It is looking as if Brigitte Macron was in the Stanford Experiment, the famous prisoners/prison guard experiment, and that all the participants, “the random middle class students” were all Navy personnel. Their prison numbers all relate to navy postal addresses / navy bases in 1971. The person thought to be Macron, which tied to a French island called Clipperton Island in the Pacific. There is loads more as well, it was probably a MK Ultra experiment. Becoming Brigitte: MK Ultra And The French Gold Rush.
I just realised I posted this on my symbolism blog, not foxblog7 my transcript blog, but I will leave this here and post there as well.
[1] 2025 Sept 8 Becoming Brigitte: MK Ultra And The French Gold Rush. https://www.youtube.com/live/gtI9o5YroxQ
Shownotes
00:00 – Start.
01:11 – Brigitte’s beginnings and MK Ultra.
13:50 – The Stanford Prison experiment.
27:45 – Who was prisoner 2093?
41:04 – Meaning behind prisoner numbers.
59:57 – Comments
Transcript 1
All right, you guys. Well, never in a million years did I believe that this investigation would lead us to this moment. And I am not even referring to the lawsuit.
0:10I’m referring to something much bigger. Foremost, I should let you guys know that it was announced just 3 hours ago that the French government has collapsed. Oh,
0:20okay. Yeah, there it is. New York Times French government collapses again, deepening paralysis.
0:27But I don’t want you guys to get distracted because I think it is sort of a distraction a little bit. They don’t want you watching Becoming Breit season 2. I personally think
0:36Emanuel Mcronone wants out. No, instead they’re telling the French people take to the streets.
0:43I hope by now you guys realize that these decisions like who is going to be president and when those decisions are actually made in a boardroom. If you don’t understand that,
0:52then I hope you will by the end of this episode. So welcome back to becoming Brit 2.
1:13[Applause] [Music] A lot going on you guys. A lot going on. I want you to take me seriously when I say this. Okay,
1:19seriously. I’m not trying to be funny here. Breijit Mcronone does not walk right. She doesn’t walk right. There’s a lot that can be discerned from someone’s
1:28gate. And I want you guys in this moment to pay close attention to how she walks.
1:33Here is a clip of her walking out of a shopping store in Paris. Take
1:38a look here. This is slowed down for you. Just look at the the legs, the posture.
1:48It’s interesting. Okay. And of course to add to that the now infamous clip
1:54of Breijgit as a drama instructor and you can watch the way that she walks but more
2:01importantly the way that Breit sits. Take a look at this clip. And yes, it’s real.
2:16cookie. There’s something about the the manner that Breijg is sitting that you look at that as a woman and you go that’s just not the way that women sit, right? Uh
2:25we do not widpread in that manner. We we uh tend to understand that when you look at that image,
2:32you’re looking at somebody that is a dude. And but I’m more concerned in that moment of
2:38the way that she’s sort of wide walking right when you see her coming out of the store. Um I
2:44would say that that gate in particular is quite military because it’s difficult if you have been in the military for a long time to sort of shake that training. Now to remind you guys,
2:54Jean Michelle Trognau Breijit’s quote unquote brother has a military file that the government
2:59is refusing to release for whatever reason. It is a pretty long military tenure and this is when
3:06Jean Michelle Trognau sort of just disappears. You should also know that what has been confirmed is
3:13that he held the rank of sergeant in Germany. That’s really relative. He held the rank of
3:18sergeant in Germany when he was at the Spires Club and we can track him. Uh the most that we
3:25can do in terms of tracking Jean Michelle is in large part thanks to Xavier’s book. Um, to recap,
3:32I’m going to show you photos of John Michelle Trrogno through the years. Here he is in 1953, uh,
3:37in school in Amyan. We also have the 1954 photo of Jean Michichelle in school in Aman. And finally,
3:46we have that 1955 photo of him in school in Aman. Of course, the big photo, the big premiere was
3:54seeing him, which was very difficult for Xavier to get his hands on in 1963. At the age of 18,
4:00he is in engineering school. But Xavier Bousard reveals in his book that that period,
4:06that time that he was at engineering school was a bit complicated. I want you to think of that
4:12period of time as we would in America as a high school. It’s the simplest way to think about that time. So in 1963 at the age of 18, John Michelle should have been awarded his diploma. Instead,
4:25Xavier Busousard discovers that for whatever reason, despite being in that 1963 class photo,
4:31John Michelle Trognau hadn’t actually graduated and there were all sorts of oddities as as he
4:36was trying to get these files. I’m going to um read you this from his book. He wrote,
4:42quote, “The 20page document shows,” and that he’s referring to his school files, that Jean Michichel Trrognau, then aged 18, the age at which typically uh the diploma is awarded in France,
4:54had not attended school for the previous years, the previous three years. And he had no diploma,
5:00not even the BEPC, which is normally awarded at the end of the third year. Okay, so that’s weird.
5:08Where was Jean Michelle Trogno when he was 15, 16, 17? He also says that he had so many absences
5:14while he was at this school. Then we fast forward to 1967 and at the age of 23. We know that Jeia
5:20Michelle Trrognau is in Germany at that Spire Club. Again, I want you to also know that that
5:26is in the the Rhineland. Okay, that’s the area that caused a lot of drama during World War II,
5:31right? German Rhineland. We also know uh like I said earlier that he held this rank of sergeants
5:38but Xavier Bousard in his book becoming Breijgit is unequivocal about exactly who Jean Michelle
5:45Trrognau is. He wants you to know that Jean Michelle Trognau becomes Breijgit. He wrote
5:50this and I quote therefore we can conclude that Jean Michichelle Trognau has been living under
5:56the civil birth identity of his sister Rajit Trognau since at least 1986. Logically then
6:04Sebastian Laurance and Tiffan Ozier’s children are administratively his nephews. That’s remarkable
6:13that he wrote that in the book because Xavier Busousard was never sued for defamation. Why
6:19is that? Why hasn’t Xavier Bousard, if that is the wrong information, been sued for defamation? He is a French citizen. That would make the most sense. That is a clue, you guys. Okay.
6:30President Mcronone, who was panicking at the moment, was unable to really offer an explanation
6:35for this lawsuit in America. He said that it was because the story had become so big in America,
6:41they had to do something. The story had become so big in America that they had to do something.
