workers and that’s what you get yeah
42:10get rid of the Palestinian workers replacing them with Jewish workers yeah colonies number two conquest of land
42:17physical conquest of the land yeah number three was the conquest of communities now that’s more complex
42:23because the first two are more about Palestine number three is the Congress what is meant by Congress or communities
42:29is the Congress of Jewish communities yeah in Europe and in and in Iraq and in
42:35around the world yeah yeah yeah and what was meant by that was taking over the institutions yeah the institution
42:42institutional bodies of Worlds jury and conquering them for Zionism and that was
42:48you know to a large extent outside of um uh religious Ultra Orthodox communities
42:55and um outside of um you know secular left-wing anti-zcionists
43:02that was that was done to a very large extent and so this is a long way to go about saying that the board of deputies
43:08of British Jews essentially claims to represent all Jews but is actually really
43:13in large part an Israel Lobby organization that’s what it spends most of its time doing and the document that
43:19you mentioned spells that out it says we have a quote close working relationship with the
43:24Embassy of Israel including the Israeli military spokesman and the ministry of
43:30strategic Affairs which is essentially an Israel well it’s now been uh supposedly disbanded but in reality
43:36folded into other Ministries but it was really a semi-covert Israeli sabotage
43:42agency precisely for this kind of Road Institute to advise staff that you
43:48mentioned since 2009 and a series of reports by The Rage Institute starting
43:53in around about 2009 2010 2011. the the recommended strategy was quote as you
44:00said sabotage and attack hubs of what they call delegitimization uh in the west and they especially
44:06focused on London um and other you know what they regarded as delegitimization Palestine solidarity
44:14centers of Palestine solidarity around the world I mean it’s interesting you mentioned the conquest of communities there’s an
44:21amazing book by Abba shibla um called um the law of Zion and it’s looks in in
44:28intense detail at the campaign in Iraq to get what was referred to as Zionist
44:34in Misery by Zionist the Mysteries at that time as good human material so the
44:40Iraqi Jewish Community ancient Community um had attained a certain level of not
44:48only political but economic power in Iraq throughout the British Mandate of Mesopotamia
44:53but former Finance Minister prominent member of the Iraqi Jewish Community
44:58um to Aid in what Yusuf and Kabir who was an Iraqi Jewish lawyer in the 30s
45:04their militant archeology that’s what he called Zionism a form of militant archeology and that campaign is
45:12fascinating because not only does it um involve the provision of key
45:20um social assistance that one might imagine it even ends up in seemingly in
45:28in shiblock’s book he he he makes the claim that both the British Embassy the
45:35U.S embassy and the Iraqi government had a consensus that the the the the the
45:42the bombing of synagogues in Iraq including cafes that
45:49were frequented by Jewish people had taken place by
45:54um Israeli intelligence in 1951 because they’d been able to pass something called the
45:59denaturalization law said is somebody who they’d been cultivating
46:05at least since the 20s and 30s so at one point they tell future was an Iraqi
46:12political figure who went on to be prime minister in 1951. now he was somebody who had shown a
46:19willingness to um carry out a population transfer
46:25this was back in the 20s and the 30s whereby Iraqi Jews would be sent to Palestine
46:31and Palestinians would be taken into Iraq outstanding plan of Zionism was to express population Palestinians to Iraq
46:38yeah and so what he then did in 51 was he passed this law which would allow
46:44Iraqi Jews to leave their Iraqi citizenship give up their property and
46:51anything they owned and become Israelis right now what about does in
46:58this book is he tracks the exact figures of people months by months that took up
47:05this offer and so he looks at the first three months from the denaturalization law was passed and it’s very small uptake yeah
47:12you know from the centers like Basra and Baghdad which had ancient words why
47:17didn’t they go to why would they go to this the the statement had been at war with the state had been at war with you
47:24know the the the the the period of 48 and the war with you know the
47:30governmental and monarchy um betrayal in some ways had been
47:37popular you know the the the Iraq’s participation in the war in Palestine
47:43was widely supported in Iraqi Society legislation had been passed you know
47:48despite the fact that the government um like I say had uh had ultimately
47:54fallen in line with the hashemite position which was to facilitate Israel
47:59basically um they had passed legislation against uh Zionism in the society in general
48:06however and the interesting thing is that whether it was the third or the fourth
48:12month I can’t remember exactly but it was the month when the Turning Point happened these bombings took place
48:19then people leave at 100 over 100 000 people leave
48:25um but then when they get to Palestine they find themselves into there’s an amazing uh documentary about insa
