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17 Dec 2020Introducing… Priscilla’s Story This week on Discovering Truth we are welcoming back Priscilla and Amanda Buys, this time Priscilla will share her testimony. Daniel will talk about regions of captivity and give prayer materials to come against connections to constellations and earth systems. Amanda explains the experience of witnessing the torment symbiotic bonds had on Priscilla. Priscilla will be expressing her strong desire to want to know God intimately… don’t miss this show! TRIGGER WARNING: This is not a program for the faint of heart, nor is it one that you will want to miss if you can handle the truth. There will be a few graphic descriptions. This podcast will contain information about subjects that may be difficult or inappropriate for some audiences including young children. About Amanda Buys: Amanda and her husband, Roly, have been working in the areas of deliverance and satanic ritual abuse (SRA) for many years and have compiled an impressive assortment of tools and prayers that have helped thousands around the planet. About Priscilla: Priscilla is a survivor of satanic ritual abuse (SRA) who is on her own healing journey with Jesus. She has had encounters with Nephilim and has a wide knowledge of the deep, dark secrets of the occult world. Her testimony about being a mermaid and Jesus’ healing are truly eye-opening and powerful. Expect to hear Amanda and Priscilla talk about: • The “5 I Wills” in Isaiah being a part of a ritual to choose to serve Satan • The duplication of babies to be used for sacrifices, rituals, or switching • The cult using frozen embryos for artificial wombs and surrogates • The mind of Satan is over many members of the cult for them to continue doing evil • The nephilim being put into the womb with fetuses to make them spiritually sensitive • The rituals that the cult uses to build up pre-Adamic iniquity • The swap between Priscilla and her twin sister at age four • The symbiotic bond between Priscilla’s sister caused her to relive the sacrifice • The traumatic experiences throughout the process of being conceived and being birthed And so many more truths… Truths from the Podcast: 1. “The reason why I’m saying this is that for my conception, for example, and the conception of other survivors that I have come to know over the last years. Some of those conceptions go back to the late 40’s or mid-40’s. Where they were frozen and put into a blue bowl and just kept in a frozen state. And something that is really important to consider is that sometimes people have memories that are before their lifetime. For example, I am 34-years-old, in my body, my body is 34-years-old. But because my conception was way before that, I can have memories that do not make sense to me. That I’m like well, I wasn’t there when Mengele died, yet I seem to have memories of it? I wasn’t there when Queen Elizabeth was coronated, yet I seem to have memories of it. Like my spirit memories… so when you have people that are talking about these kinds of things, it is possible because you were in a frozen state.” Priscilla 2. Referenced materials: Priscilla shared this link about a Baby girl born from record-setting 27-year-old embryo – BBC News (bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55164607). 3. Prayers: You can find the two prayers Daniel mentioned, Freedom from Constellations and Freedom from Earth Systems, at the Deliverance Portal (deliverance.bridemovement.com). 4. Keys scriptures from the show: Philippians 1:6 and Isaiah 14:13-14. About Discovering Truth: Discovering Truth with Dan Duval is a weekly podcast that was launched in 2012. It began as an investigation into conspiracy, the developing New World Order, and subjects related to end-times Bible prophecy. Over the years, it has evolved to include a strong outreach to survivors suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) due to satanic ritual abuse (SRA) and government-sponsored mind control. This program also exposes the Illuminati from the inside out, featuring many testimonies of Illuminati defectors. In addition, there is a huge focus on the Kingdom of God, victorious living, inner healing, and deliverance. New episodes are released every Thursday on our website, YouTube, BlogTalk Radio, iTunes, and many other websites. More from Amanda Buys & Priscilla: We’ve been left on another cliffhanger! Be on the lookout for the rest of Priscilla’s story… Stay tuned! For any other resources or materials that you would like to find from Amanda, visit her website at kanaanministries.org. You can also listen to her previous podcasts on Discovering Truth: SRA, Spirit Children, and Victory in Christ with Amanda Buys The Hitler Project, Hybrids and Kabbalah with Amanda Buys Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 1 Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 2 Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 3 Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 4

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ou’re listening to discovering truth with dan duvall

0:19folks it is my pleasure to make available to you another episode of

0:26discovering truth with dan deval featuring my friends priscilla from

0:33the netherlands and amanda byes from south africa and guys we have

0:39uh had an a whole series of podcasts together this year and you guys have enjoyed them and let us

0:46know about it and i am going to encourage anyone that’s listening to this like wait a

0:52minute who are these friends priscilla and amanda i haven’t heard about them go back into our archives

0:57broadmovement.com we have a podcast page where you can search all of our podcasts you can put

1:04in mermaid because that’s what we were talking about we were talking about mermaids we were talking about the fact

1:11that priscilla the person i am sitting down with today in the time of her service to the

1:18kingdom of darkness could shape-shift into a mermaid go into the deep areas of the sea and did all kinds of

1:24missions and assignments which we’ve already discussed and so be sure to hear

1:29all of that now today uh priscilla and amanda are joining me

1:35again because we are going to be talking about priscilla’s life a lot of you have asked

1:41what kind of a life does a person live in order to get to the level of

1:47darkness that priscilla was delivered from uh how is it that she

1:53was raised by nephilim for parents but how do we connect the dots

1:58on her conception because we kind of dropped knowledge bombs along the way

2:05but didn’t connect the dots and so that is what we are here to do today and and by the way

2:10amanda buys and her husband they operate canaan ministries out of south africa that’s k-a-n-a-a-n ministries and

2:18uh they are doing an amazing job with survivors they have made so many prayer

2:25resources and teaching materials available to help people and have blessed countless lives and so we’re very

2:31excited about everything that they continue to do in the name of jesus so uh priscilla welcome back to

2:37discovering truth thanks dan it’s really great to be back again

2:43amanda it is so good to have you back on the show thank you then it’s good it’s really

2:50very good to see that’s your journey to journey together and to learn and to share what we learn it’s great

2:57it’s really a blessing and a privilege well i’ll tell you what guys one of the

3:03things that i appreciate about priscilla and amanda is that before these podcasts they always supply me with pictures

3:10and this helps with the storytelling and so you know priscilla as we get into your

3:16story and tying some of these pieces of your incredible

3:21testimony together you’ve given me this picture that works as a bit of a timeline and so i’m going to

3:29just go ahead and put that up and let you start walking us into this understanding

3:36yeah thanks thanks then um yeah it is really extremely hard

3:42to give a testimony about everything that has happened in in

3:50in my life just because that because they program you and they split

3:57you in so many people it’s it’s like i have

4:02you know like 10 lifetimes inside of one body and it’s it’s such a story and

4:10and i mean all honor and praise goes to god because he is the one who

4:16has been able to make sense of it and who still makes sense of it because you know for me sometimes i

4:22i often don’t even understand my own story um where i’m trying to to put the pieces together and

4:30god is faithful but when it’s it’s that scripture is just one sentence in

4:36philippians i think that when god starts something he finishes it

4:41and and i have seen that happening in my life uh every time again he is faithful and

4:49and he um helps us um to walk the path not just me but other

4:55survivors as well so when you told me about the request of of some of the listeners

5:01uh to to uh connect the dots i was like okay where do i start

5:07and i you know at some point the light just went on i was like well why

5:12don’t we just start from the beginning and i just go through through it and amanda will just jump in

5:19uh when when she feels i’m forgetting something or i have to add something and um we have a dear friend her name

5:27her name is ellie and she she has done some awesome pictures i

5:33already showed a few the last time she really has a gift of drawing and not

5:39just drawing beautiful and nice pictures but she she draws the awful stuff

5:44and she does it you know she has gone through it herself and god has given her the gift to to

5:51draw it so i’ve taken a few pictures of her actually um that we go through

5:57but this first picture is a timeline where um where you see

6:04how the life of a survivor um basically is being drawn out and i

6:12thought this is a good place to start because um you know in the cold

6:19and when i refer to the cult i i i mean it can be the new world or the new world

6:25order the illuminati however you want to call it but my my name for it is the cult so

6:32when they um [Music] when they work on survivors or their

6:38projects it’s it’s their protocols and

6:43and um even though i am a unique person and god has made me

6:49uniquely to the code i’m just a project or a number and i go through protocols in in my life

6:57and many survivors will recognize these protocols

7:02that i have went through as well and so when when i’m telling this story

7:08probably a lot of people went through the same things as i went through they they recognize uh some of the things

7:14that that i will talk about so you see a few

7:20um pictures here of course you start with the conception

7:25and it goes all the way back to where you see just the stars of 65 years old

7:32and every star signifies a seal so

7:39from you see from 13 years old you see the stars one star two stars and then

7:44three four and five stars this is this is where you get sealed

7:49into um a next level um of authority or becoming higher up

7:56in in them in the cold also as a nephilim mother so i will get back

8:02to that later so to start with conception

8:08um i i sent you a link that i just want to for your listeners

8:15to get out there as well um this was released on the on the news yesterday

8:23this is um this is on the bbc you can find it on other websites as well

8:29um this baby was conceived 27 years ago

8:38and she was um put on ice frozen and 27 years later

8:46she was uh implanted in a um womb of um

8:54of a woman obviously and um and born and this is groundbreaking news because

9:01this is the world record for how long a embryo has been frozen and still

9:08um uh able to to to get to a living baby now

9:15the reason why i want to show this is that this is done with technology that has

9:21been released to our society and the technology that we see and and you

9:29know that then and it’s old it’s it the technology that we

9:34see is at least 30 years old so just imagine that 30 years ago

9:40they were already able to freeze an embryo and and and put it on ice and have it

9:46been born later on think of how old that technology was then so

9:55they have been able to do this for quite a while and the reason why i’m saying this is

10:01that for my conception for example and and conception of other survivors that i

10:08have come to know over the last years some of those conceptions go back

10:14to the late 40s and um it dead or mid-40s even where

10:21where it um where they were frozen and and put into

10:27a a blue bowl and and just kept in a frozen state

10:33and that is something that is really important to

10:40consider that sometimes people have memories that are from before their lifetime so

10:47for example i’m i’m 34 years old in my like in my body my body is 34 years old

10:55but because my conception was way before that i can have memories

11:01that do not make sense to me that i’m like well i i wasn’t

11:08there when mengele died yet i seem to have memories of it i wasn’t there when

11:16queen elizabeth was was coronated is that a good word yet i seem

11:23to have memories of it like my spirit memories and and

11:28um so when you have people that are talking about these kind of

11:34things it is possible because because they’re what you were in

11:39a frozen state and i i put a picture it’s picture number two i think um

11:45that has the frozen ball that um well the ball isn’t frozen but inside is the is the frozen embryo

11:54yeah this is conception and then this just after conception this is how i experienced it this kind

12:01of um it it felt as if i was put into a blue kind of bowl that was

12:08highly charged and it was both it was both freezing and burning

12:14at the same time it was a very very weird experience and the

12:22the interesting thing is that we all have a beginning

12:29and and we know that conception is the moment that that the spirit of

12:35a human being is assigned to to the sperm and oven that that just

12:42have become a person and so i consider

12:49that to be my beginning my my conception but my conception

12:57you know when they use ivf and things like that they they do this

13:04it’s not a circumstance where a a man and a woman love each other and they have

13:10intercourse and a baby is born out of or created out of love this is very much

13:17thought about thought through and they have this bloodline combined with

13:23dust plotline and they put it together and the moment conception takes place

13:31a huge ritual will happen and that ritual will download

13:38all the iniquity of those bloodlines that that go back all the way to

13:46to came like back to the fall they will they will that is how they select the bloodlines

13:51because if you want to if they want to create high level

13:57um programmed people they they work on the bloodline

14:05so they they select the these bloodlines have been have been um

14:11how do you say that um selected all through the years and and

14:18um and with this bloodline

14:24all the iniquity is being downloaded on this like few cells it’s just a few cells

14:31that that was just created and you can imagine that this is really

14:37traumatic for for this these few cells

14:42and what happens at that moment and this is really important to understand

14:48for survivors but also for counselors when this happens there is already

14:55a lot of shattering happening because you were not meant as a person

15:02as a just created few cells to get all these iniquities downloaded

15:10upon you so when i look back to this in my spirit and and um and i see what happened what

15:18i see is i see as if there is a huge explosion of star like stardust or gold

15:25dust and it’s my my spirit that just entered my body

15:31was just shattered in in in this huge amount of dust

15:38and they take that dust and they assign it to different places

15:43they assigned us to different dimensions to different uh places on the earth and they

15:50they use that for their own purposes and um and the spirit

15:58that is still attached to to the cells that grows further along

16:05with the body but already a big part of that spirit has been shattered and they

16:13so this is very important to understand that that is how they could do so many things

16:20with a person because they already have a lot of the humanity of of of me in this case

16:29and um so as you go from conception

16:36depending on how many years you you stay in that frozen state you you are being brought to rituals you’re being

16:43um like they use their crafts the one that we already talked about before

16:49and they bring you to all these places and they are rituals and more of that dust is being released

16:57over those places and because you know your spirit isn’t made to go

17:04through this and and so it just shatters and um so

17:12that is how they attach humanity of me in this case

17:18to certain places on the earth so if we talk about antarctica how how

17:25did i know where to find antarctica when i was first dropped in the ocean

17:31it was i just went to find my humanity i knew something of me was there so i

17:37followed it and that’s where i got and this is how that is how i got there

17:43can i just add one thing yeah sure uh i okay i’m gonna pose this as a

17:50question do you think this also includes locations

17:56off planet as well such as rituals on the dark side of the moon titan moon of

18:02saturn other significant locations in other galaxies for instance orion maybe

18:11yeah well i mean that’s a good rhetorical question it’s i mean obviously yes that’s where they

18:17where they put that um because part of humanity part of your humanity

18:24is being stuck to those places and and it make it’s it’s part of me

18:33so when they so let’s say they put a um

18:41let’s say part of my humanity is attached to the dark side of the moon and they want

18:47me to go there what they would do is they would kind of like

18:52activate that part of my humanity as if it’s a little light shining in the darkness