6:48That, my friends, is another clue. I’ll tell you this, when you panic, you tend to make mistakes.
6:54Even before we had jumped into this series, the Mcron had already sent lawyers. They had already
7:00sent investigators to look into me. Emmanuel Mcronone flew to the United States to speak to
7:06Trump shortly thereafter. So, we have to ask ourselves, what is it in particular about my
7:12voice and my reach within America that has the Elise Palace so concerned? While tracing the
7:19life of Jean Michichelle Trogau, Xavier Bousard unwittingly, I think stumbled upon what is likely
7:26to lead us to the truth. Here was what he wrote in becoming Breijgit. He wrote quote or asked
7:34rather quote, “What did Jean Michelle Trogdo do between June of 1968 and 1973?” Although little is
7:44known about this period of his life, Breijgit has always claimed to have watched the 1969 American
7:52moonlanding on TV from the United States. Yeah, the answer is obvious if you’re paying attention.
8:02It’s that Jean Michelle Trrogno must have been here in America from 1968 to 1973. They are
8:08panicked because there is something here in the United States that we should have access to. The
8:14Mcronone very much needed the investigation into Breijit’s life and background to be contained to
8:21France, right? Because John Michelle Trrognau wasn’t in France during those years. Therefore,
8:26it is unlikely that a French journalist could have solved the mystery alone. Unfortunately for the
8:33Mcron, fate would have it that that French journalist Xavier Busousard teamed up with
8:39a very persistent Candace Owens. More panicking, more mistakes from the Elise Palace. The lawsuit
8:47filing in and of itself was a bad idea, but beyond that, it was sloppy. MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra,
8:55MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra. Said 18 times, dogs do not bark unless they
9:06perceive a threat. So I will quickly remind you that we caught a Jean Marie Trognau. I’m thinking
9:13this could maybe be Breijit’s father on a ship in 1961 coming from France, stopping in Canada
9:21and then arriving in Oakland, California. And it’s just our luck that that particular ship got caught
9:29up in a lawsuit from that same year which allowed us to know what sort of cargo it was carrying.
9:34Oddly, I had mentioned to you guys that it was an 8,000 pound magnet, and I asked off-handedly,
9:41″What do you do with an 8,000 pound magnet? That’s weird.” My husband instantly said, “That’s military grade.” Okay. Interesting. Also, uh, the person captaining that was a captain
9:54of that ship was a a man named Guy Schopllin. Okay. He was manning the ship and yet we could
10:01not locate photos uh of this individual beyond two pictures and one which is like his official
10:08filings as a captain. Looks like he’s a child. Here it is. That’s Guy Schopllin there in the
10:13corner. All we are able to determine about Guy Shopan is that he was born in 1910 and he died
10:20in 1994. Oh, okay. And then I kind of a little bit think he’s got the trogno face like the ears. But
10:27that would just be speculation. So let’s move on. What is not speculation is that in the 1960s MK
10:34Ultra was in full swing across California. And our government was pretty deranged, really deranged
10:41in what they were trying to do with that program. They were interested specifically, that’s just one
10:47facet of MK Ultra, in using magnets. I kid you not, to hack our brains. I wish I was kidding,
10:55honestly. But you should know that among the many projects that were using magnets, one
11:00was called Sub Project 119. Government wanted to see if they could alter our brain waves by using
11:09big magnets. Yeah, I’m I’m not kidding. This was the era of just deranged psychology. By the way,
11:14there was no era when psychology was not deranged. But this was extra special. They needed to see if
11:20they could hack and control our minds. And electromagnets were a massive piece of the MK Ultra MK Ultra experimentation agenda. That project in particular, the sub project 119 was
11:31led by two doctors at UCLA who realized that the brain that brains irradiate low frequencies with
11:40respective activities. So you’re they’re saying, “Oh, the brain’s got these frequencies going on.” And they’re wondering if they could then manipulate those brain waves electromagnetically.
11:51Stanford University similarly picked up research regarding electromagnets in the early 70s. um that
11:58is if you look throughout the Stanford yearbooks at that time they speak a lot about it and like I
12:03said I know this because I accessed those yearbook archives they’re very interesting the head of MK
12:08Ultra was Dr. Jolly West. We know this. And per Tom O’Neal’s book, Chaos, we know that Jolly West
12:14went to Stanford University in 1966. And what I am about to tell you about the Stanford University
12:22prison experiment is going to positively shock you. Because of course, you know me. I’m nosy. I
12:29had to send somebody there to access those files. And of course, I also had to contact one of the
12:37prisoners that was involved myself. But first, I want to tell you a little bit of background about
12:43the experiment. Okay. So, the reality is that the more dramatic stories pertaining to the Holocaust
12:51did not actually begin to manifest until decades after the event. In fact, even the stories about
12:58Dr. Mangallay. Uh, an Israeli historian, Ephraim Zarov, discovered that his image among former
13:04Awitz inmates who were interviewed right after the war was harmless. The angel of death who committed
13:12unspeakable tragedies evolved slowly over time. And in this evolution, regular people began to
13:18wonder, are we really to believe that everybody just jumped in and and and took place and took
13:24part in this evil? Are people just intrinsically evil that if you see somebody doing these terrible
13:29things, you’re going to jump in like all of these Nazis did this because you know, you got to justify the Nermberg trials. You’re killing everybody, right? And people are going to ask that
13:38question. Is is it possible that a person who has never harmed an individual in their entire life
13:45can radically transform into a monster? Is there a quiet monster that lives inside of all of us?
13:52Well, Philip Zimardo at Stanford University set out to prove that yeah, in the right environment,
13:58very quickly, people are going to do unspeakably evil things if everybody else is doing it. If management tells them, hey, carve out this person’s eye, they’re going to do it, okay? Almost
14:10instantly, by the way, without thought. They just do it because it lives in all of us. So, you you
14:15shouldn’t question any stories that you read. And also you should be forgiving and understanding of
14:21future militarygrade torture like what happens in Abu Grab. This is just what people do. They
14:28get sadistic. The Stanford prison experiment was funded by the US Office of Naval Research. And
14:34I’m going to let you hear Philip Zimardo in his own words here explain how it all came together. Take a listen. Our goal back in 1971 was to study the behavioral and psychological consequences of
14:46becoming a prisoner or prison guard. To do this, we decided to simulate a prison environment, both
14:52physically and mentally, and then observed the effects of this institution on all those within its walls. We used the basement of the psychology building to stage our little drama scheduled to
15:02run for two weeks. A card of small offices was converted into a functional prison environment.