48:31Baghdad um which speaks to some of these people that had taken this journey and they say
48:38that when we got to Palestine we were left in camps yeah and the
48:44Israelis sprayed us with DDT when we got off the plane and we had to
48:51um you know and then this goes into the stratification within Israeli Society on racial lines racism again Zionism was
48:57racist against um you know against Jews as well Jews
49:03who were from Arab countries and they considered them to be
49:09sort of uh posits these people as Arab victims of Jewish victims of Zionism
49:15Arab Jewish victims of science but you know obviously we do know that
49:21there’s a heavy heavy uh contingent supporting the the most right-wing
49:26Zionist policies Within These communities now of what they call them is but you know at that particular time
49:33this was a group of people viewed as useful human material but it’s just really interesting the way that that
49:39conquest of communities manifested in different contexts he had the situation in Egypt for example
49:45um uh Lavon the Israeli Minister of Defense now this is an interesting one it’s not like Iraq Israeli government
49:51take credit for it so during Abdul NASA’s time you have bombs placed at positions of U.S
49:59importance but also positions of Jewish importance in Egypt by Israeli intelligence to the extent that Lavon
50:06even got an award by the Israeli government for this this operation yeah
50:13it’s called the Lavon Affair in Israel because it I forget it all came out you
50:20know in Israel like some years later and there was some Scandal over it but it wasn’t the fact that the Israeli state
50:27had carried out this massive Terror operation against primarily Jewish Targets in Egypt
50:36um as a false flag um in order to basically provoke war with Egypt
50:42um it I forget what that wasn’t the Scandal the Scandal was some relatively minor political thing I forget all the
50:48details of it now but it was just yeah they hadn’t done it effectively enough or something like that but that all came
50:53out and that was all proven but it’s still now not really considered to be much of a problem you know it’s kind of
51:00a forgotten bit of History the the Iraqi I mean the the the Jewish community in
51:06Egypt was relatively small I think but the Iraqi Jewish Community was was fairly large and it was
51:13I was very ancient as well you know so um yeah I mean I think that is a massive
51:18I mean I personally have no doubt whatsoever that um Mossad was behind those bombings of synagogues and and um
51:26um other Jewish Community areas in Iraq you know it they absolutely drove all
51:32that um I think it I saw an interview with the um the Academia Kevin schlain
51:38was a really interesting um it’s a really interesting and impressive historian who um you know he
51:45uh he’s often described as Israeli I would uh to me he’s an Israeli he’s an
51:50Iraqi Jew that’s it um um he’s an interesting character because I think he’s kind of moves more
51:56anti-zionist over the years but anyway that’s as maybe but the point is his background is from Iraq I think he might
52:02have even been born in Iraq certainly his parents well yeah um and um he did an interview some years
52:09ago with Asante Mimi and he asked him about these incidents yeah and he’s he
52:15and he said you know what have you found anything in the archives about this and he said well I did check the Israeli
52:20archives but I couldn’t find any concrete evidence of this but he said every single member of my family
52:27believes that was done by the muscle so that is widely known and you know that
52:34is widely known within those communities I mean it’s interesting well I think that is something that will probably
52:39come out in the future and then with the yemeni community this is the other thing you think the children were kidnapped
52:46literally kidnapped by by um white Jewish families yes by the
52:52state yes by the by the Israel and the parents were shown Graves so I
52:58understand we’re talking about yemeni Jewish population that is
53:04another ancient population by hook or by crook is it lured into Israel
53:10the children were kidnapped from these yemeni families it’s again it’s another
53:16scandalism Israel which is not talked about in the worst and the yemeni families were told your children died in
53:22birth and were shown Graves the children who were not dead and who had been kidnapped and taken into
53:28Ashkenazi you know I mean this is white supremacy would you want to call it twice yes absolutely yeah
53:36um you know what I’m sort of partly interested in as well when you were talking about the far right aspect is
53:42you know we can’t forget that Tommy Robinson he was a Shellman fellow at the you know
53:49because the the far right were also making uh Leaps and Bounds during this
53:54time you know until Tommy Robinson was taken off of social media he was
54:00reaching millions of people Dale through social media now I’m not I’m not one of
54:06these people that sort of gets the state to then shut down people whose opinions
54:12I don’t agree with but when you look at also his funding and you understand that okay he was a Shulman fellow at the
54:19David Horowitz Freedom Center okay David Horowitz well-known Israel lobbyist that’s a fact Robert shillman though was