18:58and the only thing i would have to do is is is follow it and go to there because that

19:04is it’s part of me so it’s so easy for me to go there that that is how how they do it

19:12and does that answer your question you know and this is an interesting

19:17thing priscilla and i’m just going to let you continue this is so fascinating years ago we discovered

19:23that we had to get people untethered from constellations right but shortly after that i realized

19:31i have to get people untethered from jet streams from physical locations around the world

19:36that they’re telling me they’ve never traveled to in the natural life and it’s it’s a quantum entanglement

19:43it involves the dna i have two prayers in this book prayers that shake heaven and earth freedom from constellations and another

19:49one called freedom from earth systems and i have seen

19:55extraordinary i mean i i use freedom from earth systems almost as often as i

20:00eat lunch i mean it’s just every day i’m seeing this prayer setting people

20:06free from stuff and uh what you’re bringing up is a key because it’s actually

20:14how this bondage wasn’t stated in people and it makes me wonder just how many

20:22people may be the subject of what you’re talking about in that they are

20:27a an egg that that that is not implanted for years and years

20:34ritualized only to be implanted at an appointed time so that the power and the iniquity can

20:39be multiplied prior to you know birth and so

20:44please continue oh that that’s true what you’re saying and um actually before we ever met

20:52before um with amanda i went through a few counseling sessions where i prayed

21:00through the freedom from constellations prayer um i already bought the book then and um

21:09it was powerful for me to i had a powerful release in the beginning i could hardly

21:14speak it out loud like i really had to um work through it through that prayer a

21:21couple times actually and so yeah that was a big blessing actually

21:27so thank you but um so yeah that is that is how they

21:33um attach you to places on the earth places outside of the earth dimensions and

21:40um but then there comes a time when they feel it’s right for you to

21:47to be put um into a um artificial womb or a human womb

21:54and um well that obviously comes with trauma as well i already

22:00talked about that the last time with the with the artificial wombs and how they

22:06installed the artificial energy system you know the alpha omega

22:12chakra so a lot of rituals and and things happen over those um in the

22:19time that you’re being uh grown in in a in the womb and um

22:28what is also um interesting about this is that

22:34especially when you’re um in a in a artificial womb i’m not sure how it

22:40works in a human womb but what they would do is they they sometimes implant you

22:49with a with another fetus but this is not always a

22:56human fetus so for my in my example what i know

23:03is that i was um [Music] they put me together with a nephilim um

23:10inside so already from that moment while you’re growing

23:16you’re you have to fight for your life not just because of all the experiments that they’re doing

23:22on you but also because there is something in that same area where you’re trying to

23:28to stay alive that is trying to to kill you to to eat you or whatever it’s trying

23:36to do and and they do it on purpose because they give that hybrid or whatever it is they give

23:42it an assignment it’s not it’s it’s not necessarily there to kill you

23:48but it’s there to push you to to already get your fighting system

23:55out because you’re fighting uh against this thing all the time and it makes you

24:02spiritually very sensitive because this hybrid is loaded with with uh entities that it that

24:10that it’s connected to so you’re already working on this spiritual level when

24:16you’re you’re not even born yet so that is where survivors

24:23are are so sensitive to the spirit world often it’s because you know you’re

24:29being grown into that into that world and um and then when you when you get

24:38born when my my birth was very traumatic and i every survivor’s um

24:46birth is very traumatic um i remember that i started to get these memories

24:53back and and later on i would talk to other survivors or i heard other stories

25:00and and it was like it’s so weird because yes my story is unique

25:08but then i would hear another survivor and it was like that that’s what happened to

25:14me you know and and there are yes there are different details but it’s kind of the

25:21same so what they did with me is i was i was

25:27in a in an artificial room but then they placed me in a um in a woman that had just

25:35given birth with a c-section and they put me back in and

25:42this woman was bleeding to death and they basically i just had to

25:49fight my way to crawl out of this dying woman so what i was experiencing

25:56the life flowing away of this woman i was trying to not die myself

26:03and um and and i had to crawl out of this this place and when

26:12i survived that what happened is i don’t ask me how they do is made but

26:17maybe maybe somebody knows how they do this but they do like a quick um

26:26somehow you know they crack open the ribs and they they get a lot of the flesh and stuff

26:32away or the organs they get them away and that has been my for like the

26:37first few months of my life so i had to um yeah

26:44like that was my grip so that was you get

26:51very um bonded with death and and

26:58and um everything that that happens around that like the the the things you

27:05smell the things you the spiritual stuff that happens and

27:10that was very traumatic when i got to these memories and i think

27:16amanda remembers that probably pretty well because the body memories were

27:21were pretty intense and um yeah it was it wasn’t pretty um

27:31and you know the reason you wonder why do they do this what’s what’s why

27:39and the conclusion that i got it’s it’s

27:44they have the mind of satan and and everything that that god

27:51has thought of that a human being should experience in a good way

27:58and being safe and and being welcome and being uh loved

28:04it’s it’s he took it and did the opposite and and and that is what what happened

28:10with with me and people like me so um it’s just

28:17part of what they do and it’s it’s part of the conditioning that you go

28:23through as you as you grow up in the cult because not everything is programming

28:31and that that maybe that doesn’t make sense but you

28:36know you cannot program a person if there has not been

28:42proper conditioning so they condition

28:47a baby to to not be able to to make good bonding

28:53proper bonding only trauma bonding and and bonding to to the wrong people because if

29:01if a if if you as a baby learn how to bond in a good way

29:07then the programming will not be as strong it it will be it will be a lot weaker

29:14because it gives you strength to have proper bonding to to be able to be assertive for example

29:20and um if you if they they condition you

29:28in in your emotions not not crying in your anger in in um

29:35knowing that it doesn’t why would i cry nothing is gonna i’m only getting punished if i cry so why would i cry

29:43so if if they condition you in that way once they start programming you they

29:48will have a much stronger foundation to work from so that is what happened the first

29:57first year one and a half year of of of uh after i was born it’s it’s the

30:03conditioning it’s horrific conditions that is the also the time that i lived with the

30:09nephilim um there are different places on the earth

30:14where there are nephilim cities call it that way um

30:21we talked about antarctica already and and um uh under the temple mount in jerusalem

30:28is such a place and um growing up with with this is

30:36um it’s truly i think the most horrific thing that you

30:42can go through as a human being because it it goes it’s beyond torture

30:50it’s you know torture has a beginning and an end usually but living with the nephilim

30:57it is you’re living with beings that are not human

31:02that have no conscience that have a deep deep hatred towards everything that

31:08represents or that looks like god almighty which includes humans

31:14and um and they they are

31:22um how do you say that their emotions because i know a lot of people seem to

31:29think that hybrids or nephilim they don’t have emotions

31:34but i strongly disagree with that because they have emotions that

31:44are um

31:50no human should ever ever be subject to their emotions because

31:56it’s it’s pure satanic they have satanic hatred

32:01satanic rage satanic um uh how do you say that disgust

32:09and and it’s it’s not on a human level that they have these emotions and

32:16and as a human being exposed to this is is very traumatic and very the only

32:23way for me to survive was to become

32:28a nephilim so in my mind i i decided that i can’t be a human

32:36i i shouldn’t be a human because i will not survive this if if i’m a

32:42human and and that is where i just decided to to to be a nephilim and when i get to

32:50that sorry so i i just have to ask this question for all of the listeners

32:57from an outsider’s perspective do you exist as a baby

33:04living in a community in a house with a white picket fence or does the world not really know of

33:11your existence because you are in nephilim cities and basically kept underground

33:16so to speak yeah good question um so the answer is

33:24in a way it is logical but it’s also a bit crazy because when

33:31when you do i ivf right that’s the right word you don’t create just one one baby

33:38there’s not just there were more siblings that that had the same dna

33:45uh as i had it’s just that i was chosen to to um to be their project

33:54and they don’t dispose of the other siblings they use them for their own um for other purposes and one of these

34:02purposes is that um at some point the people that i was placed in

34:10in later life that i was that i knew to be my parents um one of my siblings

34:17was placed in there in my mother’s womb and um

34:24she was born around the same time as i was born except that she grew up in this what you

34:31say you know my parents were um

34:37in in in their front life they were normal people and christian people who

34:44were very young at that stage in their life and um and at some point

34:50when i was you know i was growing up with the nephilim my my sister was growing up with them

34:57and then at some point we were switched and um that was when i was

35:05about i was about four years old just

35:10just um around that time i was i was swept swiped i don’t know how you

35:17say that um swapped yes

35:23and um and and that is where i was um where my

35:30presenter was created by that time um the priscilla that that everybody

35:38was going to know and that part of me priscilla did not didn’t know

35:45anything about where where where i came from

35:50and that was the only way for me to survive in the normal world because i had to learn how to survive

35:58so um that is how how they do that so yes the first three

36:04and a half four years i’ve lived um without anybody’s knowledge that i

36:13even existed and after about three and a half four years

36:19they put me in the in in my parents house yeah so

36:26i have another question and then we’re gonna move down the story line

36:32because there’s similar dna in

36:39you and your sister is there a we could call it

36:46a psychic or a uh type of connection between

36:53you and her that allows her to be influenced by your torture and

37:01vice versa yes very yeah yeah that’s how it works

37:06exactly when we were

37:13swapped and what happened is she was sacrificed

37:22and her memories so far were downloaded in me

37:29so that i as the presenter front part who was going to live life

37:36now in this little country in europe um

37:43i had those memories but they didn’t really belong to me they were hers and

37:51what they because i had other siblings as well so over the years what happened i’m just

37:57skipping a few years now but over the years what would happen especially when

38:03i mean i would sometimes go through torture in my by going like a year ago and i would

38:10talk with amanda and i would say amanda i am dying i don’t know what is happening to me but

38:16it feels i’m spinning i’m being electrocuted what all these things and we would be

38:21praying and what’s going on and and lord revealed this to us and then amanda said well did

38:27you already check if this might have anything to do with the symbiotic bond with one of your siblings and then we

38:34would start praying and immediately we would we would uh address this and then

38:42the moment i would cut myself loose from this sibling things would start to ease and i

38:50wouldn’t be so much in so much pain anymore so yeah that’s really how they work

38:58i have a list of uh how do i call it uh

39:06relational entities that we address under certain circumstances

39:14due to the way that what they do and experience can influence people i’m

39:21working with i call them clones duplicates

39:27replicas derivatives replacements stand-ins twins actually have a longer

39:34list than that but twins are on the list and what you are describing i think will

39:41help some people a lot because i have language for stuff that i don’t have

39:47fully fleshed out explanations and uh what do you call case studies for i

39:54just know and um what you’re saying is really huge priscilla for for a lot

40:01of people because so many people are walking around and the lord has told them what’s my problem

40:07it’s your twin and they don’t know what that means amanda did you i see you nodding did you

40:12want to yeah i think i think this is a very important part um

40:18dan because um i think at a stage somewhere along the

40:23line we spoke but it would be good to just bring it in here again um that when they do the conception

40:30um of of this baby they don’t only uh make one baby um they

40:37they would make three or four or five depending on what the plan is and obviously one gets sacrificed to

40:44seal everything and then um one would be taken and put into a surrogate family like

40:50chris explained to her sister um and and so then they would also swap them in and

40:57out um if if they want to add a stage so they keep one in the cult

41:04and so these are identical um images of siblings and then safe

41:12they need press to to reprogram or put more stuff into her while she’s with the family of

41:19you know it’s three or four years old and she has to go for continuous uh programming then they need to have

41:26her still at school so they will swap in take her away and go and do the work

41:33with bruce and put the other sibling in her place to go to school

41:38so um it would all it’ll be this in and out swapping the whole time

41:44where we were asking questions the normal western mind asking questions how’s it

41:50possible you know how can you be away from home for a month of programming

41:56the school your friends they’re going to miss you you know i mean you ask these questions

42:02um and so i think it’s important to know that there’s more than one sibling created and then

42:10that what also is very keen and and we have found this with so many um is that

42:18they um they will keep one in the underworld in a in a state of

42:24death like on a life support machine and because of the symbiotic bond

42:32they they can let’s say press is not coming for help

42:38and she’s being tortured and tormented like over the top she’s gonna flip she’s

42:44gonna lose it she’s she’s gonna die she’s it’s just it’s

42:49humanly she everything in her says i’ll rather get out of this body completely

42:55because i can’t handle the punishment i can’t handle the torture and then we would realize

43:02that something’s happening like a voodoo thing but it’s live it’s this is this is not a doll

43:09this is this is a live person like doing it too and press is connected

43:15but in in such a strong bond it’s not just the coding it’s it’s stronger than that it’s dna

43:23it’s it’s blood of my you know burning my bone and flesh of my flesh and and and so they would keep this

43:31part the sibling on life support um but they would then

43:38torture this sibling put her on a wheel do the most horrific things with her

43:45and everything they do press gets hit with so you’re just thinking you pray you

43:54cut off you you bind you rebuke you you you walk through every single thing

43:59you’ve ever heard of you know because you’re seeing you’re seeing this this client

44:05presses die in front of you and and and you start don’t know what to pray anymore and you don’t know what to hit you up against

44:11then you know you’re desperate and then god started to teach you pray voodoo but it’s it’s not

44:18breaking you know and then we learned about this that there is this part of her

44:26sister her sibling that is being tortured and tormented

44:34over the top and and presses being hit so it was such

44:40a huge breakthrough and we’ve seen it within so many survivors already

44:46um that if you can get them off that wheel of death and and get them free because what they did

44:52was they sent a part of chris’s humanity um a presenter pot which is survival brain

45:00um we we have also spoken that when they create the presenter part they

45:06don’t create it from the same parts as as the other parts of the brain

45:13they created from the survival brain and that is why the torture and the

45:19torment they can do because it’s survival it’s you it’s

45:26you know you you live or die and so you have this um part of press

45:32her present apart that was sent to stay with the dead twin sibling

45:40all the time and so there was there was a connection with a part of prison

45:46as well as the symbiotic bond and so it was very strong

45:53wow okay priscilla yeah no that was that was

46:01pretty intense um and and but it also enables you to

46:07learn and and see um how it can help other people as well and

46:15and i think that is a good thing so yeah that that is um

46:23yeah we’re already at four years old is just one one thing that i want to to