15:08It was complete with three cells. There was a guard’s room, the warden’s office, my superintendent’s office, and a closet used if necessary for solitary confinement. We recruited
15:19the help of some prison experts to assist us with our prison design and construction. Foremost among
15:25them was Carlo Prescott, an ex-convict recently released from serving 17 years behind bars in San
15:32Quentin and Solidad prisons. We placed an ad in the city newspaper asking for participants
15:37for an experiment studying the psychological effects of prison life. They would be paid $15 a day. Over 70 people applied. They were given diagnostic interviews and psychological tests to
15:49weed out all those with any signs of psychological abnormality, medical disabilities, or history of
15:55crime or drug use. 24 were selected. They were all healthy, normal, intelligent, middle-class
16:02males from colleges throughout the United States. And with a flip of the coin, each was randomly
16:08assigned to play the role of prisoner or guard. It was only by chance that someone was chosen as
16:13prisoner or guard. By chance. Middle class. Okay. Zimardo himself calls the experiment a drama. So,
16:24let’s meet the prisoners. Let’s just meet the cast because I think it’s kind of relevant. It’s going to be very relevant. Pay attention. Um, let’s go through these. First, we have Doug Corp. He Doug
16:35graduated from Stanford in 1989. His father was a Freemason, member of the Sons and Retirement
16:40Society. Um, we can also go to the next guy. Who do we have? Klay Ramsay. Klay Ramsey was
16:49in the Marines and he worked on a merchant ship. I was able, by the way, you cannot find this in
16:54Zimardo’s book or Latexier’s book. I discovered these facts about these individuals. Let’s go to
17:00the next slide. Richard Yako, prisoner 1037. His father was Samuel Yako. Samuel Yako was in the US
17:06Navy. He worked for NASA as an engineer. Richard produced and directed commercials for NASA. Okay,
17:13let’s go to the next slide. Glenn Gee graduated from Stanford University. He’s prisoner number
17:183401. He had a degree in chemical engineering a year before the experiment. He he received
17:25that degree from Stanford University. Let’s go to the next one. We’ve got Paul Baron. He worked for
17:30Hallebertton after graduating with a master’s and a PhD from Stanford University. Uh his father we
17:37wrote might be Paul Bon, the electrical engineer who worked for the Rand Corporation. Next, Stuart
17:44Levvin uh worked for Hallebertton Energy Services and Standard Oil as a geoysicist. Graduated with
17:51a degree from Stanford, a master of science from Stanford. We’ve got Jim Rooney, 4325. His father
17:58is Captain James Rooney of the Mafett Naval Air Base, also commander of the ship that recovered
18:05the Apollo 8. His father was also an aeronautical engineer who was the director of science and
18:12engineering at the Naval Academy. Okay, we’ve got Jerry Shu, who is prisoner 5486. We find
18:20out from Jerry Shu that he spent time in Canada before the experiment. Okay, he’s originally
18:25from Pennsylvania and he’s a college dropout. Lastly, though, of course, is the prisoner that
18:33we’re concerned with here is Thomas Williams. Thomas Williams was homeless. We are told from
18:39Latexier in his book that he was a um an undergrad who was living in his car before the experiment
18:47and that’s all we know. So So I was interested. Okay. I was interested. We were also informed
18:53that one of these prisoners was actually a mole, meaning that the prisoner was working under Philip
19:00Zimardo and really just acting. this prisoner was just an actor. I felt in my gut that that
19:07prisoner could potentially be the Jean Michelle Trognell lookalike, prisoner 2093. But we really
19:13only had one clue to go off of about that mole, which was given to us via one of the prisoners
19:20uh named Jonathan Mark, I mean, one of the guards, pardon, named Jonathan Mark, who did a Reddit feed
19:26in 2015. So that’s 10 years ago. He jumps onto Reddit and says, “I was a prisoner in the Stanford
19:33I mean a guard in the Stamford experiment. Ask me anything.” And this is what he wrote in that
19:39Reddit post. He lets us know that the prisoner who was removed from the experiment for a breakdown,
19:46that’s Doug Corpy, was the younger brother of one of my friends. But I never had any subsequent
19:52contact with him. When he was removed, he was replaced by a new prisoner who was in fact a grad
19:59student working with Zimardo who was placed as a mole to find out what the student prisoners were
20:06up to. This new prisoner/grad student was also an acquaintance of mine. So, while I didn’t out him,
20:15and I’m sure none of us were supposed to know that he was a part of the research team, uh, nor was his background ever published, to my knowledge, I knew who he was. Okay. Now,
20:27I thought that that was really interesting just in general, first and foremost, we’re going to get to the timing that he posted this in 2015. He says very clearly there that the mole was an
20:37acquaintance of his and also a graduate student. Mcronone gets elected in 2017. Tibo Latexier,
20:45a business management major with a background in business management, randomly publishes a
20:50book the following March about the experiment. And then some French girl, Juliet Eisner, then does a
20:58documentary about the experiment. My instinct told me that the sudden very French interest in this
21:05experiment was not actually random. And I can tell you that my instincts have been proven correct.
21:12You know, with Texier’s book, he asserts that the mole was a graduate student. He said this student
21:18was receiving his masters at Stanford University. Uh so he agrees with Jonathan Mark when he says
21:24that in the Reddit fe the Reddit feed except he is clear. Latexier in his book he names the mole. He
21:30said it was a student named David Gorchoff. Came across the first mistake. The problem is that
21:38a simple check let me know that David Gorchoff never received or pursued his masters at Stamford
21:44University. Factually, David Gorchoff was an undergraduate student who happened to have a class
21:51with Zimardo. So that felt to me like when Xavier says you got to tell kind of little lies to get
21:58people confused. I felt like I needed to confirm who the mole was and to confirm why Latexier put
22:05in his book that it was David Gorchoff. It was of course like I said prisoner 2093 who is referred
22:12to as the serge the sergeant in particular that I was interested in. One because obviously my eyes
22:19he looks like Jean Michelle Truckno. Uh, also he if it is John Michelle Truckno, he would fit the
22:25description of a graduate student that might have been working with Zimardo. Zimardo is referring to
22:31this as having a degree of acting that’s involved. And also because when I access the footage that’s
22:39publicly available of that prisoner 2093, I am able to detect an unamerican accent. Listen very
22:48closely to this. Okay, this is a person when I hear it that knows how to speak English but is
22:55struggling with their Rs, right? You got to bring in somebody like Hugh Larry, you know, the show house. He I mean, I had no idea that that man was not American. It shocked me to my core.