54:26on the board of the friends of the IDF at the same time as he was given a calling to Lucy Brown ten thousand uh
54:33pounds or dollars a month Tommy Robinson um as a shillman fellow which was a
54:39position also shared by Ben Shapiro Tommy Robinson then goes through his court situation who pays his legal fees
54:46the Middle East forum who leads the Middle East Forum Greg Roman who’s a
54:51former employee of the Israeli Ministry of Defense in the Israeli foreign Ministry so in a way there’s direct role of
55:00people involved with the mechanics of the Israeli state
55:06pushing Tommy Robinson and His ideas in British Society you look at Katie Hopkins in a way there was a bit of a
55:12split here because at one point the board of deputies um you know issued statements against
55:18Katie Hopkins but Katie Hopkins received a huge amount of support inside occupied Jerusalem by the Israeli man of
55:26Jerusalem who’s now gone on to a higher government position under the Netanyahu government
55:32um and Katie Hopkins was also supported by David Horowitz Freedom Center so in a way you’ve got you know when we were
55:39talking earlier about racism it’s like we have had and explicitly islamophobic foreign policy
55:47as long as I’ve been alive there’s been people that I consider myself to have an affinity with on the
55:54other side of British government and U.S government and Israeli government which is the trilateral security state which
56:01lurches over us on the bottom of those bombs so this is State sanctioned racism
56:08that is just the norm and yet at the same time we’re seeing an opportunity for us to to widen political
56:15participation in decision making in the society or we’re the ones called the races when we’ve been working all these
56:21years against the racism which has hurt us and hurt our families yeah yeah this is where we reached her and this is why
56:28it this is why it was such a powerful weapon because it really got it really
56:34got to people and you know people sometimes say to me well was it all the Israel lobby wasn’t
56:40it brexit I’m not saying it was all the Israel Lobby that’s not the point the point is that it this was the most
56:46damaging weapon that was used against this popular movement in a way that brexit
56:53wasn’t and because to be you know okay people have different
56:58you know opinions over brexit at the end of the day so what the point is
57:05Jeremy corbyn was being attacked personally attacked as something that actually go to his heart
57:12which was or you’re racist you know I think he probably started to believe not that he was racist but oh
57:18maybe there’s something in all this so maybe I need to do something about it and this was the problem you know this
57:24was the real problem because they were beating a delegitimizer into a Critic
57:29yeah yeah yeah I think I think uh
57:35I think that was that was the project absolutely you know and um
57:40uh it was it was incredibly damaging because ultimately it was it was divide and Rule and it was like you said it was
57:47what they called what the riot Institute called the the wedge strategy yeah because they know this is why sabotage
57:55and attack was so important for them it wasn’t um winning hearts and Minds no no but
58:02but that’s also because they knew they can’t and and they’ve also with you know the science movement has always been top
58:08heavy yeah it’s always been top heavy because it’s never been massively successful in an organic Grassroots way
58:15it has always had this Israel doesn’t have a membership yeah if you look at people people informally say oh they’re
58:22a member of Labor friends of Israel if you go on to labor frenzy as well website and you try to join as a member
58:27you can’t there’s no membership form yeah because they they in the past they
58:33did have members decades ago but again this is something Paul Kellerman talks about they had to wrap it up because
58:38they they didn’t have enough supporting them instead they get supporters who are
58:43the supporters their MPS their Lords you know they’re these prominent figures within the labor party yeah
58:50um so you know it’s um it shows they don’t have they don’t they don’t have
58:55the people on their side they don’t have any kind of mass movement all they have is lobbying money
59:01and delegitimization and just dirty dirty tactics and smears essentially and
59:07they do have a lot of money this is a fact and um we don’t talk about it enough we don’t I mean part of the
59:13reason we don’t talk about it enough because we don’t know enough about it because it’s completely opaque yeah but
59:18shy massage Infamous one million pounds where was it going where did it go we
59:23don’t know we still don’t know they claim it was for trips for young people yeah as well yeah but I mean that’s
59:29that’s the Drop in the Ocean yeah you know one million pounds when we when we think of across these years what has
59:35flown in and out you know and there’s Pastor organizations this is the truth and they I’m sure they buy MPS I’m sure
59:42they do but because not all of these people like who was Joan Ryan anyway yeah and who is this guy what is it
59:48Steve I can’t remember any of their names who is Joan Bryan’s successor I think his name’s Steve Reed yeah who is
59:54he no one’s heard of him yeah but here’s the question then ASA is um how does
1:00:00that lead us into your Latest Scoop which is Gary lubner yeah so the the one of the big