46:30share very important it’s picture number three it is a very important moment

46:38um in the life of a survivor um and that is it’s called the new birth

46:45experience and this is where where you’re you’re still

46:51really small like i was 12 maybe 13 months something around that age still living with the

46:59nephilim and what they do

47:04is and i think we already explained this a little bit but what they do is they

47:12start explaining the gospel to this one-year-old child and

47:19what happens is you know we know that the word of god is living and it’s active we know that it’s light we know

47:27that it’s life-giving so even when

47:33the gospel is being explained by very evil people it still has the ability to bring forth

47:39life and as a baby or as a small child

47:45i you were i was spiritually so awake and i i for me the spiritual realm was

47:52more real than the earth realm like i only started to learn the boundaries

48:02of earth life once i started to live in my presenter life before that

48:09like floating flying um how do you call that

48:16going from one place to another place uh teleporting

48:22it was it was like eating lunch i that that was my life i didn’t know any better than that was

48:29my life and so i was spiritually very awake and hearing

48:37the gospel uh it does something with you and

48:43it is the only little bit of light and life that you see for the first time in your

48:50life and everything in you starts to draw towards that and and what happens

48:58is that jesus or i’d rather call him yeshua because i’ve had

49:04many false jesus’s uh in my life so yeshua is my favorite name for

49:09jesus so yeshua shows himself to you

49:16when you say i want to know that man that you’re talking about i i um and

49:23and that is where you have your first experience with yeshua and where he actually comes

49:30and lives in your heart and that is the the top of the picture

49:35that you see with the little child and the heart and and the lion of judah and it’s an amazing experience for a few

49:43seconds and what happens is they see this happening they see in the

49:50spirit that that you have come to know jesus and

49:57i can tell you all kinds of reasons why they do this it it there are many reasons but one of

50:04the main reasons is is that they want to steal the glory of god

50:09and if if that child becomes a child of god

50:16and they torture it and they heard it they steal the glory of god they rap like every what happens is they

50:24wrap this child in death it’s the second part of the picture and you see it’s like they bring this

50:30child into death experience after death experience and i’m not talking about two or three

50:36times this is 10 20 30 40 times that you die within a in a short span of time

50:45and and every layer is a layer of death that is putting

50:51that’s being put around this this little baby that that gave her heart to yeshua

50:58and every time there is a death experience another part is is taken out of that

51:07baby and is being assigned that is where the program is going to start they they take these parts and they say

51:15this is your name this is your name this is your name and they’re being put in separate places and that is

51:21the parts that they will start working on later and um and this

51:28i call it the new birth identity this new birth identity is being placed in underworld and it has

51:36entities that are guarding this this baby because satan knows that

51:42if this baby ever gets released in the person

51:48that’s going to be the end of story for for this for him having a hold on the

51:54survivor because in my life the moment that we found this new birth identity

52:02um in me that is when my freedom started to flow

52:08and and yes it’s a journey and and you have to go to that place many times because there are so many death

52:13experiences but it’s

52:18it’s a crucial part in in in a survivor and

52:26what they do with that um the the bottom part you see the fake evil jesus

52:33they introduced to you a jesus that will pose himself as your savior

52:39so as a baby you’re being put to death and you’re in a horrible pain and then

52:46you’re being brought to life and as you’re being brought to life

52:53you see this jesus and he says i came to save you you’re not dead

52:59anymore i am your savior and and you start trusting this jesus he

53:06must be the right jesus the other jesus must have been evil because he is the one that calls me to

53:12suffer so much he’s the one that caused me to to die so this must be the right jesus and

53:19and and that is the whole foundation that they will build on from that moment on so does that make

53:26sense that makes a lot of sense and and i’ll

53:33i’ll tell you you know it it never ceases to amaze me how often i

53:40find parts of people’s humanity in hades in the underworld in

53:46outer darkness in i mean it it’s all the time we’re going into these realms i

53:51call them regions of captivity all the time to get soul parts out

53:56and they have different levels of significance and so okay so you are for

54:04you are swapped into a normal life given a presenter downloaded

54:11with all of the memories of your sister what’s next well from that moment on

54:19you get the true meaning of living a double life because in in

54:27in my one world i lived his life as a little girl who

54:33goes to school goes to church she was being um i had a a huge hunger

54:41for for god and and and to get to know him and already from a young age i knew

54:49that he existed and i i knew that um that i wanted to know him

54:57and and that has been um i think that has been my driving force

55:07to get to the place where i am now because as as i was growing up and i was

55:14in my one world living a normal life i started to notice that i wasn’t

55:21able to have a intimate relationship with jesus

55:27the way i saw other people having that and i was i mean i was very gifted i was

55:35gifted with prophecy with leading worship uh gifts of healing and all these things

55:43i i that that’s been there from from a young age

55:48um except that it wasn’t the gifts of the true holy spirit it was of the

55:54false holy spirit i didn’t know it by then i i mean i was really thinking i was operating in in

56:00the kingdom of god but um it it it wasn’t um

56:06it wasn’t true but he as i was operating in these gifts and

56:14as i was building this relationship with god i just couldn’t get

56:20to this intimate place of knowing him it always was as a dis at a distance and

56:28there was always this dark place in me where where i couldn’t go and and i was afraid

56:33to go there and and i mean i had nightmares and things like that and i was i was quite young when i already started

56:40to see a therapist i was 13 i think or 14 and

56:46um so obviously obviously there was something wrong but i i couldn’t get my put my finger on

56:54it and then i just skipped a few years and i was 19

57:02when i discovered that there was the id in my life and um

57:10i found that i had these parts and they were all talking about these weird things and i i

57:17didn’t understand what was going on and um

57:24and from there i had my first memories that looked like ritual abuse

57:31but i wasn’t ready to go there in my mind like um i just wasn’t there and

57:39i made a decision of my will to bury that bury these memories

57:46and to um to just keep living my nice christian life um

57:55and i tried that for for a few years and i i allowed the id to be there like

58:02i couldn’t push the idea away like i had parts and but i i somehow i

58:08managed to have the fun parts to the front like parts that were cute

58:14and and that were always in for a and and you know sometimes these parts would

58:20talk a bit about where they came from and some of the memories and and i would be just like no i can’t

58:26accept that you know it’s that’s just not me um

58:32and then i was we’re talking now about 2014 so this is six

58:39years ago that is when i was

58:45at a very deep place where i was god i i want to know you

58:52i i see people around me who know you in an intimate

58:59way like emotional and they they it’s something that i

59:05don’t have what is it and god was really clear with

59:10me it’s only the truth that will bring you to a place where you

59:16can get to know me and i knew i had to make a decision at that moment

59:23either i’m going to keep all this stuff buried and

59:29i live my life the way it is now for as long as i can because i knew i couldn’t keep this up

59:34for for for a whole long time or i’m going to now really

59:41submit to god the way the bible teaches us to submit to him and

59:48and let whatever comes forward come forward and i

59:55didn’t know what i was choosing at that moment because i had no idea what was going to come forward but

1:00:02that’s what i chose i said okay god i can’t just live this life

1:00:09where i don’t know you like i want to know you and and will you just bring me to this

1:00:17place where i can be in in in submission to you and and where the truth can can come forward

1:00:25and only then the truth started to come out and it

1:00:33it went pretty fast from there and and in 2015 i got to know amanda

1:00:39and um yeah that’s when it got really crazy and

1:00:46um i mean it i still don’t understand

1:00:51how how god managed and how god thought it was worth

1:00:58his time in amanda’s time to to get me to get us connected and and bring

1:01:07bring me to this place where i am right now where the memories are starting to come

1:01:12they’ve started to come forward at the beginning it’s it’s all messy

1:01:18like you have the nightmares all the nightmares that i have been having over the years suddenly

1:01:24started to make sense and once they start making sense the next level comes and and

1:01:32that’s where the crazy stuff started to i started dreaming about these

1:01:38these nephilims hybrids um

1:01:43weird creatures um places that i i would never been

1:01:50to these places in my life yet i saw them as if i was there um i that is where

1:01:59god really opened my eyes and allowed my body to show what was going

1:02:05on so i was still in a place where i was in relationship with my handlers

1:02:13and i would be taken by night um through triggering and however that

1:02:20works but i would be taken to to ritual places all over the world and and the next day

1:02:28i would wake up and my body would like i felt i was hit by a train

1:02:36and i had bruises on on on places everywhere over my body

1:02:43i had burn like i had burn wounds over my at places of my body and at some

1:02:50point i started to take pictures because i was like nobody is going to believe me

1:02:56that i i go to bed with a smooth skin and i wake up and i had this huge

1:03:02bruise on my on my chin or i would go to bed with with a normal leg

1:03:10and i would wake up with that with a blister filled with fluid from a burn the next morning

1:03:17and and it was it was ridiculous i mean it was i had no

1:03:24idea what was going on but i knew i had to pursue it and and only

1:03:30um by just diving headfirst not knowing whether

1:03:37if there was even a swimming pool there to catch me with water i i just went and and it has

1:03:44been a deep dive ever since and um and one thing that i think is

1:03:49very important to to mention is

1:03:55for me it was crucial i think life-saving to

1:04:02break contact with my handlers which meant that at this stage in my life

1:04:10i had my own business with a friend of mine

1:04:15i was in a very close relationship with with my surrogate parents

1:04:22and um and other friends and i had to

1:04:29i had to break contact with them and that is something that is

1:04:36very difficult because every

1:04:42every normal christian religious organization will say that the moment you break

1:04:50contact with your parents you are actually so

1:04:55showing like sect signs as if you’re in a sect because that is you know often what what

1:05:01happens um or um [Music]

1:05:07they say that you’re not honoring your parents or they say that

1:05:13you lost your mind i mean all these things have been said to me that i that they told me that

1:05:21because i was working with amanda they said that i was ending up in a cult or in a sect

1:05:28because i was breaking contact with my parents um i was leaving my church i mean half of

1:05:34the church stood in my business telling me what are you doing you’re crazy

1:05:40you’re uh you belong in this church uh we don’t want you uh to leave

1:05:47this is not biblical uh you are um deceived i mean

1:05:53and i mean i that is still what they say about me in that place and and i mean i don’t

1:06:00even blame them because they don’t understand where where i come from and what has happened

1:06:07but it is very important for survivors to um

1:06:12[Music] to know that there is a season in your life where you have to

1:06:18break with the people that are your handlers and um some some there might be a time

1:06:25where where i um where i will get back in touch i don’t

1:06:30know i don’t think so but you never know god is an almighty god and maybe he will show them

1:06:37what they’ve been up to i’ve been praying for it i really pray that on this side of heaven

1:06:42they will get the chance to repent and to to get in get clean with god

1:06:51um because it’s not going to be fun for them to to be on the other side of heaven

1:07:00and have to um see what they’ve been up to

1:07:06wow well um so priscilla

1:07:12we kind of skipped a few years here going from you know

1:07:19that that younger years and straight to 19. now there’s a there there’s a few points on this

1:07:26chart that you gave me that i want to zero in on and just let you

1:07:31uh talk about a little bit more and here you know you put

1:07:38okay the new birth identity which we we talked about yes then the presenter at three years

1:07:44they swapped you for your sister around four years yes what’s this coming of age

1:07:53yes this is um this is a very particular ritual

1:08:01that um we i’ve already mentioned it a few times in

1:08:07the past a few interviews it’s that point in time where you move from being a

1:08:14victim into being a perpetrator so this picture um shows

1:08:21pretty pretty good how that works um you see this girl in the center and

1:08:28um she’s holding this baby in a uh at a place where where it’s being

1:08:34sacrificed and um

1:08:40that is a representation of a new birth identity so

1:08:46what happens is that this baby you kill this baby as a symbol

1:08:54like in your mind you kill that part of yourself that chose for

1:08:59jesus and you put an other

1:09:05layer or actually you put a seal of death over that part of you and you choose to

1:09:13never again go back to to this new birth identity to this

1:09:20jesus that that baby ever said yes to and you choose to serve satan

1:09:27and and you do that by um saying the the the five i wills of satan

1:09:35that are described in in asia wealth i think it is

1:09:41and um and that is also where um

1:09:48i conceived my first nephilim son so where there was um this is

1:09:55what this means is that there is an intercourse between a fallen angel and a human and the result of that

1:10:02is a nephilim son and

1:10:08this can be any fallen angel from any rank till

1:10:15lucifer himself who who is a fallen angel as well of course

1:10:20and um this this is where you say

1:10:27i am an independent person now who has chosen against god

1:10:34and all the programming that has been installed in the years from new birth until the coming of eight

1:10:42so that is that is about 10 years a little over 10 years um all that

1:10:49programming is now being activated in a way that

1:10:54you’re going to take responsibility for it and you’re going to move yourself up the ranks

1:11:02to put it that way and um i don’t know amanda is there anything

1:11:07you want to say about this yeah i think um in the healing process

1:11:13this is a very important part to understand um because of

1:11:21of of the significant change that you go from a child under your parents authority and

1:11:28now you’re moving into the perpetrator and from being a victim to a victimizer

1:11:36is so important because now you are accountable before god and

1:11:43now you are willingly agreeing with satan whereas the first 12 years you were a

1:11:50victim you were just handed over and you had to do what they told you

1:11:55but now you are willingly deciding to kill this baby who opened your heart

1:12:04to the real yeshua and she got connected to him at 13 months and and and

1:12:12they have fed you hormones and basically your periods start very early in the body um chris i think

1:12:19you said eight about eight years old things started you your body started functioning that you could they

1:12:25could impregnate you and you you that baby that they lay in

1:12:31front of you is actually one of your own children that you’ve given birth to