23:05But most people when you learn a language, especially when you learn a language like, you know, English, uh you might struggle a bit with the Rs, maybe holding them on a little bit
23:14too long. So, I’m going to show you a clip of the Sarge, prisoner 2093, and I want you
23:23to pay attention to the speech pattern. If we wound you today, would you be willing to give
23:30up the day that you’ve earned so far? I feel the only answer to that question would have to be no,
23:36sir. Why? Uh my reasoning behind it would be that were I to give up the pay thus far, it would be
23:49an even greater loss of 5 days of my life than it would have been otherwise. I feel that in other
23:57words to pay compensates for the time. It doesn’t sir. Not I began to realize more and more during
24:03the five days that having the time to spend and study um to advance my studies at Stanford
24:12University could not be compensated by $15 a day. Okay. I said, “I feel like someone’s trying to
24:22put on an American accent.” And it’s about to get weirder as we, like I said, of course, had
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27:47Okay, remember it should have been very easy for me to debunk myself on the point of prisoner 2093.
27:55Was he the actual mole? Was this prisoner the graduate student that was working under Zimardo?
28:01So I decided we just have to learn everything that there is to learn about Sarge, you know, prisoner 2093, the Sarge. Surprisingly, Philip Zimardo didn’t actually publish a book about
28:13the Stamford experiment until 2007. He releases in 2007 the book entitled The Lucifer Effect of
28:19all things. And I was wondering why that was. Again, as a part of investigation, you do have to speculate. You have to think, right? You you have the permission to think. And I’m going,
28:28is there anything going on in 2007 that made this relevant? No. Okay. I download the book. If my
28:35theory holds that this could be Breijgit, then I’m wondering is it possible that something happened
28:41to Breijgit and or Emanuel in 2007 that would have required this kind of going back rewriting history
28:48if you will. And as it turns out, that just happens to be the year that Breijgit and Emanuel Mcronone get married. They got married in 2007. Now again, I’m just thinking out loud here. In
28:59Zimardo’s book, he speaks about the Sarge quite a bit. The description of him is that he obeyed all
29:05orders in a way that was almost twisted that made people uncomfortable. More on that later. Now,
29:12some things again that could have easily debunked my theory is just the physical description that we
29:18can find uh that’s available regarding prisoner 2093. What is his height? Well, in terms of
29:23physicalities, the Sarge was on the short side for a male. The Sarge was just 58. Okay. Breijgit
29:33Mcronone today is just above 56 and we know that males shrink one to three inches between the ages
29:40of 30 and 70. We’re all going downwards. Okay. So this is still a very very much possibility.
29:48So I then decide like I told you someone’s got to go access the files. Someone’s must immediately go to Stanford University. I will put you on a plane. And lo and behold we made that happen.
29:59And there were just more unusual things when it came to prisoner 2093. First and foremost, all of
30:07the prisoners involved in the experiment and all of the guards were made to sign a media release. Obviously, you have to sign a media release form. Their signatures while they were signing this
30:16obviously were to be witnessed by a third party. All of the prisoners had a third-party witness,
30:24meaning someone other than Philip Zimardo, who signed off on their media releases, with
30:29the exceptions of Glenn Gee and the Sarge, known as Tom Williams, both in the Lucifer effect. His
30:37name is uh Thomas Thompson and then he’s Thomas Williams in Latexier’s book. And the signature
30:43reads Thomas C. Williams, but the only person that witnessed that signing is dead and would have been
30:49a conflict of interest for a witness signature. It’s Philip Zimardo himself. Okay. Then there
30:55is a box at Stanford University which holds the prison uniforms. Curiously, prisoner 2093 Smok is
31:04missing. There’s a small off chance that it could be in Ohio. We have somebody going to access that
31:11now. They’re being very cy about what they have and what they don’t have. But suffice it to say, the majority is all supposed to be at Stanford and it’s not there. Maybe because that would have held
31:20DNA of some description if you’re sweating in the prison. Right. Also in the archives at Stamford is
31:26a list of all of the addresses that correspond to the prisoners because remember they had to
31:33pick up the prisoners for their fake arrest. These prisoners had to be fake arrested so that they could so they therefore arranged where the pickups would take place. Prisoner 2093 is
31:44the only prisoner whose address is listed as the first floor of the undergraduate library. The man
31:53has no address. Oh, that’s right. He’s living in his car. No way to trace them that way. You can always go back with address records and look through things. That’s a dead avenue. On days four
32:04and five of the experiment, Philip Zimardo allowed the parents to visit their sons, and there exists
32:13in the archives a typed up list of those parents who visited. Zimardo curiously remarks that he’s
32:21not sure who it is that visited prisoner 2093. He writes, “Maybe his dad.” Okay, let’s take a look
32:31at the individual because this exists. There’s a tape of this who visits prisoner 2093. This is the
32:37only footage that’s been made available of from visiting day regarding prisoner 2093. Take a look.
32:48Now, there’s no audio on this, but I don’t think that that individual looks like they could be a
32:56dad. This person actually looks like he’s maybe the same age, exact same age as our 2093. Okay.
33:04There’s also a digital archive, a typed up sheet. Obviously, must have been typed up decades after.