1:00:09cleavages within the Corbin years and one of the potentials for change that we saw that you talked about at the beginning was that you know one of the
1:00:17things that was changed that did briefly change in the labor party was the potential to involve a mass
1:00:25movement of people you know for good for some sort of positive change in the
1:00:30country and one of the ways that that would have been done and they did start to happen to an extent was to remove the
1:00:38corporate lobbying money from politics and to replace it with people with
1:00:43people power and you know Jeremy corbyn ultimately left the labor party in very
1:00:49good Financial shape and that was because um it was supported by a mass movement
1:00:56of members which would was nearing 600 000 people at its height you know it was
1:01:02um reaching record levels in the labor party you know under Tony Blair the labor party became this corporate husk
1:01:08which was financed by major corporate donors essentially uh the leading light
1:01:14of which of course was Michael Levy infamously known as Lord CashPoint
1:01:20um because he was he was himself a donor um to uh Tony Blair’s neoliberal labor
1:01:27party but more importantly he rallied other big businessmen big
1:01:33businessmen to support labor newly the new labor project
1:01:38um and he was he was a very influential uh Israel lobbyist and so you know that
1:01:44all fed the direction of neoliberal pro war pro Israel labor under Tony Blair
1:01:51and the corbiners that started to change because just the very fact that Corby was in
1:01:58charge of it meant all these big donors started pulling out and some of them actually had made loans which was really
1:02:04interesting they’d made loads of the labor party well they started to call those loans in when Corbin came in and they were all
1:02:11making a big fuss about oh we’re gonna We’re Not Gonna donate any more and you know probably just said okay good
1:02:17you know so that was good but the problem of course now is that
1:02:22200 000 people who joined the labor party to vote for Corbin have now been kicked out essentially kicked out or
1:02:29pushed out of the labor party in some way by the purges of the membership that have happened under case Dharma and that
1:02:37really let’s be honest began in the corbyn Years um
1:02:42now you know as especially targeting the pro-palestinian left Palestine
1:02:47solidarity activists and so forth now those 200 000 people have also taken
1:02:53their membership fees with them so this was what was replacing the corporate donors was just small small bonus
1:02:58individual people giving their monthly uh whatever it was five or six pounds or whatever it was
1:03:05um and and then at election time rallying around putting in 20 pounds whatever it is needed and that was
1:03:10incredibly successful you know it was never talked about by that and you know we saw similar things happen with other
1:03:16Insurgent campaigns Like Bernie Sanders and so forth that people power has now gone and it’s we’re bringing with the
1:03:23playwrights are back in and so is looking for big donors again and he’s
1:03:29bringing them back in and it was announced earlier this month by the financial times which basically did
1:03:36a puff piece interview with this guy that one of these big donors and potentially the biggest one is going to
1:03:42be a man called Gary lubner now Gary lubner you know I read the article it didn’t say it
1:03:49didn’t say that he was an Israel lobbyist but I thought yeah let me look the guy up I bet he is
1:03:55and sure lo and behold he is an active donor and financier of the Israel Lobby
1:04:01in this country and you know no doubt all over the world um he’s certainly a long-term uh founder
1:04:08of the ujia which is um very the United Jewish Israel appeal which um sends
1:04:15young people mostly Jewish young people on trips to propaganda trips to Israel to basically indoctrinate them into
1:04:21Zionism where they’ve been found to stay in illegal settlements in the legal settlements as well
1:04:27um so this this um is and is actually very closely tied to the state of Israel itself so he’s a
1:04:33long-term supporter of that but what was also interesting in this story was that what I found was that Gary ludno is a
1:04:39South African so but he’s lived in this country for uh a good number of years now
1:04:45um since he um began working um well rewind the story a bit the
1:04:52interesting part is he he was a South Africa he is a South African he
1:04:58um is uh basically the Scion of a very rich family very rich white South
1:05:04African family um which ran a company a family firm
1:05:09which was later you know at certain points was worth billions
1:05:14um and was doing billions in sales it was it started off as a a plate glass for a windshield swim and actually the
1:05:21company now still owns the brand in Britain it owns Brands all over the world but the most famous brand in
1:05:26Britain is Auto Glass which you know if your windscreen gets broken by uh by damage or thief or whatever you get your
1:05:34windscreen replaced well this company started in South Africa and it made it made a huge amount of money expanded
1:05:40into construction and and all kinds of areas it was known as the PG group
1:05:47and Gary lubner later started was later in charge and CEO of bellron it’s