1:12:37and that’s now 13 months old and so when they put that child on the altar in front of you um you

1:12:45believe you are killing that baby that gave their heart

1:12:50to jesus um and it’s now your chance because all the hatred um and all you know all

1:12:58the murder all the hatred of of satan that he can’t be saved and you are made in god’s image and you

1:13:05can be saved and all of that is loaded on top of your human anger

1:13:11and so they’ve made this 13 year old the assassin the murderer you know anything with this

1:13:20because this this the the the one that’s acting as a which i mean they

1:13:26they go into different sections obviously but but it’s all the anger that they’ve

1:13:31encapsulated and enhanced with satanic anger and nephilim anger

1:13:38and so when she kills that baby it is with it is with the most horrific

1:13:45hatred that becomes part of her life and and

1:13:50i’ve had other survivors report to me that when they killed the baby they were

1:13:56wearing jewels um inherited jewels like like

1:14:04in the the family jewels so i said oh is it the ramen off so because

1:14:11this she’s she’s anastasia in 1944 this whole hitler project that

1:14:17you and i spoke about the first time um she’s part of that project

1:14:22and so the jewels that she was wearing is the ramen of jewels and every little 13 year old in that

1:14:29bloodline part of that project would put on the jewels at 13

1:14:35it’s rings it’s it’s very expensive diamonds and gold and

1:14:41and so this little 13 year old is dressed up and and it’s ballroom i mean it’s

1:14:47ballroom gowns and and and you’ve got people in in the upper stairs

1:14:53watching this whole thing like a theater and and she’s being led down the

1:15:00steps with all these jewels and then as she kills she’s got to kill in such a way

1:15:07that there’s lots of blood that the blood splashes onto the jewels so that she’s the next

1:15:13generation that is in line that is hating god

1:15:19that makes a choice against god that is part of the antichrist system

1:15:25and and then the the jewels it’s so important that the jewels have to be

1:15:30splashed with blood and that then gives her that that

1:15:36authority and the the ranking for her then to move into the adulthood of of starting

1:15:44to hurt other children um killing um assassins or whatever the the

1:15:52assignment is but they move then into into really being

1:15:57very very dangerous um attacking they have been trained so well to attack

1:16:04ministries to attack to come into our bedrooms um to astral in well astral they

1:16:13they teleport in and um come and do their thing you know come

1:16:18and attack you um send all sorts of things at you um so they are so well trained

1:16:26so this 13 year old is key it’s it’s probably of the last parts

1:16:32that that you get to so you know that once you’ve reached the 13 year old because she’s the most hidden

1:16:40she’s the most angry and she is the mother that gives birth

1:16:47to the nephilim child um and and that sets her apart and gives

1:16:52her that ranking as well so so at 13 year old she’s the mother and

1:16:59um there’s there’s just so many layered things that have to be removed

1:17:05you know when you pray and they go through the the ritual where they were upside down crucified upside

1:17:12down where they had um where there was this guy that was killed um while he was being

1:17:21killed she’s having sex with him it’s the most bizarre stuff um that they

1:17:28get exposed to in this 13 year it’s all the 13 year old

1:17:33ritual so it is really key really key and then the five hour walls

1:17:40um it’s it’s as isaiah 14 and um you know we where lucifer himself

1:17:48makes the declarations i will rise above i will you know put my throne above

1:17:55and so the the the 13 year old comes in agreement with that

1:18:00and it’s open total rebellion and so they re they get the the the

1:18:07actual character of lucifer and well satan it’s either lucifer is the angel of

1:18:15light or satan in all his death and and um you know death

1:18:23you know you don’t have another word for him um another important thing i feel prison what

1:18:29dan you you speak about often are the scrolls the scrolls of your life and

1:18:35what happens at conception because they’ve planned so well around the sperm and the ovum

1:18:42and they bring that together there’s this demonic scroll that gets red over your life

1:18:50and then at 13 it’s the scroll again and do you agree

1:18:57do you agree are you now with your own free will that which happened at conception when

1:19:04you were created now do you agree that this is your life and as a 13 year

1:19:12old the agreement comes and that is when they take legal ground go to the word

1:19:20where the bible says now what you’ve chosen you’re going to be the consequences and so um that’s how they play the game

1:19:29you know to hold the bible against you to hold god against you so you have witnesses against you

1:19:34there’s judgments of god against you but it’s like you know

1:19:40they they just have that attitude of of satan

1:19:46and i i if i just can jump in here a little uh what i remember in one of

1:19:52your previous interviews one of the questions that was posted on youtube was how

1:20:01how is it possible that they allow you to get out of the cult and i just want

1:20:08to set very straight that they the cults are not almighty they are not

1:20:16god they are not yahweh elohim and

1:20:21god has the final say and i believe that there is a way out for

1:20:29every survivor how well programmed you are what what level of ranking you

1:20:37are there is always a way out and and i i know that

1:20:44for me i was so convinced that i i wasn’t able to be saved because

1:20:52i killed what i believe was the part of me that gave my heart to

1:20:59yeshua so i i thought i wasn’t being able to be saved anymore

1:21:05but god always has a way out he had he he knew

1:21:13before adam and eve sinned he already had salvation plan ready because he knew

1:21:19that they were going to do that and that they needed a way out and and it’s the same with with with me

1:21:26and people like me when you believe that there is no way out then just look up and and and

1:21:33and see that god has set the road before you because there is a way out

1:21:38and and he is the one that is almighty and having said that

1:21:45because if you just want to put up the picture number five

1:21:51what what is the trick and the way that they deceive you and they trick you is that

1:22:01they make you believe that you as the new birth identity

1:22:08are not the same as the 13 year old who makes that decision to kill the new

1:22:13birth identity they make you think it’s a is it’s a different person with a different body

1:22:21and that is where the deception is and that is why the d.i.d is so strong and

1:22:28what was very key for me is i needed to learn that

1:22:36the baby that had to crawl its way out of the mother’s womb is the

1:22:42same has the same body as the body who gave her life to yeshua

1:22:51at one year old it is the same body who chose against god at 13 year old

1:22:59it’s the same body who had 26 year old married with the nephilim sun and

1:23:07and yes there are different parts in that body but it is the same body so if you want

1:23:14to show the picture once more i just want to explain it if you see this tower this is the tower

1:23:21of babel it’s it’s a pretty standard program that they put in

1:23:26in in the survivors what you see is on the at the bottom you see this baby lying

1:23:35and out of this baby the it this baby is the foundation

1:23:41of the tower that is being built and all the way up you see that kind of

1:23:46naked lady sitting on the on a throne and that is the queen

1:23:52let’s say the 26 year old that is being put in a in a cult has a

1:23:59position of power it is birthing all the all the illuminati plants

1:24:06over the world like like all the rage and old evil and the plants of let’s say

1:24:13corona you know it’s being birthed by these kind of queens over the earth and this queen that is

1:24:21sitting there on top of the world is having a nice life she is being worshipped

1:24:31by the kings of the earth she is being worshipped by the other lower level

1:24:40women in the cult she is uh holding a position of power

1:24:46so she is in her mind pretty well off and when you tell her

1:24:55that she comes from this baby she would be disgusted she would say i want nothing to do with

1:25:02that baby but that is where where

1:25:07i as a survivor but as a counselor you have to show the survivor that that

1:25:14that she’s been tricked and been deceived and the moment that i

1:25:20realized in my parts that i am just being given a place of

1:25:28power and position and and and that to do their evil plans but at the same time a part of my

1:25:35humanity is suffering and is still stuck in a place of death because

1:25:41i want to hold a place of power when i realized that that is the same

1:25:46body and ultimately the same person because god made me as one person he

1:25:52never meant me to be scattered into all these thousands of of pieces

1:25:59and and when i started to realize that that is when it had it was able to come

1:26:06together and that is where if if you want to show the last picture that is the whole counseling process

1:26:14that happens you you have the baby that that gave her

1:26:19heart to yeshua and and you have the 13 year old you have 26 year olds you know all those seals

1:26:25that are being being put up and um

1:26:30yeah if you have this picture and then go to the next picture yes you see that from this new

1:26:37birth identity you you see the 13 year old you see the first crown the 26 year old and it goes

1:26:44all the way whatever age the survivor is now if you think of these

1:26:52arrows and you put them the other way that is the counseling process you take

1:26:59the age of the body you take the parts you take the 26 year old and you go backwards and you go and you find

1:27:08that baby that is wrapped in death that may that chose yeshua and then

1:27:15when they become one that is where healing comes that is because

1:27:22yeshua jesus he never left that little baby the 13 months old

1:27:28and when my parts were saying well jesus left me jesus is the one he abandoned me

1:27:36then i would amanda would ask yeshua to show the

1:27:41truth and what really happened is that i abandoned myself

1:27:47i was the one who couldn’t handle the torture so i split off and i mean i don’t have to blame myself

1:27:53for this but i split off because i couldn’t handle the torture and i i i started to live a parallel

1:28:00life to to who i really am and yeshua state he was there in the

1:28:08torture he was there and he didn’t leave and i was the one who escaped from myself

1:28:15and when that started to kick in that truth

1:28:20i had to learn that i had to go back to that baby that was wrapped in death and had to

1:28:27i mean i had to hold it every extension of myself as a 13 year old as a 26 year old as a

1:28:3434 year old whatever age i had to go back to these steps

1:28:40and find that baby that was captured in death and every time another layer of death

1:28:46was taken off this baby until i finally had it and

1:28:51and that is where my healing started to pour and

1:28:58and where i got to that place what i was saying in the beginning that

1:29:04relationship with god that that i didn’t i didn’t have that honest and pure relationship

1:29:10and now i can i can say i mean i’m not there yet where i want to be

1:29:16but i know god in a way that i’ve never known him before and i would go through this all over

1:29:24again if i knew that that that this would be the end result

1:29:30and i mean i know there’s i’m not even there yet there’s much more that i can learn about who god is and

1:29:36how who yeshua is and that is what it’s all about it’s

1:29:41you know it’s i know all these information it’s interesting and and people who do not know about this

1:29:48it’s it’s it’s interesting and and exciting to hear about this mermaid stuff and and

1:29:55and the cloning and and that and i understand that but for me that has never been

1:30:02what it is about for me it’s been that my life can glorify god and can

1:30:08glorify yeshua and if that means that i had to

1:30:14get to that horrible knowledge of what it meant for me to become a mermaid

1:30:20what i had to do what i had to go through um

1:30:26that that is you do that you do it not because you want to because

1:30:32but because you have to because otherwise you won’t be able to

1:30:37to um let your life truly be in for god’s honor

1:30:46how amanda

1:30:53yeah dan i think i think chris has explained it very well um what i what i’d like to

1:31:00just underline is we have found through the years and i mean this was our own journey too

1:31:07is that many times you don’t know what to do with the parts you really don’t know how to bring the

1:31:13healing and when you do integration and you know what happens in the process because

1:31:20there’s so much so many layering so many parts and anyway so

1:31:25um when the lord showed us that if you don’t get to the baby there’s no closure so let’s say for

1:31:33example chris’s adult parts her extension parts would come forward

1:31:38and um you know some queen or some witch or whatever part would present

1:31:44and then um we would have a conversation you know and i’d say well um you know

1:31:50you you’re not really a queen and she’d be very upset and then i’d explain

1:31:56that you you belong to a human body you connected with through the silver cord and um we would go through the whole

1:32:03process and eventually i’d explain to you you’re tied up in second heaven and um you’ve

1:32:10been deceived and you’ve been you’re serving a loser and um you know that when you go to battle

1:32:18um who sends who sends a woman first who sends a whole woman army into

1:32:24battle first and and and the main guy he’s at the back because he’s a womp

1:32:30he’s too afraid to go first i said to god i serve yeshua

1:32:35he rides first he takes the battle he he he heads up you know he’s the he’s

1:32:42the captain of the hosts he rides ahead he doesn’t use human shields and

1:32:48why why does satan send you you to go and fight for him you know anyway

1:32:54we we talked this through and then looks like wow you know that’s true um so

1:33:00anyway we get to a point where we say okay third heaven is yeshua feel the frequency and second

1:33:08heaven and feel the death it’s totally a different frequency and then um yeshua would come introduce

1:33:15himself you know whatever the lord does but you lead this part um you know

1:33:21to you sure you you show the deception and this part actually has to make up

1:33:27their own mind it’s their own free will choice and then they say okay no i don’t want to serve a loser i don’t want to be

1:33:34you know um are used as a human shield i i don’t want to be lied to you anymore

1:33:40this is enough so then i say okay what you have to do is lay all your weapons

1:33:45everything your ranking your armor your weapons your accolades

1:33:52your pips whatever it is that you’ve received getting where you are you’re going to

1:33:57put it all at the feet of yeshua are you prepared to do that yeah sure so then they lay it down you

1:34:03know take off the robes the mantles the rings the whatever it is who you know in their

1:34:10position put it at the feet of yeshua and then i say okay are you prepared that yeshua

1:34:15burns it with his fire now because it’s no going back yep no okay we’ll do that

1:34:21so now they’ve accepted yeshua and a lot of councillors stopped there

1:34:28and they don’t they if you stop there then you have so much humanity because

1:34:34you’ve you’ve got a whole timeline that you’ve worked with now but you only were taking the

1:34:40adult part that is that is such a little bit of the full timeline and you’re leading that

1:34:48part to yeshua and you’re saying i’m done now and that’s the old way that’s what we

1:34:53used to do but you can’t stop there and that’s where the lord showed us that you’ve got

1:35:00to you’ve got to take from age of the body so chris is 34

1:35:05so at least she doesn’t have more stars at least you know the higher the stars the more difficult

1:35:11it is to undo all the layers and so so chris is only 34 hallelujah so now we

1:35:18go age of the body 34 all the parts who know yeshua come come together now go with yeshua the

1:35:26the christian presenter as well and that you go to 26 year old which is

1:35:31the wife down to 13 year old which is the mother now now we go and we’re going

1:35:37to find the baby this is the baby where you come from so of course in the beginning