33:10Um, where they record that 2093 was visited by someone named Warren Feras. Okay. Warren,
33:19last name spelled Fur A. We have no idea who that individual may be. That doesn’t even sound like
33:28a real last name. I have looked through online available records. I can’t find even one person
33:33with the last name F U R A S to begin tracing. So, that’s rather mysterious. And of course,
33:39the biggest thing is going through these media releases, which included, like I said, all of the guards and all the prisoners. There is no David Gorchoff who has signed a release. But I
33:51thought David was the mole. Surely you would have had David sign one of these media releases if he was your mole. It’s been released to the media this footage. So at the same time I had Skyler,
34:04my producer, reach out to Jonathan Mark, the guard who did the Reddit AMA and he said he
34:11knew them all. So the easiest way to debunk myself because truly I wanted to quickly debunk this was to just have him say, “Yeah, this is David Gorchop. I know him.” Miraculously,
34:20we were able to get in touch with Jonathan Marx. He told us that he was happy to jump on the phone with me the next morning, even though he was in Asia. So, it was nighttime,
34:30our time. We got on the phone with him at about 10 p.m. at night. And the conversation, I mean,
34:35Jonathan Mark was detailed. He was descriptive. He spoke about all of the flaws in Zimardo’s
34:41experiment. He told me that he thought Latexier did a really good book. And I told him like, “No,
34:46I feel like Latexier kind of left out the part where it was one big giant conflict of interest
34:53because so many of these people had ties to the military and the military funded the experiment.”
35:00Um, then I asked him about that mole. I asked him about that Reddit AMA that he had done just 10
35:06years ago and got a little bit iffy. He told us that the mole was he thought married to a
35:12girl that a friend of his in high school used to date, but then he let us know he doesn’t really
35:19remember much about the mole. He doesn’t even really remember his name. Maybe it’s maybe it’s
35:24David Gorchoff. He’s not sure. I didn’t feel great about that part. So then I started asking myself,
35:31why did Jonathan Mark, the guard, suddenly do that AMA in March of 2015? That’s nearly 45 years after
35:40the initial experiment. This guy jumps and he does an AMA on Reddit to talk about this experiment.
35:46Ask the question again, thinking out loud, was there anything going on in Emanuel Mcronone and Breijit’s life that might have been significant? And I kid you not, in March of 2015, the exact
35:58week that he did this AMA Reddit feed is exactly when Emanuel Mcronone is first introduced to the
36:05French public. You can see this on his Wikipedia page. I can’t make this up. It says Mcronone
36:12first became known to the French public after his appearance on the French TV program Deu de Ax in
36:19March of 2015. Okay, that’s pretty particular. I thought that’s a little bit weird. Let’s just keep
36:28going. We got to we got to try again. And I tell Skylar, reach out to him this time with a very
36:34clear picture of David Gorchoff. I’ve now hunted that down. This person he described 10 years ago
36:40as an acquaintance. He was supposedly this guy is supposedly the mole. Ask him point blank whether
36:48or not this man this photo of this man was the mole that he remembers in the experiment.
36:54He tells us he doesn’t know. He doesn’t remember now. So that’s a that’s a dead end. At this point,
37:03I wanted to look more closely at the language of prisoner 2000 of prisoner 2093 because even if you
37:10do master a language, it’s difficult to master its delivery. Do you guys know what I’m saying? Like
37:16there’s slang, there’s dialect, there’s a certain swag and delivery when you speak a language. So,
37:21you can always kind of spot a foreigner. They’re almost a bit too proper is one thing. Obviously, when you learn a language, you learn it properly. You don’t learn slang. And so we just decide to
37:30take a look at the transcript. So we can’t hear him say this, but there’s a transcript that’s
37:35available on the Stanford archive website of the Sarge. It’s his exit interview, and he’s
37:42asked about his behavior about him obeying every single order. He did not. He did everything that
37:48he was supposed to do. He says, you know, he kind of loved the orders and following along. And we’re going to read from that transcript. Okay, this is what um prisoner 2093 said. Let’s pull up the
38:01transcript. I suppose you could say I was playing my best role because I believe that life is really
38:10it depends upon what role you play as to how you act in almost any situation that I’ve been in.
38:18I can describe it in terms of the role that I am playing. And being in prison, having to follow all
38:24these rules, it was one of the first opportunities I’ve had to play the basic role or at least as far
38:31as I can understand the basic role on which the other roles are built. And I can’t describe self
38:40in terms of anything but role. I believe that the most important thing is results and not what the
38:48attempts are. person comes back to them and says, “I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.” 2093
38:55continues, “I mean I would change to most any role, not most any role that can be built upon
39:02the basic role in order to accomplish what the basic role would want to accomplish but could
39:08not accomplish by itself.” Oh, I see. Okay. And then they go on and ask uh the person asks him,
39:18″Okay, I see. Suppose the random selection had ended up with you being a guard instead. How do you think you could have gotten into the role of a guard? 2093 says, “I think that I could have
39:27gotten into the role of a good guard. I think I could have gotten into the role to where I would be satisfied by someone else’s standards. I don’t know. That’s just weird. Can we just all
39:41acknowledge that that’s weird? All this roll talk saying the self what? That’s not how Americans
39:48speak. Okay. That’s certainly not you. You tell me this is some person that was just in his car
39:54and was a student and and that we’re talking about everyone’s on LSD because the CIA is just putting
39:59it all over California. Hippie generation. Yeah, man. That’s cool. And this guy just pops in and is
40:06talking about the role of self and this and all like it’s way too proper. It’s also weird. It’s
40:13like detached from their self and saying that they could fill any role. It feels like they’re laughing at us a little bit there. You can compare that, by the way, to other transcripts. And the
40:22other people that are being interviewed sound like Americans. They sound casual. This is Jim Rooney,
40:28prisoner number 4325. And he’s asked about whether or not the experience has been hard on him. He
40:33says, “It’s a lot stricter. It’s a lot Well, it’s my vision of being a prisoner, something you see in the movies as someone who lies around in a cell. This takes a little bit more than that. You
40:42have to give up just about all individuality.” Um, I’m doing exactly what the guards tell me to do,
40:48just being pretty obedient. And then the person’s going back and forth and you can just see it’s when you go through the transcripts, everyone else is so much more casual. So now I’m
40:56locked in. Something is not right with prisoner 2093. I don’t know. No, but I know, you know,
41:04I’m not kidding when I say that I even prayed on it because I felt spiritually something very
41:10evil was going on. And all of this, I want to be clear, is God’s timing, right? Because naturally,
41:15right now, what’s coinciding with this is that we are learning and reading about Sigman Freud in my book club. We are reading the assault on truth. We are reading about Sigman Freud, the rapid abuse of
41:27children that was happening in Paris. Um, how he gaslit these children. He was working under
41:32Charco in Paris. When he then flips the script and says, “No, no, the children are attracted to their parents.” It was incestuous abuse. Um, and in the next book that we’re going to read,
41:45we’re going to learn my book club about Sigman Freud again, but we’re going to learn about the fact that he was a cabalist. He owned a Zohar. If there is anything to know about Cabalists,
41:57it’s that the numbers matter deeply to them. Numerology is important. So, I say to myself, the
42:05numbers of the prisoners, they cannot be random. They like they are random but they can’t be
42:11random. They have to hold some sort of a meaning. They’re all over the place, right? Some of them are three digits. Some of them are four digits. There’s no flow. Why would somebody do this more
42:20than anything else? Just difficult for you if you’re controlling this experiment. It’s difficult to keep track of all of these numbers. Wouldn’t you just want to make somebody like three, four,
42:28five, whatever it is. And then it hits me. Everything about this experiment is military.