1:05:52International arm which acquired all these brand names all over the world or started them I’m not sure of all the details
1:05:58um including Auto Glass now PG group was and this was uh something
1:06:05that I was informed about by Andrew Feinstein former uh NC MP in South
1:06:12Africa you know be familiar with two lots of views of your podcast he told me that
1:06:18the love does the London family were very well known in South Africa as sanctions Busters
1:06:24during the South African apartheid regime and it was really interesting what I found out on it so and this is
1:06:30not just this is not a case of blaming the Sun for the sins of the fathers that’s that’s not that’s not what it was
1:06:36so the company PG group was owned and run by uh Ronnie lubner who was Gary
1:06:44lubbinger’s father and also his brother um Percy lubner so Gary lovener’s Uncle
1:06:50yes okay they’re relatives but that it was a family firm and Gary lubner went
1:06:57into the family business he became an accountant and through the 80s through this sanctions bursting period he was an
1:07:03accountant for the family later went on to run he went let’s went on to run the
1:07:09CEO of course later now in the post apart idea he’s claiming that he was the like a lot of white South Africans
1:07:16um he you know claims to have been against apartheid well the fact is that
1:07:21you know something like 90 of what South Africans voted in favor of Apartheid
1:07:28so you know these kinds of claims false claims of oh I was against it all along
1:07:33are quite common unfortunately but the fact is he he made his billions off a
1:07:39company that played an active role in supporting the South African apartheid regimes white supremacist regime so for
1:07:48example Bertie and Ronnie lubner they actually donated they personally donated to the ruling National Party
1:07:54um to the prime minister in the early 80s PW bota who let’s not forget was uh
1:08:01at one point in the 1940s was involved in the South Africa Nazi group and explicitly pro-hitler organization he
1:08:08later left it but he was a white supremacist his whole life there’s no doubt about that and he went he ran a
1:08:14very viciously um white supremacist racist regime um at the time when there was just a a
1:08:22really brutal uh regime in South Africa a a military dictatorship essentially
1:08:29claimed to be a democracy but it wasn’t um quite similar to apartheid Israel in
1:08:35in a lot of ways um and so this and also Ronnie and Bertie lubner
1:08:42they also offered 15 million dollars to start a Lobby group a pro apartheid
1:08:48Lobby group in Washington DC on behalf of the regime and this was all this all
1:08:53came out later only came out a few it only came about about five or six years ago in South Africa but very well
1:08:59reported in South Africa and it’s all there to see um and so it’s quite fitting in a way
1:09:05that this man would be funding the labor party in Britain of of today
1:09:11because the leader of the labor party today has made it clear that his only
1:09:16issue that he’s really passionate about is supporting a parasite Israel he has called himself a
1:09:24supporter of Zionism without qualification that was his pitch when he was running that was his pitch to the
1:09:30Israel Lobby when he was running for leader of the labor party and so it is Kia Stamo has made this
1:09:36um his kind of emblematic issue and Gary lubner was an interview with the the
1:09:41puff piece interview with the well it was basically a press release for Gary lubner in the financial times and he you
1:09:48know he was claiming in the article oh under corbyn there was all this anti-Semitism in the party and my
1:09:54youngest son was attacked with it and it’s great that kissed armor was thrown them all out to his credit so the point
1:10:00is now is to secure the labor party for the future for the corporate interest
1:10:06for the Israel Lobby um and to ensure that nothing like corbinism can ever ever happen again in
1:10:13the labor party and that the status quo is maintained indefinitely and that is a fantastic way to wrap us
1:10:21up today we are unfortunately out of time thank you so much ASA
1:10:27um I recommend everybody pick up the book now if you can what’s its latest position on Amazon oh yeah I was just
1:10:34checking the Amazon charts Amazon UK charts on the way over and it was at um number 400 and something so in the
1:10:41entire world Amazon UK so right you know it’s it’s it’s a modest
1:10:47position but it’s outselling at some other people and uh it’s currently outselling David
1:10:53Deal you know it’s a child position it can change no I
1:10:58don’t have the Institute it’s a small radical publisher I don’t have the institutional support I’ve had no mainstream media coverage and I think
1:11:04the book is doing well and you know I want to thank all everyone who’s bought it because there is a lot of Goodwill
1:11:09for the book and people want to read the book and they’re they’re glad to just really I think
1:11:14read what happened yeah you know people are still kind of in Shell Shock about
1:11:20what happened yeah it was so massive yeah and they’re glad to just kind of be Vindicated of yeah this did actually
1:11:25happen I’m not exactly exactly so this is all documented yeah so yeah
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