1:35:42it’s difficult i can’t believe it i don’t come from a baby so we all come from a baby so we have to

1:35:49find the baby because they’ve done something to the baby to make you this queen that is sitting on the top of

1:35:57the tower of babel that is birthing all this you doing all the dirty work for the for

1:36:02for the cult for the new world order for the illuminati you are birthing all of the stuff all

1:36:08over the world through the portals you doing the dirty work but to get you to that position as queen

1:36:15you started as a baby so if we don’t find the baby we’re not going to get closure

1:36:21and and i have i’ve done this with so many survivors and they all

1:36:26tell you the same story that if you leave them just there as an adult and you don’t bring closure

1:36:33to the whole timeline they they still hanging and they are

1:36:38still accessible the enemy can still access them and use them in the cult

1:36:44and so you take that so you gather up all of them and then you get down to the

1:36:50new birth identity where the key is because that’s where yeshua is and that’s where the promise is because

1:36:57it was because of his promise i will never leave you that’s why we can work in this

1:37:02in this ministry and and we are able to do the deliverance because of him

1:37:07because of what yeshua has done because the price jesus paid because of his blood

1:37:12and so you you then you go back to conception right back to conception identity why

1:37:19because at conception identity they were one they were the one god made originally

1:37:24before trauma they were one before there was dust the gold dust that went all over

1:37:30through the trauma before that they were one and that starts at conception identity

1:37:36and so we gather up conception identity the time of being frozen the time of

1:37:41being scattered all over going in the motherships going in the craft

1:37:46going into the um into the portals you gather up gather up gather up

1:37:52and from conception identity bring it forward into new birth and from age of the body bring it down

1:37:58down down down down you know 26 13 year old dumped your new birth

1:38:03so now we’re all standing around new birth identity now we say okay you see the baby

1:38:12this is where you come from it’s your timeline you ended up as the queen over babylon but the baby

1:38:20what did they do with the baby you wait because this is the key you have to give

1:38:26lots of time here you must be patient and then if they can’t see

1:38:31we pray yeshua open show them the baby show draw the curtain open shine your

1:38:37light let them see the baby and normally the baby’s in a state of death um the baby is the eyes of the babies

1:38:44closed um i had the one baby just in the week that i was ministering

1:38:50to a client that her baby was in flames was just flames

1:38:57but the adult was working with the power of the phoenix

1:39:03can you see the timeline connection so you’ve got the phoenix with the adult

1:39:08working in power of the fire with with the phoenix but you’ve got the baby

1:39:15burning in fire the whole time so i explained to you i said while you are the queen at the top with all the

1:39:21power on the other side of the id is the one in constant 24 7

1:39:28pain and suffering you have the power because the baby was suffering

1:39:34and then we go and we release the baby and then i ask yeshua to to take the baby and to throw living

1:39:41water over the the flames to quench those the flames or the one the one was um

1:39:48a queen that was of the underworld and in the water

1:39:53and she had a crown on her head and we tried to take she tried to take the crown off to put it at the feet of

1:39:59yeshua she couldn’t get it off and then she i said okay how many spokes are around

1:40:06the crown how many spikes do you have she said eight

1:40:12i said okay so those are the queens that serve you yes so i said you nine in your cluster

1:40:19you know yes when we eventually got to the baby

1:40:24the baby had an octopus on the head and had kept the baby in the in the

1:40:31under in the water grave while she was the queen

1:40:37in the waters with a crown but there was an octopus that was actually with the eight

1:40:44legs it was the eight spokes and and the brain of the octopus was was the main

1:40:50crown so it is fascinating you know i can give you so many examples

1:40:57of working on timelines you get the adult whatever queen or whatever they

1:41:03represent follow that timeline down down down and find the baby and see what have

1:41:09they done with that baby and when yeshua blesses the baby and he brings the baby back to life

1:41:17and and the and the adult part that’s now just accepted yeshua takes that baby

1:41:24and picks up the baby and i say this is you this is where you come from and they take the baby and they push the

1:41:31baby against their heart and i say that’s where the baby belongs

1:41:37because you separated from the baby ask the baby’s forgiveness you went off and became a queen while

1:41:43the baby was suffering all the time now you hold that baby

1:41:49and and and every time press you can just quickly share here but what happens is when you hold that baby

1:41:56integration of the whole timeline takes place and uh and the cult has lost their hold

1:42:04no more did drd of that timeline is over they’ve integrated

1:42:12they’ve become one and no more access and so that’s why you’ve got to do a

1:42:18timeline after timeline of the timeline whoever represents as an adult you have

1:42:24to farm the baby otherwise there’s no closure and chris maybe you can explain

1:42:30being stuck just knowing jesus but not getting to the baby

1:42:38yeah i think that is just um it’s that moment where as um

1:42:46as the adult in the did systems for example the queen

1:42:52really needs to get to a place where she wants to see where she comes from and

1:42:58it’s always yeshua who does that it’s i know that i have been in a discussion with amanda

1:43:07you know i could we could be discussing for 20 or 30 minutes or even longer and then at some point

1:43:13amanda would be just like you know what we just ask yeshua and and

1:43:20and then yeshua would just come in with his wisdom or he would show something

1:43:27and then this this queen in me would see the baby and would know

1:43:34this is where i come from and if i want to stay in touch with yeshua

1:43:42i have to go back to this baby because yeshua is with this baby because

1:43:49and that is something that that got me every time again it’s it’s that queen that walked

1:43:55away from the baby and and from yeshua and yeshua he he loves the whole system

1:44:03so he he shows up and he talks to the queen but he tells the queen he doesn’t say

1:44:10the baby he doesn’t say to the baby you have to become the queen

1:44:16he says to the queen you humble yourself

1:44:21and you get on your knees and hold that baby and take care of that baby

1:44:27and and and then when they are uh closer to to each other what i

1:44:33always would say it’s like as if i would be in this queen part of

1:44:39myself it’s like i would see this hole in my heart it would look like a keyhole

1:44:45and that little baby would exactly have the shape of that

1:44:51hole in my heart and and yeshua would show me this baby

1:44:58belongs in your heart but you are the only one who can take it and put it there you

1:45:04have to do it and and that is how how i

1:45:09as this queen would be able to go down and i mean it takes time it’s it’s you have to learn this it’s not easy but

1:45:16eventually i would always be able to pick up that baby and put it in my heart and that is where

1:45:22that timeline becomes one one time one

1:45:31history and and they do this with many queens what i said there are many timelines but

1:45:37um there is an end to it it’s not something that you will do eternally but

1:45:43yeah that’s so good that is so good um wow

1:45:52priscilla amanda i want to thank you for taking the time to sit down with me uh drop some knowledge

1:46:00i i really appreciate the both of you and i know our listening audience does too even if

1:46:06they are still trying to figure out what they just heard and thinking how many times am i

1:46:11have to press replay on this one to get it all in

1:46:17that’s why we do a podcast you can listen to this as many times as you want

1:46:22folks i um so appreciate you guys and uh by the way folks amanda and her husband have a

1:46:29website kananministries.org k-a-n-a-a-n ministries dot org that you

1:46:37can check out if you want to see what they have available in so far as tools and resources and with that said

1:46:46guys until next time god bless

1:46:51and godspeed

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Dan Duval Interview – The Testimony of Priscilla featuring Amanda Buys

[1c] Twinned and Raised by Nephilim: The Testimony of Priscilla featuring Amanda Buys

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This week on Discovering Truth we are welcoming back Priscilla and Amanda Buys, this time Priscilla will share her testimony. Daniel will talk about regions of captivity and give prayer materials to come against connections to constellations and earth systems. Amanda explains the experience of witnessing the torment symbiotic bonds had on Priscilla. Priscilla will be expressing her strong desire to want to know God intimately… don’t miss this show!

TRIGGER WARNING: This is not a program for the faint of heart, nor is it one that you will want to miss if you can handle the truth. There will be a few graphic descriptions. This podcast will contain information about subjects that may be difficult or inappropriate for some audiences including young children.

About Amanda Buys:

Amanda and her husband, Roly, have been working in the areas of deliverance and satanic ritual abuse (SRA) for many years and have compiled an impressive assortment of tools and prayers that have helped thousands around the planet.

About Priscilla:

Priscilla is a survivor of satanic ritual abuse (SRA) who is on her own healing journey with Jesus. She has had encounters with Nephilim and has a wide knowledge of the deep, dark secrets of the occult world. Her testimony about being a mermaid and Jesus’ healing are truly eye-opening and powerful.

Expect to hear Amanda and Priscilla talk about:

• The “5 I Wills” in Isaiah being a part of a ritual to choose to serve Satan
• The duplication of babies to be used for sacrifices, rituals, or switching
• The cult using frozen embryos for artificial wombs and surrogates
• The mind of Satan is over many members of the cult for them to continue doing evil
• The nephilims being put into the womb with fetuses to make them spiritually sensitive
• The rituals that the cult uses to build up pre-Adamic iniquity
• The swap between Priscilla and her twin sister at age four
• The symbiotic bond between Priscilla’s sister caused her to relive the sacrifice
• The traumatic experiences throughout the process of being conceived and being birthed

And so many more truths…

Truths from the Podcast:

1. “The reason why I’m saying this is that for my conception, for example, and the conception of other survivors that I have come to know over the last years. Some of those conceptions go back to the late 40’s or mid-40’s. Where they were frozen and put into a blue bowl and just kept in a frozen state. And something that is really important to consider is that sometimes people have memories that are before their lifetime. For example, I am 34-years-old, in my body, my body is 34-years-old. But because my conception was way before that, I can have memories that do not make sense to me. That I’m like well, I wasn’t there when Mengele died, yet I seem to have memories of it? I wasn’t there when Queen Elizabeth was coronated, yet I seem to have memories of it. Like my spirit memories… so when you have people that are talking about these kinds of things, it is possible because you were in a frozen state.” Priscilla
2. Referenced materials: Priscilla shared this link about a Baby girl born from record-setting 27-year-old embryo – BBC News (bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55164607).
3. “I’ve had other survivors report to me that when they killed the baby, they were wearing jewels, inherited jewels. Like the “family jewels”, so I said “oh? Is it the Romanov’s?” because Anastasia in 1944 Hitler Project… the jewels that she was wearing are the Romanov jewels. And every little 13-year-old in that bloodline, part of that project, would put on the jewels at thirteen. It’s rings, it’s very expensive diamonds, gold and so this little 13-year-old is dressed up. And its ballroom, and you’ve got ballroom gowns, and its people in the upper stairs watching this whole thing like a theatre and she’s being led down these steps with all these jewels. And then as she kills, she’s got to kill in such a way that there’s lots of blood. That the blood splashes onto the jewels so that she’s the next generation that is in line; that is hating God, that makes a choice against God, that is part of the antichrist system. And it is so important that the jewels have to be splashed with blood, and that then gives her that authority and the ranking. For her then to move into the adulthood of starting to hurt other children, killing, assassins, whatever the assignment is, but they move them into being very, very dangerous. Attacking, they have been trained so well to attack ministries, to come into our bedrooms, to teleport and come in and do their thing, to come and attack you. So, they are so well trained, so the 13-year-old is key. It’s probably of the last parts that you get to so then you know when you’ve reached the 13-year-old because she’s the most hidden, she’s the most angry. And she is the ‘the mother’ that gives birth to the nephilim child.”  Amanda Buys
4. Prayers: You can find the two prayers Daniel mentioned, Freedom from Constellations and Freedom from Earth Systems, at the Deliverance Portal (deliverance.bridemovement.com).
5. “Years ago, we discovered that we had to get people untethered from constellations. But shortly after that I realized I have to get people delivered from jet streams, from physical locations around the world that they’ve never traveled to in the natural. It’s a quantum entanglement that involves the DNA…what you’re bringing up is a key, because this is actually how this bondage was instated in people. And it makes me wonder just how many people may be the subject of what you are talking about. That they are an egg that is not planted for years and years, ritualized only to be planted at an important time so that the power of the iniquity can be multiplied prior to birth.” Daniel Duval
6. Keys scriptures from the show: Philippians 1:6 and Isaiah 14:13-14.

About Discovering Truth:

Discovering Truth with Dan Duval is a weekly podcast that was launched in 2012. It began as an investigation into conspiracy, the developing New World Order, and subjects related to end-times Bible prophecy.

Over the years, it has evolved to include a strong outreach to survivors suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) due to satanic ritual abuse (SRA) and government-sponsored mind control. This program also exposes the Illuminati from the inside out, featuring many testimonies of Illuminati defectors. In addition, there is a huge focus on the Kingdom of God, victorious living, inner healing, and deliverance.

New episodes are released every Thursday on our website, YouTube, BlogTalk Radio, iTunes, and many other websites.

More from Amanda Buys & Priscilla:

We’ve been left on another cliffhanger! Be on the lookout for the rest of Priscilla’s story… Stay tuned!