42:37These numbers must be military. They must hold military significance. And lo and behold,
42:43I’m so ignorant about the military. I didn’t know people that are in the Navy. How do you send a letter to someone that is on a military base? What does it mean when you put a zip code
42:54and then you have to attach to it a unit number? If you’re going to send mail, it corresponds to
43:00military bases. And lo and behold, the prisoner numbers just so happened to correspond to 1971
43:08military bases. And I’m going to go through those for you guys right now. Doug Corp was
43:17uh 8612. That is the number for that was assigned for the Naval Weapons Station in Long Beach,
43:24California. And it is incredible that that one took me a while to hack because apparently when
43:30it’s a medical center, a medical facility, they give them what’s known as DMIS numbers. But again,
43:36Long Beach, California. We then have Clay Ramsay 416 correlates to the engineering team in Vietnam.
43:43The Naval CB team 416. I found their yearbook. I’m going through it and I suspect that I’m going
43:50to find a familiar face. 1037. I told you that Richard Yako’s father was in the Navy. I told
43:58you he was an engineer. That corresponds to the USS Bronstein. Uh the commander was Stanley Thomas
44:04Counts who ran engineering at Hughes aircraft ship hole 1037. Glenn Gee that 3401 corresponds
44:16to the USS Darter. Um, Darter in 1971 was moved to San Diego in that ex very year to support
44:26seventh fleet operations. Uh, Paul Baron 5704 that is the armed forces of Europe, Canada, uh,
44:36the post code 5074 and the Middle East. Uh, Wit Hubble. We’ve been having trouble finding anything
44:42about WhitHubble, so we are unsure about 7258. Somebody out there will be able to let me know. We
44:48have had trouble even establishing who his family is, if he’s connected to the Hubble telescope. So, we just have nothing but question marks when it comes to Whit Hubble. Steuart Levin 819 that was
45:00the Naval Post in 1971 in Spain. They sent out the MC4 engineering team. They arrived there in July
45:08of 1971. Jim Rooney 4325. Um, that corresponds to the Moffett Air, I’m sorry, Camp Pendleton and uh,
45:21am I reading that right? Moffett Federal Airfield. Yeah, Mountain View, California. Sorry. Where the Army Reserves 7th Psychological Operations Group is based. We also have Jerry Shu. Jerry Shu. We
45:35have Camp Pendleton, CA. That is, of course, also a naval base in California. And then last but not
45:46least, and you guys don’t have to show this next one because I want to speak through this. Tom Williams prisoner 2093. Is this a naval base? I get a hit, guys. I do get a hit of a naval base
46:00that it corresponds to, the naval unit rather, that it corresponds to. And it is the only naval
46:05unit on the list that is not Americanowned. And it just so happens to be Frenchowned. Clipperton
46:16Island. Who knew a naval base on Clipperton Island? First thing I’m thinking is what the heck
46:23is Clipperton Island? I’m wondering if it’s me. My husband then says he’s never heard of Clipperton
46:30Island. And that’s crazy because my husband is the king of geography. Xavier Busousard says he’s
46:36never heard of Clipperton Island. So, let me show you this island that apparently not many people
46:43have heard of that has a had a military naval base and presence. That is a French island. Check this
46:51out on the map. Yep. Let’s go in here. Clipperton. What the heck goes on at Clipperton Island?
47:03It’s incredible. Yeah, it is the I believe it said the only French island in the um upper Pacific.
47:13I think that’s correct. You can fact check me on that. So, I’m wondering what goes on on Clipperton Island. Nobody knows. Okay. It’s like people are asking questions. The most you can find really is
47:24that it’s got a pretty gory history. I think even on that link that you said that you just had up, it says that there’s a lot of weird stuff that happens there. It’s got folklore. I’m wondering
47:33what kind of folklore why is France what what’s France doing on Clipper Island. And now I’m
47:39starting to feel real sure that prisoner 2093 is suspicious. So Skyler says, “Let’s just message
47:49Jonathan Marks. He’s being open and communicative. Uh let’s just ask him flat out about prisoner
47:542093.” And of course we should have done that from the beginning. Um the Sarge was a very big deal
48:00per Zimardo’s book. All of the inmates allegedly hated him. They gave him that nickname, the Sarge,
48:05because he was so militant. Skyler texts Jonathan Mark, and he tells him the truth. Hey, we’ve gone
48:11through the Stanford files. We’re a bit struck by the fact that there’s no information that allows
48:17us to look further into prisoner 2093. His name, Thomas C. Williams. Can you can you help us out?
48:24Like, who is this guy? Kid you not when I say that. comes back with a response and he says,
48:30quote, “I have no recollection of him and wasn’t even aware of his existence.” End quote.
48:42Shut down. Shut down. Oh, I’m sorry. You were not aware of his existence. There was only
48:49nine prisoners that were involved in this. You’ve been you you’ve been speaking about this from the
48:54very beginning. You are in magazines. You were involved in documentaries. You were involved in the recent documentary that was involved that that was about this on Hulu. You’re telling me
49:03now all of a sudden this prisoner who Zimardo has featured prominently in his book. You don’t remember. You know nothing about this guy. You told us that you read Latexier’s book that you
49:13read Zimardo’s book. They talk about the Sarge. What do you mean you don’t know he existed? That’s pretty strong. I know he exists. You don’t know that he exists. Skyler goes back a little bit of
49:21details. This is the Sarge. You know Thomas? Don’t you know him? He says, “Not really. Nothing. Shut
49:32it down.” Okay. All right. We’re on to something here. It’s uh prisoner 2093 that’s being protected
49:40to say the least. Okay. The last piece of this that I had to solve for though was Zimardo’s lie.