For any other resources or materials that you would like to find from Amanda, visit her website at kanaanministries.org. You can also listen to her previous podcasts on Discovering Truth:

SRA, Spirit Children, and Victory in Christ with Amanda Buys

The Hitler Project, Hybrids and Kabbalah with Amanda Buys

Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 1

Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 2

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Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 4

Links

[1] Twinned and Raised by Nephilim: The Testimony of Priscilla featuring Amanda Buys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i90SulXbIn4

[1c] Twinned and Raised by Nephilim: The Testimony of Priscilla featuring Amanda Buys https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Twinned-and-Raised-by-Nephilim_-The-Testimony-of-Priscilla-featuring-Amanda-Buys-i90SulXbIn4:2

[2] https://bridemovement.com/twinned-and-raised-by-nephilim-the-testimony-of-priscilla-featuring-amanda-buys

17 Dec 2020Introducing… Priscilla’s Story This week on Discovering Truth we are welcoming back Priscilla and Amanda Buys, this time Priscilla will share her testimony. Daniel will talk about regions of captivity and give prayer materials to come against connections to constellations and earth systems. Amanda explains the experience of witnessing the torment symbiotic bonds had on Priscilla. Priscilla will be expressing her strong desire to want to know God intimately… don’t miss this show! TRIGGER WARNING: This is not a program for the faint of heart, nor is it one that you will want to miss if you can handle the truth. There will be a few graphic descriptions. This podcast will contain information about subjects that may be difficult or inappropriate for some audiences including young children. About Amanda Buys: Amanda and her husband, Roly, have been working in the areas of deliverance and satanic ritual abuse (SRA) for many years and have compiled an impressive assortment of tools and prayers that have helped thousands around the planet. About Priscilla: Priscilla is a survivor of satanic ritual abuse (SRA) who is on her own healing journey with Jesus. She has had encounters with Nephilim and has a wide knowledge of the deep, dark secrets of the occult world. Her testimony about being a mermaid and Jesus’ healing are truly eye-opening and powerful. Expect to hear Amanda and Priscilla talk about: • The “5 I Wills” in Isaiah being a part of a ritual to choose to serve Satan • The duplication of babies to be used for sacrifices, rituals, or switching • The cult using frozen embryos for artificial wombs and surrogates • The mind of Satan is over many members of the cult for them to continue doing evil • The nephilim being put into the womb with fetuses to make them spiritually sensitive • The rituals that the cult uses to build up pre-Adamic iniquity • The swap between Priscilla and her twin sister at age four • The symbiotic bond between Priscilla’s sister caused her to relive the sacrifice • The traumatic experiences throughout the process of being conceived and being birthed And so many more truths… Truths from the Podcast: 1. “The reason why I’m saying this is that for my conception, for example, and the conception of other survivors that I have come to know over the last years. Some of those conceptions go back to the late 40’s or mid-40’s. Where they were frozen and put into a blue bowl and just kept in a frozen state. And something that is really important to consider is that sometimes people have memories that are before their lifetime. For example, I am 34-years-old, in my body, my body is 34-years-old. But because my conception was way before that, I can have memories that do not make sense to me. That I’m like well, I wasn’t there when Mengele died, yet I seem to have memories of it? I wasn’t there when Queen Elizabeth was coronated, yet I seem to have memories of it. Like my spirit memories… so when you have people that are talking about these kinds of things, it is possible because you were in a frozen state.” Priscilla 2. Referenced materials: Priscilla shared this link about a Baby girl born from record-setting 27-year-old embryo – BBC News (bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55164607). 3. Prayers: You can find the two prayers Daniel mentioned, Freedom from Constellations and Freedom from Earth Systems, at the Deliverance Portal (deliverance.bridemovement.com). 4. Keys scriptures from the show: Philippians 1:6 and Isaiah 14:13-14. About Discovering Truth: Discovering Truth with Dan Duval is a weekly podcast that was launched in 2012. It began as an investigation into conspiracy, the developing New World Order, and subjects related to end-times Bible prophecy. Over the years, it has evolved to include a strong outreach to survivors suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) due to satanic ritual abuse (SRA) and government-sponsored mind control. This program also exposes the Illuminati from the inside out, featuring many testimonies of Illuminati defectors. In addition, there is a huge focus on the Kingdom of God, victorious living, inner healing, and deliverance. New episodes are released every Thursday on our website, YouTube, BlogTalk Radio, iTunes, and many other websites. More from Amanda Buys & Priscilla: We’ve been left on another cliffhanger! Be on the lookout for the rest of Priscilla’s story… Stay tuned! For any other resources or materials that you would like to find from Amanda, visit her website at kanaanministries.org. You can also listen to her previous podcasts on Discovering Truth: SRA, Spirit Children, and Victory in Christ with Amanda Buys The Hitler Project, Hybrids and Kabbalah with Amanda Buys Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 1 Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 2 Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 3 Merfolk, Underwater Kingdoms, and the Mysteries of the Deep Part 4

ou’re listening to discovering truth with dan duvall

0:19folks it is my pleasure to make available to you another episode of

0:26discovering truth with dan deval featuring my friends priscilla from

0:33the netherlands and amanda byes from south africa and guys we have

0:39uh had an a whole series of podcasts together this year and you guys have enjoyed them and let us

0:46know about it and i am going to encourage anyone that’s listening to this like wait a

0:52minute who are these friends priscilla and amanda i haven’t heard about them go back into our archives

0:57broadmovement.com we have a podcast page where you can search all of our podcasts you can put

1:04in mermaid because that’s what we were talking about we were talking about mermaids we were talking about the fact

1:11that priscilla the person i am sitting down with today in the time of her service to the

1:18kingdom of darkness could shape-shift into a mermaid go into the deep areas of the sea and did all kinds of

1:24missions and assignments which we’ve already discussed and so be sure to hear

1:29all of that now today uh priscilla and amanda are joining me

1:35again because we are going to be talking about priscilla’s life a lot of you have asked

1:41what kind of a life does a person live in order to get to the level of

1:47darkness that priscilla was delivered from uh how is it that she

1:53was raised by nephilim for parents but how do we connect the dots

1:58on her conception because we kind of dropped knowledge bombs along the way

2:05but didn’t connect the dots and so that is what we are here to do today and and by the way

2:10amanda buys and her husband they operate canaan ministries out of south africa that’s k-a-n-a-a-n ministries and

2:18uh they are doing an amazing job with survivors they have made so many prayer

2:25resources and teaching materials available to help people and have blessed countless lives and so we’re very

2:31excited about everything that they continue to do in the name of jesus so uh priscilla welcome back to

2:37discovering truth thanks dan it’s really great to be back again

2:43amanda it is so good to have you back on the show thank you then it’s good it’s really

2:50very good to see that’s your journey to journey together and to learn and to share what we learn it’s great

2:57it’s really a blessing and a privilege well i’ll tell you what guys one of the

3:03things that i appreciate about priscilla and amanda is that before these podcasts they always supply me with pictures

3:10and this helps with the storytelling and so you know priscilla as we get into your

3:16story and tying some of these pieces of your incredible

3:21testimony together you’ve given me this picture that works as a bit of a timeline and so i’m going to

3:29just go ahead and put that up and let you start walking us into this understanding

3:36yeah thanks thanks then um yeah it is really extremely hard

3:42to give a testimony about everything that has happened in in

3:50in my life just because that because they program you and they split

3:57you in so many people it’s it’s like i have

4:02you know like 10 lifetimes inside of one body and it’s it’s such a story and

4:10and i mean all honor and praise goes to god because he is the one who

4:16has been able to make sense of it and who still makes sense of it because you know for me sometimes i

4:22i often don’t even understand my own story um where i’m trying to to put the pieces together and

4:30god is faithful but when it’s it’s that scripture is just one sentence in

4:36philippians i think that when god starts something he finishes it

4:41and and i have seen that happening in my life uh every time again he is faithful and

4:49and he um helps us um to walk the path not just me but other

4:55survivors as well so when you told me about the request of of some of the listeners

5:01uh to to uh connect the dots i was like okay where do i start

5:07and i you know at some point the light just went on i was like well why

5:12don’t we just start from the beginning and i just go through through it and amanda will just jump in

5:19uh when when she feels i’m forgetting something or i have to add something and um we have a dear friend her name

5:27her name is ellie and she she has done some awesome pictures i

5:33already showed a few the last time she really has a gift of drawing and not

5:39just drawing beautiful and nice pictures but she she draws the awful stuff

5:44and she does it you know she has gone through it herself and god has given her the gift to to

5:51draw it so i’ve taken a few pictures of her actually um that we go through

5:57but this first picture is a timeline where um where you see

6:04how the life of a survivor um basically is being drawn out and i

6:12thought this is a good place to start because um you know in the cold

6:19and when i refer to the cult i i i mean it can be the new world or the new world

6:25order the illuminati however you want to call it but my my name for it is the cult so

6:32when they um [Music] when they work on survivors or their

6:38projects it’s it’s their protocols and

6:43and um even though i am a unique person and god has made me

6:49uniquely to the code i’m just a project or a number and i go through protocols in in my life

6:57and many survivors will recognize these protocols

7:02that i have went through as well and so when when i’m telling this story

7:08probably a lot of people went through the same things as i went through they they recognize uh some of the things

7:14that that i will talk about so you see a few

7:20um pictures here of course you start with the conception

7:25and it goes all the way back to where you see just the stars of 65 years old

7:32and every star signifies a seal so

7:39from you see from 13 years old you see the stars one star two stars and then

7:44three four and five stars this is this is where you get sealed

7:49into um a next level um of authority or becoming higher up

7:56in in them in the cold also as a nephilim mother so i will get back

8:02to that later so to start with conception

8:08um i i sent you a link that i just want to for your listeners

8:15to get out there as well um this was released on the on the news yesterday

8:23this is um this is on the bbc you can find it on other websites as well

8:29um this baby was conceived 27 years ago

8:38and she was um put on ice frozen and 27 years later

8:46she was uh implanted in a um womb of um

8:54of a woman obviously and um and born and this is groundbreaking news because

9:01this is the world record for how long a embryo has been frozen and still

9:08um uh able to to to get to a living baby now

9:15the reason why i want to show this is that this is done with technology that has

9:21been released to our society and the technology that we see and and you

9:29know that then and it’s old it’s it the technology that we

9:34see is at least 30 years old so just imagine that 30 years ago

9:40they were already able to freeze an embryo and and and put it on ice and have it

9:46been born later on think of how old that technology was then so

9:55they have been able to do this for quite a while and the reason why i’m saying this is

10:01that for my conception for example and and conception of other survivors that i

10:08have come to know over the last years some of those conceptions go back

10:14to the late 40s and um it dead or mid-40s even where

10:21where it um where they were frozen and and put into

10:27a a blue bowl and and just kept in a frozen state

10:33and that is something that is really important to

10:40consider that sometimes people have memories that are from before their lifetime so

10:47for example i’m i’m 34 years old in my like in my body my body is 34 years old

10:55but because my conception was way before that i can have memories

11:01that do not make sense to me that i’m like well i i wasn’t

11:08there when mengele died yet i seem to have memories of it i wasn’t there when

11:16queen elizabeth was was coronated is that a good word yet i seem

11:23to have memories of it like my spirit memories and and

11:28um so when you have people that are talking about these kind of

11:34things it is possible because because they’re what you were in

11:39a frozen state and i i put a picture it’s picture number two i think um

11:45that has the frozen ball that um well the ball isn’t frozen but inside is the is the frozen embryo

11:54yeah this is conception and then this just after conception this is how i experienced it this kind

12:01of um it it felt as if i was put into a blue kind of bowl that was

12:08highly charged and it was both it was both freezing and burning

12:14at the same time it was a very very weird experience and the

12:22the interesting thing is that we all have a beginning

12:29and and we know that conception is the moment that that the spirit of

12:35a human being is assigned to to the sperm and oven that that just

12:42have become a person and so i consider

12:49that to be my beginning my my conception but my conception

12:57you know when they use ivf and things like that they they do this

13:04it’s not a circumstance where a a man and a woman love each other and they have

13:10intercourse and a baby is born out of or created out of love this is very much

13:17thought about thought through and they have this bloodline combined with

13:23dust plotline and they put it together and the moment conception takes place

13:31a huge ritual will happen and that ritual will download

13:38all the iniquity of those bloodlines that that go back all the way to

13:46to came like back to the fall they will they will that is how they select the bloodlines

13:51because if you want to if they want to create high level

13:57um programmed people they they work on the bloodline

14:05so they they select the these bloodlines have been have been um

14:11how do you say that um selected all through the years and and

14:18um and with this bloodline

14:24all the iniquity is being downloaded on this like few cells it’s just a few cells

14:31that that was just created and you can imagine that this is really

14:37traumatic for for this these few cells

14:42and what happens at that moment and this is really important to understand

14:48for survivors but also for counselors when this happens there is already

14:55a lot of shattering happening because you were not meant as a person

15:02as a just created few cells to get all these iniquities downloaded

15:10upon you so when i look back to this in my spirit and and um and i see what happened what

15:18i see is i see as if there is a huge explosion of star like stardust or gold

15:25dust and it’s my my spirit that just entered my body

15:31was just shattered in in in this huge amount of dust

15:38and they take that dust and they assign it to different places

15:43they assigned us to different dimensions to different uh places on the earth and they

15:50they use that for their own purposes and um and the spirit

15:58that is still attached to to the cells that grows further along

16:05with the body but already a big part of that spirit has been shattered and they

16:13so this is very important to understand that that is how they could do so many things

16:20with a person because they already have a lot of the humanity of of of me in this case

16:29and um so as you go from conception

16:36depending on how many years you you stay in that frozen state you you are being brought to rituals you’re being

16:43um like they use their crafts the one that we already talked about before

16:49and they bring you to all these places and they are rituals and more of that dust is being released

16:57over those places and because you know your spirit isn’t made to go

17:04through this and and so it just shatters and um so

17:12that is how they attach humanity of me in this case

17:18to certain places on the earth so if we talk about antarctica how how

17:25did i know where to find antarctica when i was first dropped in the ocean

17:31it was i just went to find my humanity i knew something of me was there so i

17:37followed it and that’s where i got and this is how that is how i got there

17:43can i just add one thing yeah sure uh i okay i’m gonna pose this as a

17:50question do you think this also includes locations

17:56off planet as well such as rituals on the dark side of the moon titan moon of

18:02saturn other significant locations in other galaxies for instance orion maybe

18:11yeah well i mean that’s a good rhetorical question it’s i mean obviously yes that’s where they

18:17where they put that um because part of humanity part of your humanity

18:24is being stuck to those places and and it make it’s it’s part of me

18:33so when they so let’s say they put a um

18:41let’s say part of my humanity is attached to the dark side of the moon and they want

18:47me to go there what they would do is they would kind of like

18:52activate that part of my humanity as if it’s a little light shining in the darkness

18:58and the only thing i would have to do is is is follow it and go to there because that

19:04is it’s part of me so it’s so easy for me to go there that that is how how they do it

19:12and does that answer your question you know and this is an interesting

19:17thing priscilla and i’m just going to let you continue this is so fascinating years ago we discovered

19:23that we had to get people untethered from constellations right but shortly after that i realized

19:31i have to get people untethered from jet streams from physical locations around the world

19:36that they’re telling me they’ve never traveled to in the natural life and it’s it’s a quantum entanglement

19:43it involves the dna i have two prayers in this book prayers that shake heaven and earth freedom from constellations and another

19:49one called freedom from earth systems and i have seen

19:55extraordinary i mean i i use freedom from earth systems almost as often as i

20:00eat lunch i mean it’s just every day i’m seeing this prayer setting people

20:06free from stuff and uh what you’re bringing up is a key because it’s actually

20:14how this bondage wasn’t stated in people and it makes me wonder just how many

20:22people may be the subject of what you’re talking about in that they are

20:27a an egg that that that is not implanted for years and years

20:34ritualized only to be implanted at an appointed time so that the power and the iniquity can

20:39be multiplied prior to you know birth and so

20:44please continue oh that that’s true what you’re saying and um actually before we ever met

20:52before um with amanda i went through a few counseling sessions where i prayed

21:00through the freedom from constellations prayer um i already bought the book then and um

21:09it was powerful for me to i had a powerful release in the beginning i could hardly

21:14speak it out loud like i really had to um work through it through that prayer a

21:21couple times actually and so yeah that was a big blessing actually

21:27so thank you but um so yeah that is that is how they

21:33um attach you to places on the earth places outside of the earth dimensions and

21:40um but then there comes a time when they feel it’s right for you to

21:47to be put um into a um artificial womb or a human womb

21:54and um well that obviously comes with trauma as well i already

22:00talked about that the last time with the with the artificial wombs and how they

22:06installed the artificial energy system you know the alpha omega

22:12chakra so a lot of rituals and and things happen over those um in the

22:19time that you’re being uh grown in in a in the womb and um

22:28what is also um interesting about this is that

22:34especially when you’re um in a in a artificial womb i’m not sure how it

22:40works in a human womb but what they would do is they they sometimes implant you

22:49with a with another fetus but this is not always a

22:56human fetus so for my in my example what i know

23:03is that i was um [Music] they put me together with a nephilim um

23:10inside so already from that moment while you’re growing

23:16you’re you have to fight for your life not just because of all the experiments that they’re doing

23:22on you but also because there is something in that same area where you’re trying to

23:28to stay alive that is trying to to kill you to to eat you or whatever it’s trying

23:36to do and and they do it on purpose because they give that hybrid or whatever it is they give

23:42it an assignment it’s not it’s it’s not necessarily there to kill you

23:48but it’s there to push you to to already get your fighting system

23:55out because you’re fighting uh against this thing all the time and it makes you

24:02spiritually very sensitive because this hybrid is loaded with with uh entities that it that

24:10that it’s connected to so you’re already working on this spiritual level when

24:16you’re you’re not even born yet so that is where survivors

24:23are are so sensitive to the spirit world often it’s because you know you’re

24:29being grown into that into that world and um and then when you when you get

24:38born when my my birth was very traumatic and i every survivor’s um

24:46birth is very traumatic um i remember that i started to get these memories

24:53back and and later on i would talk to other survivors or i heard other stories

25:00and and it was like it’s so weird because yes my story is unique

25:08but then i would hear another survivor and it was like that that’s what happened to

25:14me you know and and there are yes there are different details but it’s kind of the

25:21same so what they did with me is i was i was

25:27in a in an artificial room but then they placed me in a um in a woman that had just

25:35given birth with a c-section and they put me back in and

25:42this woman was bleeding to death and they basically i just had to

25:49fight my way to crawl out of this dying woman so what i was experiencing

25:56the life flowing away of this woman i was trying to not die myself

26:03and um and and i had to crawl out of this this place and when

26:12i survived that what happened is i don’t ask me how they do is made but

26:17maybe maybe somebody knows how they do this but they do like a quick um

26:26somehow you know they crack open the ribs and they they get a lot of the flesh and stuff

26:32away or the organs they get them away and that has been my for like the

26:37first few months of my life so i had to um yeah

26:44like that was my grip so that was you get

26:51very um bonded with death and and

26:58and um everything that that happens around that like the the the things you

27:05smell the things you the spiritual stuff that happens and

27:10that was very traumatic when i got to these memories and i think

27:16amanda remembers that probably pretty well because the body memories were

27:21were pretty intense and um yeah it was it wasn’t pretty um

27:31and you know the reason you wonder why do they do this what’s what’s why

27:39and the conclusion that i got it’s it’s

27:44they have the mind of satan and and everything that that god

27:51has thought of that a human being should experience in a good way

27:58and being safe and and being welcome and being uh loved

28:04it’s it’s he took it and did the opposite and and and that is what what happened

28:10with with me and people like me so um it’s just

28:17part of what they do and it’s it’s part of the conditioning that you go

28:23through as you as you grow up in the cult because not everything is programming

28:31and that that maybe that doesn’t make sense but you

28:36know you cannot program a person if there has not been

28:42proper conditioning so they condition

28:47a baby to to not be able to to make good bonding

28:53proper bonding only trauma bonding and and bonding to to the wrong people because if

29:01if a if if you as a baby learn how to bond in a good way

29:07then the programming will not be as strong it it will be it will be a lot weaker

29:14because it gives you strength to have proper bonding to to be able to be assertive for example

29:20and um if you if they they condition you

29:28in in your emotions not not crying in your anger in in um

29:35knowing that it doesn’t why would i cry nothing is gonna i’m only getting punished if i cry so why would i cry

29:43so if if they condition you in that way once they start programming you they

29:48will have a much stronger foundation to work from so that is what happened the first

29:57first year one and a half year of of of uh after i was born it’s it’s the

30:03conditioning it’s horrific conditions that is the also the time that i lived with the

30:09nephilim um there are different places on the earth

30:14where there are nephilim cities call it that way um

30:21we talked about antarctica already and and um uh under the temple mount in jerusalem

30:28is such a place and um growing up with with this is

30:36um it’s truly i think the most horrific thing that you

30:42can go through as a human being because it it goes it’s beyond torture

30:50it’s you know torture has a beginning and an end usually but living with the nephilim

30:57it is you’re living with beings that are not human

31:02that have no conscience that have a deep deep hatred towards everything that

31:08represents or that looks like god almighty which includes humans

31:14and um and they they are

31:22um how do you say that their emotions because i know a lot of people seem to

31:29think that hybrids or nephilim they don’t have emotions

31:34but i strongly disagree with that because they have emotions that

31:44are um

31:50no human should ever ever be subject to their emotions because

31:56it’s it’s pure satanic they have satanic hatred

32:01satanic rage satanic um uh how do you say that disgust

32:09and and it’s it’s not on a human level that they have these emotions and

32:16and as a human being exposed to this is is very traumatic and very the only

32:23way for me to survive was to become

32:28a nephilim so in my mind i i decided that i can’t be a human

32:36i i shouldn’t be a human because i will not survive this if if i’m a

32:42human and and that is where i just decided to to to be a nephilim and when i get to

32:50that sorry so i i just have to ask this question for all of the listeners

32:57from an outsider’s perspective do you exist as a baby

33:04living in a community in a house with a white picket fence or does the world not really know of

33:11your existence because you are in nephilim cities and basically kept underground

33:16so to speak yeah good question um so the answer is

33:24in a way it is logical but it’s also a bit crazy because when

33:31when you do i ivf right that’s the right word you don’t create just one one baby

33:38there’s not just there were more siblings that that had the same dna

33:45uh as i had it’s just that i was chosen to to um to be their project

33:54and they don’t dispose of the other siblings they use them for their own um for other purposes and one of these

34:02purposes is that um at some point the people that i was placed in

34:10in later life that i was that i knew to be my parents um one of my siblings

34:17was placed in there in my mother’s womb and um

34:24she was born around the same time as i was born except that she grew up in this what you

34:31say you know my parents were um

34:37in in in their front life they were normal people and christian people who

34:44were very young at that stage in their life and um and at some point

34:50when i was you know i was growing up with the nephilim my my sister was growing up with them

34:57and then at some point we were switched and um that was when i was

35:05about i was about four years old just

35:10just um around that time i was i was swept swiped i don’t know how you

35:17say that um swapped yes

35:23and um and and that is where i was um where my

35:30presenter was created by that time um the priscilla that that everybody

35:38was going to know and that part of me priscilla did not didn’t know

35:45anything about where where where i came from

35:50and that was the only way for me to survive in the normal world because i had to learn how to survive

35:58so um that is how how they do that so yes the first three

36:04and a half four years i’ve lived um without anybody’s knowledge that i

36:13even existed and after about three and a half four years

36:19they put me in the in in my parents house yeah so

36:26i have another question and then we’re gonna move down the story line

36:32because there’s similar dna in

36:39you and your sister is there a we could call it

36:46a psychic or a uh type of connection between

36:53you and her that allows her to be influenced by your torture and

37:01vice versa yes very yeah yeah that’s how it works

37:06exactly when we were

37:13swapped and what happened is she was sacrificed

37:22and her memories so far were downloaded in me

37:29so that i as the presenter front part who was going to live life

37:36now in this little country in europe um

37:43i had those memories but they didn’t really belong to me they were hers and

37:51what they because i had other siblings as well so over the years what happened i’m just

37:57skipping a few years now but over the years what would happen especially when

38:03i mean i would sometimes go through torture in my by going like a year ago and i would

38:10talk with amanda and i would say amanda i am dying i don’t know what is happening to me but

38:16it feels i’m spinning i’m being electrocuted what all these things and we would be

38:21praying and what’s going on and and lord revealed this to us and then amanda said well did

38:27you already check if this might have anything to do with the symbiotic bond with one of your siblings and then we

38:34would start praying and immediately we would we would uh address this and then

38:42the moment i would cut myself loose from this sibling things would start to ease and i

38:50wouldn’t be so much in so much pain anymore so yeah that’s really how they work

38:58i have a list of uh how do i call it uh

39:06relational entities that we address under certain circumstances

39:14due to the way that what they do and experience can influence people i’m

39:21working with i call them clones duplicates

39:27replicas derivatives replacements stand-ins twins actually have a longer

39:34list than that but twins are on the list and what you are describing i think will

39:41help some people a lot because i have language for stuff that i don’t have

39:47fully fleshed out explanations and uh what do you call case studies for i

39:54just know and um what you’re saying is really huge priscilla for for a lot

40:01of people because so many people are walking around and the lord has told them what’s my problem

40:07it’s your twin and they don’t know what that means amanda did you i see you nodding did you

40:12want to yeah i think i think this is a very important part um

40:18dan because um i think at a stage somewhere along the

40:23line we spoke but it would be good to just bring it in here again um that when they do the conception

40:30um of of this baby they don’t only uh make one baby um they

40:37they would make three or four or five depending on what the plan is and obviously one gets sacrificed to

40:44seal everything and then um one would be taken and put into a surrogate family like

40:50chris explained to her sister um and and so then they would also swap them in and

40:57out um if if they want to add a stage so they keep one in the cult

41:04and so these are identical um images of siblings and then safe

41:12they need press to to reprogram or put more stuff into her while she’s with the family of

41:19you know it’s three or four years old and she has to go for continuous uh programming then they need to have

41:26her still at school so they will swap in take her away and go and do the work

41:33with bruce and put the other sibling in her place to go to school

41:38so um it would all it’ll be this in and out swapping the whole time

41:44where we were asking questions the normal western mind asking questions how’s it

41:50possible you know how can you be away from home for a month of programming

41:56the school your friends they’re going to miss you you know i mean you ask these questions

42:02um and so i think it’s important to know that there’s more than one sibling created and then

42:10that what also is very keen and and we have found this with so many um is that

42:18they um they will keep one in the underworld in a in a state of

42:24death like on a life support machine and because of the symbiotic bond

42:32they they can let’s say press is not coming for help

42:38and she’s being tortured and tormented like over the top she’s gonna flip she’s

42:44gonna lose it she’s she’s gonna die she’s it’s just it’s

42:49humanly she everything in her says i’ll rather get out of this body completely

42:55because i can’t handle the punishment i can’t handle the torture and then we would realize

43:02that something’s happening like a voodoo thing but it’s live it’s this is this is not a doll

43:09this is this is a live person like doing it too and press is connected

43:15but in in such a strong bond it’s not just the coding it’s it’s stronger than that it’s dna

43:23it’s it’s blood of my you know burning my bone and flesh of my flesh and and and so they would keep this

43:31part the sibling on life support um but they would then

43:38torture this sibling put her on a wheel do the most horrific things with her

43:45and everything they do press gets hit with so you’re just thinking you pray you

43:54cut off you you bind you rebuke you you you walk through every single thing

43:59you’ve ever heard of you know because you’re seeing you’re seeing this this client

44:05presses die in front of you and and and you start don’t know what to pray anymore and you don’t know what to hit you up against

44:11then you know you’re desperate and then god started to teach you pray voodoo but it’s it’s not

44:18breaking you know and then we learned about this that there is this part of her

44:26sister her sibling that is being tortured and tormented

44:34over the top and and presses being hit so it was such

44:40a huge breakthrough and we’ve seen it within so many survivors already

44:46um that if you can get them off that wheel of death and and get them free because what they did

44:52was they sent a part of chris’s humanity um a presenter pot which is survival brain

45:00um we we have also spoken that when they create the presenter part they

45:06don’t create it from the same parts as as the other parts of the brain

45:13they created from the survival brain and that is why the torture and the

45:19torment they can do because it’s survival it’s you it’s

45:26you know you you live or die and so you have this um part of press

45:32her present apart that was sent to stay with the dead twin sibling

45:40all the time and so there was there was a connection with a part of prison

45:46as well as the symbiotic bond and so it was very strong

45:53wow okay priscilla yeah no that was that was

46:01pretty intense um and and but it also enables you to

46:07learn and and see um how it can help other people as well and

46:15and i think that is a good thing so yeah that that is um

46:23yeah we’re already at four years old is just one one thing that i want to to