49:47But the biggest piece of the lie that he tells where he says these were all middle class was when we realized as I told you guys in last Thursday’s episode that one of the guards
49:57Chuck Burton was a Rothschild descendant. Roth middle class kids. No Chucky Burton granddad’s
50:06running Sears. You’re the herstat family. Like hurtstat like the bank. What are we doing here?
50:12Feels kind of weird that you’re pretending to be a poor kid that was backpacking and needed 15 bucks. And then now if if I’m correct and this is Jean Michelle Trugno then that would mean that
50:23at least two Roth’s child agents you could say maybe were there connections connected to the
50:30Rothschilds maybe maybe a more appropriate way to say that Chuck Burton and John Michelle. No. Why?
50:37What is it about the Rothschilds that would have put these individuals here? Historically speaking,
50:43and I’m going on gut here. I’m thinking to myself, the Rothschilds are really only known to care about one thing. I mean, this is a family that’s been around for generations,
50:50but when we’re talking about gold, the Rothschilds come up, you know, just historically speaking. I
50:57know today that’s considered anti-semitism, but it’s just a fact. you know, they’re known
51:03to care about banking. It’s a banking dynasty, right? And then I think to myself, okay, but
51:08obviously nothing was going on in 1971 pertaining to gold, you guys. You guys, this is crazy wrong.
51:23Major stuff was going on. Okay. So, first and foremost, you should know that from 1959 to 69,
51:30the president of France was Charles de Gaulle. Okay. He was Charles de Gaulle. And what happened
51:36was Charles de Gaulle got a little bit MAGA in the end because the conversation of global
51:44globalizing the Federal Reserve system was coming up. America had already domestically converted
51:50to the fiat system. Okay? So, it used to be that your dollar was backed by gold and then they said,
51:57″You know what? We’re doing away with that. We’re kind of moving to a debt society. The government’s going to kind of make the decisions, lol, about what actually exists.” America had already moved
52:05away from that domestically. But in 1971, Richard Nixon is in is is president, right? And they’re
52:13talking about like lo and behold, hey, we’re going to do this thing internationally. Like, we are
52:19like we’re going all fiat. we’re just going to global globalize this uh Federal Reserve system,
52:25right? Charles de Gaul was anti- this. He didn’t like this at all. And he starts saying he’s not
52:30he’s not going to do this. And so, lo and behold, what happens is effectively a color revolution.
52:36People start protesting in the streets in France and says he’s got to just step down. It’s got to be over. Charles de Gaulle gets overthrown. Get out of here, you MAGA guy. talking about concerns
52:47about French citizens making sure they didn’t become slaves to debt. You got to go and in his
52:53place gets installed George Pompadoo. Okay, George Pompadoo becomes the president of France. He was
52:59be he was uh initially the prime minister. He now becomes the president. And in 1971,
53:08the very year of the Stanford experiment, guess what France did? France repatriated
53:16all of their gold from America. They said, “Give us our gold back. We want all of our gold.” And
53:23this um military effort, obviously, the military had to transfer this literal gold from America.
53:32Uh, it has never to this day been revealed what naval ships were involved in moving this gold in
53:411971 from America back to presumably to France. I I don’t know if it went to France. Nobody knows.
53:48There’s no answer to where all of this gold went. I don’t know. But it would make sense
53:56that maybe this could be a reason that if you’re the Rothschild and you’re concerned with banking,
54:02you would want to make sure that family members and people that were very close to you were involved in this. So I am seized. I am seized. I must know what goes on. Anything. If you guys know
54:19anything about what goes on on Clipperton Island, you must email tips at candace Owens.com because
54:30I’m on to this. If you guys know anything about prisoner 2093, the very mysterious Tom Williams,
54:39uh you must email tips at candace.com to let you guys know. We have already gone through the files
54:46that are public and available um on the Stamford website. We are we know I know that we are close
54:54here and the implications as I begin to look at what was going on and this CB team and what
55:01these engineers were sent out to do in Vietnam and what another other teams that were involved
55:08in Korea. The implications here are quite severe. We’re talking about the Federal Reserve. You want
55:17to get unal alive real quick as a president in America, you start saying, “Bring back the gold
55:23standard.” No, no, no, no, no. We will enslave the world with debts. That is the purpose of the
55:30Federal Reserve. So, I’m on to you, prisoner 2093. Like I said, the wonderful thing about
55:37the stupidity of this lawsuit is that it will allow for us to subpoena this information. I’m
55:45sending you guys down a lot of rabbit holes, but certainly any information about Guy Shopan. Um,
55:52also information about where that moniker Thomas C. Williams could have come from. Does it perhaps
55:57correlate to the military? I think I saw that there was somebody in the military named Thomas Carol Williams. Um maybe people that can search in the National Archives we can prod the narrative
56:08further about Clipperton Island. I would be very grateful. tips at candanace oowens.com because
56:14we are essentially right now the decentralized um intelligence agency. That’s why I’m wearing
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56:26lot of this because of you guys. Last thing that I want you guys to let me know, again, we are having a lot of trouble uh identifying this wit Hubble. Um what those his number could have
56:36corresponded to. If you know anything, feel free to email tips at candacewowens.com. All right,
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1:00:00are my military men in the chat? Okay, where where are my military guys right now? I’m telling you,
1:00:07you would have cracked things a lot faster than me. You’re gonna give me even more details about units post code 71. I need my military guys ASAP. ASAP. Cuz something funny happened. I read Chaos
1:00:20again. God thing that I read that book. My friend sent it to me, my friend Paula. I read it. I’m learning about MK Ultra. I’m learning that it corresponds to torturing people in Vietnam. Like
1:00:30we were just like literally we’re just torturing in sadistic experimentation. And it’s all leading
1:00:36to this moment. It’s all leading to this moment. Tropic writes, I wish true justice will be seen.
1:00:44Me as well very much. Also, uh, Tropic writes, “All experiments belong to the military. Good
1:00:49and bad. It’s all about the military.” Yeah, I am thinking that we do exist under the military.
1:00:55That’s why I even noticed on some of my episodes there are like military bots literally people
1:01:00whose jobs it is in the military to dissuade Americans from watching certain content. You
1:01:06we saw a lot of that uh when Israel wanted to go after Iran. You saw suddenly this increase
1:01:12in bots. It was so botted. Marbley writes, “Is the CIA shirt a case of the truth hidden
1:01:17in plain sight? We need to ask these questions.” Um, it’s maybe you can’t see it, but it’s our,
1:01:23you know, how we say that we are the new CIA, the Kansas intelligence agency. No, that wasn’t me um saying I was in the CIA. It was me saying that we are the decentralized intelligent agency. And
1:01:33we dropped this line because everybody was like, “We need a hat.” So, you can actually go get that. It’s available on our website. We have new merch. It’s obviously tongue and cheek. Um,
1:01:43if I’m in the CIA, man, I don’t know what their aim is. That would be absolutely crazy.
1:01:48Um Jay Nocal writes, “It takes a lot of balls to be the first lady of France.” Liam Momberg writes,
1:01:55″Love and light from South Africa. We are with you.” Jonathan Wernern writes, “And and thank you,
1:02:01by the way. I love South Africa. A lot of stuff, a lot of funny business going on there and a lot of funny business that happened there.” Jonathan Wernern writes, “Hey Candace, keep spreading the
1:02:09truth. Have you seen the new trailer for the biblical horror movie The Carpenter Son? I would love your thoughts on it.” I have not seen the trailer. I don’t watch movies anymore. Um,
1:02:18I just kind of read books. I’m just fascinated with learning real history because I think that
1:02:23truth is kind of I mean what what actually has happened. The events of our world is obviously as
1:02:29the expression goes way stranger in fiction than fiction. Sparky writes, “Don’t make too much about
1:02:36the 800 lb electromagnet 8,000lb electromagnet until more is known about it. They’re commonly used in cranes in scrap metal yards. That’s probably what it’s for. Don’t give Breit and
1:02:45Co. ammo. Oh no, there’s more. There is more about that particular ship and what it was involved in, but thank you for your commentary. I can only give you guys so much in one episode,
1:02:53but uh that’s not the only lawsuit that it was involved in and of course where it was going in California and what time it was going there. Brian Schwarz writes, “The basic role may be
1:03:02a brainwashing model for the rest of the prisoners perhaps.” Yeah, it’s very strange. The interviews
1:03:08that you watch with that prisoner, what’s made available, they’re they’re weird. They’re just
1:03:14very, very weird and it feels like theater. Mary Everett writes, “I went through withdrawals when
1:03:19you were gone. Don’t do that to us again. You get no sick days.” Okay, fine. Fair. I got it. Uh,
1:03:25Adventure Fun Times writes, “Haggger says in his book that in the 1770s, Freemasonry was
1:03:31used to ferment revolution, not to practice the occult, and that some factions of Freemasonry were
1:03:36upset with other factions because many were not practicing the occult. Mcronone’s close friends
1:03:42are pedophiles. Uh George Washington’s close friends were devout Catholics and Protestants.
1:03:47We should really talk about American history. Time to join um like I that’s something we everything
1:03:54you think you know about American history is wrong except for the fact that yeah, it was a Freemason race and the wrong Freemasons won is what I’ll say. Alaska dog lady writes, “Cradle Catholic who
1:04:05left the faith for ages, returned as a Protestant, but I’ve gone back to mass and the Holy Spirit led me to enroll my kids in OCIC today. Celebrate with me.” That is absolutely amazing. Um, and let me
1:04:18tell you guys, that is the one resource that they are most interested in. It is our children. Uh,
1:04:23it is incumbent upon us to guard our children, mind, body, and soul. Uh, not kidding. That is
1:04:30there is it’s so obvious. We now live in what I would describe a post Epstein world, okay?
1:04:36Where they’re just masked down right now. They are masked down in this moment. They are trying to lay
1:04:41on the Freudian strategy of gaslighting us as they abuse us. Thick, the media is trying to make us
1:04:48think we’re crazy. Why are you paying attent like nope, you guys have all gone mask down. Of course,
1:04:54by the way, uh I was telling you guys that there’s this show that was very popular in America.
1:05:00It is very popular, White Lotus. And in this last season of White Lotus, there was unnecessarily
1:05:06uh incest and people just turned it off and didn’t want to watch it. And then it turns out that there
1:05:12was this K-pop, very popular K-pop singer that was in that season. She did not take part in the
1:05:18uh incest scene, but she had never before acted uh and she was put into this particular season,
1:05:24the incest season, so to speak. Well, it turns out they believe she got this role because she is
1:05:30dating Bernard Arno, who we know is in the orbit of the Mcron and Breijit Mcronone herself gave
1:05:38that K-pop singer an award. And beyond that, they have just announced that the new season of White
1:05:44Lotus is going to be filmed in Paris the next season. So, let’s just I know there’s just so much
1:05:51happening right now. would just go I don’t know France but perhaps the government collapsing is
1:05:59um what needed to happen because I don’t know what is in the LA palace uh but it ain’t it is not a
1:06:06woman named uh Breijit Mcron it is not a woman by any stretch of the imagination and this person is
1:06:12quite evil quite sinister the things this person I believe has always been involved in so we’re going to keep proddding the narrative on the Stanford prison experiment send us everything you have if
1:06:22you want to support our decentralized intelligence agency. Send us the tips to tips@canniswowens.com.
1:06:28Buy yourself a hat. The decentralized intelligence agency is all over the world. Okay? There’s no way
1:06:34to stop us. We’re we’re just all being awakened to how evil, how sick, and how sinister it all
1:06:39is. But Breijgit, wow, the lynchpin of it all. Why make Breijit the first lady? I want you to
1:06:47think about that. We’re going to jump back into it tomorrow, but that’s something, right? quite stunning to go, okay, you got away with so much. What’s this next step? What’s this represent to
1:06:56you? It has to be almost theological. I’ll leave it there. We’ll see you guys tomorrow. [Music]
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