46:30share very important it’s picture number three it is a very important moment

46:38um in the life of a survivor um and that is it’s called the new birth

46:45experience and this is where where you’re you’re still

46:51really small like i was 12 maybe 13 months something around that age still living with the

46:59nephilim and what they do

47:04is and i think we already explained this a little bit but what they do is they

47:12start explaining the gospel to this one-year-old child and

47:19what happens is you know we know that the word of god is living and it’s active we know that it’s light we know

47:27that it’s life-giving so even when

47:33the gospel is being explained by very evil people it still has the ability to bring forth

47:39life and as a baby or as a small child

47:45i you were i was spiritually so awake and i i for me the spiritual realm was

47:52more real than the earth realm like i only started to learn the boundaries

48:02of earth life once i started to live in my presenter life before that

48:09like floating flying um how do you call that

48:16going from one place to another place uh teleporting

48:22it was it was like eating lunch i that that was my life i didn’t know any better than that was

48:29my life and so i was spiritually very awake and hearing

48:37the gospel uh it does something with you and

48:43it is the only little bit of light and life that you see for the first time in your

48:50life and everything in you starts to draw towards that and and what happens

48:58is that jesus or i’d rather call him yeshua because i’ve had

49:04many false jesus’s uh in my life so yeshua is my favorite name for

49:09jesus so yeshua shows himself to you

49:16when you say i want to know that man that you’re talking about i i um and

49:23and that is where you have your first experience with yeshua and where he actually comes

49:30and lives in your heart and that is the the top of the picture

49:35that you see with the little child and the heart and and the lion of judah and it’s an amazing experience for a few

49:43seconds and what happens is they see this happening they see in the

49:50spirit that that you have come to know jesus and

49:57i can tell you all kinds of reasons why they do this it it there are many reasons but one of

50:04the main reasons is is that they want to steal the glory of god

50:09and if if that child becomes a child of god

50:16and they torture it and they heard it they steal the glory of god they rap like every what happens is they

50:24wrap this child in death it’s the second part of the picture and you see it’s like they bring this

50:30child into death experience after death experience and i’m not talking about two or three

50:36times this is 10 20 30 40 times that you die within a in a short span of time

50:45and and every layer is a layer of death that is putting

50:51that’s being put around this this little baby that that gave her heart to yeshua

50:58and every time there is a death experience another part is is taken out of that

51:07baby and is being assigned that is where the program is going to start they they take these parts and they say

51:15this is your name this is your name this is your name and they’re being put in separate places and that is

51:21the parts that they will start working on later and um and this

51:28i call it the new birth identity this new birth identity is being placed in underworld and it has

51:36entities that are guarding this this baby because satan knows that

51:42if this baby ever gets released in the person

51:48that’s going to be the end of story for for this for him having a hold on the

51:54survivor because in my life the moment that we found this new birth identity

52:02um in me that is when my freedom started to flow

52:08and and yes it’s a journey and and you have to go to that place many times because there are so many death

52:13experiences but it’s

52:18it’s a crucial part in in in a survivor and

52:26what they do with that um the the bottom part you see the fake evil jesus

52:33they introduced to you a jesus that will pose himself as your savior

52:39so as a baby you’re being put to death and you’re in a horrible pain and then

52:46you’re being brought to life and as you’re being brought to life

52:53you see this jesus and he says i came to save you you’re not dead

52:59anymore i am your savior and and you start trusting this jesus he

53:06must be the right jesus the other jesus must have been evil because he is the one that calls me to

53:12suffer so much he’s the one that caused me to to die so this must be the right jesus and

53:19and and that is the whole foundation that they will build on from that moment on so does that make

53:26sense that makes a lot of sense and and i’ll

53:33i’ll tell you you know it it never ceases to amaze me how often i

53:40find parts of people’s humanity in hades in the underworld in

53:46outer darkness in i mean it it’s all the time we’re going into these realms i

53:51call them regions of captivity all the time to get soul parts out

53:56and they have different levels of significance and so okay so you are for

54:04you are swapped into a normal life given a presenter downloaded

54:11with all of the memories of your sister what’s next well from that moment on

54:19you get the true meaning of living a double life because in in

54:27in my one world i lived his life as a little girl who

54:33goes to school goes to church she was being um i had a a huge hunger

54:41for for god and and and to get to know him and already from a young age i knew

54:49that he existed and i i knew that um that i wanted to know him

54:57and and that has been um i think that has been my driving force

55:07to get to the place where i am now because as as i was growing up and i was

55:14in my one world living a normal life i started to notice that i wasn’t

55:21able to have a intimate relationship with jesus

55:27the way i saw other people having that and i was i mean i was very gifted i was

55:35gifted with prophecy with leading worship uh gifts of healing and all these things

55:43i i that that’s been there from from a young age

55:48um except that it wasn’t the gifts of the true holy spirit it was of the

55:54false holy spirit i didn’t know it by then i i mean i was really thinking i was operating in in

56:00the kingdom of god but um it it it wasn’t um

56:06it wasn’t true but he as i was operating in these gifts and

56:14as i was building this relationship with god i just couldn’t get

56:20to this intimate place of knowing him it always was as a dis at a distance and

56:28there was always this dark place in me where where i couldn’t go and and i was afraid

56:33to go there and and i mean i had nightmares and things like that and i was i was quite young when i already started

56:40to see a therapist i was 13 i think or 14 and

56:46um so obviously obviously there was something wrong but i i couldn’t get my put my finger on

56:54it and then i just skipped a few years and i was 19

57:02when i discovered that there was the id in my life and um

57:10i found that i had these parts and they were all talking about these weird things and i i

57:17didn’t understand what was going on and um

57:24and from there i had my first memories that looked like ritual abuse

57:31but i wasn’t ready to go there in my mind like um i just wasn’t there and

57:39i made a decision of my will to bury that bury these memories

57:46and to um to just keep living my nice christian life um

57:55and i tried that for for a few years and i i allowed the id to be there like

58:02i couldn’t push the idea away like i had parts and but i i somehow i

58:08managed to have the fun parts to the front like parts that were cute

58:14and and that were always in for a and and you know sometimes these parts would

58:20talk a bit about where they came from and some of the memories and and i would be just like no i can’t

58:26accept that you know it’s that’s just not me um

58:32and then i was we’re talking now about 2014 so this is six

58:39years ago that is when i was

58:45at a very deep place where i was god i i want to know you

58:52i i see people around me who know you in an intimate

58:59way like emotional and they they it’s something that i

59:05don’t have what is it and god was really clear with

59:10me it’s only the truth that will bring you to a place where you

59:16can get to know me and i knew i had to make a decision at that moment

59:23either i’m going to keep all this stuff buried and

59:29i live my life the way it is now for as long as i can because i knew i couldn’t keep this up

59:34for for for a whole long time or i’m going to now really

59:41submit to god the way the bible teaches us to submit to him and

59:48and let whatever comes forward come forward and i

59:55didn’t know what i was choosing at that moment because i had no idea what was going to come forward but

1:00:02that’s what i chose i said okay god i can’t just live this life

1:00:09where i don’t know you like i want to know you and and will you just bring me to this

1:00:17place where i can be in in in submission to you and and where the truth can can come forward

1:00:25and only then the truth started to come out and it

1:00:33it went pretty fast from there and and in 2015 i got to know amanda

1:00:39and um yeah that’s when it got really crazy and

1:00:46um i mean it i still don’t understand

1:00:51how how god managed and how god thought it was worth

1:00:58his time in amanda’s time to to get me to get us connected and and bring

1:01:07bring me to this place where i am right now where the memories are starting to come

1:01:12they’ve started to come forward at the beginning it’s it’s all messy

1:01:18like you have the nightmares all the nightmares that i have been having over the years suddenly

1:01:24started to make sense and once they start making sense the next level comes and and

1:01:32that’s where the crazy stuff started to i started dreaming about these

1:01:38these nephilims hybrids um

1:01:43weird creatures um places that i i would never been

1:01:50to these places in my life yet i saw them as if i was there um i that is where

1:01:59god really opened my eyes and allowed my body to show what was going

1:02:05on so i was still in a place where i was in relationship with my handlers

1:02:13and i would be taken by night um through triggering and however that

1:02:20works but i would be taken to to ritual places all over the world and and the next day

1:02:28i would wake up and my body would like i felt i was hit by a train

1:02:36and i had bruises on on on places everywhere over my body

1:02:43i had burn like i had burn wounds over my at places of my body and at some

1:02:50point i started to take pictures because i was like nobody is going to believe me

1:02:56that i i go to bed with a smooth skin and i wake up and i had this huge

1:03:02bruise on my on my chin or i would go to bed with with a normal leg

1:03:10and i would wake up with that with a blister filled with fluid from a burn the next morning

1:03:17and and it was it was ridiculous i mean it was i had no

1:03:24idea what was going on but i knew i had to pursue it and and only

1:03:30um by just diving headfirst not knowing whether

1:03:37if there was even a swimming pool there to catch me with water i i just went and and it has

1:03:44been a deep dive ever since and um and one thing that i think is

1:03:49very important to to mention is

1:03:55for me it was crucial i think life-saving to

1:04:02break contact with my handlers which meant that at this stage in my life

1:04:10i had my own business with a friend of mine

1:04:15i was in a very close relationship with with my surrogate parents

1:04:22and um and other friends and i had to

1:04:29i had to break contact with them and that is something that is

1:04:36very difficult because every

1:04:42every normal christian religious organization will say that the moment you break

1:04:50contact with your parents you are actually so

1:04:55showing like sect signs as if you’re in a sect because that is you know often what what

1:05:01happens um or um [Music]

1:05:07they say that you’re not honoring your parents or they say that

1:05:13you lost your mind i mean all these things have been said to me that i that they told me that

1:05:21because i was working with amanda they said that i was ending up in a cult or in a sect

1:05:28because i was breaking contact with my parents um i was leaving my church i mean half of

1:05:34the church stood in my business telling me what are you doing you’re crazy

1:05:40you’re uh you belong in this church uh we don’t want you uh to leave

1:05:47this is not biblical uh you are um deceived i mean

1:05:53and i mean i that is still what they say about me in that place and and i mean i don’t

1:06:00even blame them because they don’t understand where where i come from and what has happened

1:06:07but it is very important for survivors to um

1:06:12[Music] to know that there is a season in your life where you have to

1:06:18break with the people that are your handlers and um some some there might be a time

1:06:25where where i um where i will get back in touch i don’t

1:06:30know i don’t think so but you never know god is an almighty god and maybe he will show them

1:06:37what they’ve been up to i’ve been praying for it i really pray that on this side of heaven

1:06:42they will get the chance to repent and to to get in get clean with god

1:06:51um because it’s not going to be fun for them to to be on the other side of heaven

1:07:00and have to um see what they’ve been up to

1:07:06wow well um so priscilla

1:07:12we kind of skipped a few years here going from you know

1:07:19that that younger years and straight to 19. now there’s a there there’s a few points on this

1:07:26chart that you gave me that i want to zero in on and just let you

1:07:31uh talk about a little bit more and here you know you put

1:07:38okay the new birth identity which we we talked about yes then the presenter at three years

1:07:44they swapped you for your sister around four years yes what’s this coming of age

1:07:53yes this is um this is a very particular ritual

1:08:01that um we i’ve already mentioned it a few times in

1:08:07the past a few interviews it’s that point in time where you move from being a

1:08:14victim into being a perpetrator so this picture um shows

1:08:21pretty pretty good how that works um you see this girl in the center and

1:08:28um she’s holding this baby in a uh at a place where where it’s being

1:08:34sacrificed and um

1:08:40that is a representation of a new birth identity so

1:08:46what happens is that this baby you kill this baby as a symbol

1:08:54like in your mind you kill that part of yourself that chose for

1:08:59jesus and you put an other

1:09:05layer or actually you put a seal of death over that part of you and you choose to

1:09:13never again go back to to this new birth identity to this

1:09:20jesus that that baby ever said yes to and you choose to serve satan

1:09:27and and you do that by um saying the the the five i wills of satan

1:09:35that are described in in asia wealth i think it is

1:09:41and um and that is also where um

1:09:48i conceived my first nephilim son so where there was um this is

1:09:55what this means is that there is an intercourse between a fallen angel and a human and the result of that

1:10:02is a nephilim son and

1:10:08this can be any fallen angel from any rank till

1:10:15lucifer himself who who is a fallen angel as well of course

1:10:20and um this this is where you say

1:10:27i am an independent person now who has chosen against god

1:10:34and all the programming that has been installed in the years from new birth until the coming of eight

1:10:42so that is that is about 10 years a little over 10 years um all that

1:10:49programming is now being activated in a way that

1:10:54you’re going to take responsibility for it and you’re going to move yourself up the ranks

1:11:02to put it that way and um i don’t know amanda is there anything

1:11:07you want to say about this yeah i think um in the healing process

1:11:13this is a very important part to understand um because of

1:11:21of of the significant change that you go from a child under your parents authority and

1:11:28now you’re moving into the perpetrator and from being a victim to a victimizer

1:11:36is so important because now you are accountable before god and

1:11:43now you are willingly agreeing with satan whereas the first 12 years you were a

1:11:50victim you were just handed over and you had to do what they told you

1:11:55but now you are willingly deciding to kill this baby who opened your heart

1:12:04to the real yeshua and she got connected to him at 13 months and and and

1:12:12they have fed you hormones and basically your periods start very early in the body um chris i think

1:12:19you said eight about eight years old things started you your body started functioning that you could they

1:12:25could impregnate you and you you that baby that they lay in

1:12:31front of you is actually one of your own children that you’ve given birth to

1:12:37and that’s now 13 months old and so when they put that child on the altar in front of you um you

1:12:45believe you are killing that baby that gave their heart

1:12:50to jesus um and it’s now your chance because all the hatred um and all you know all

1:12:58the murder all the hatred of of satan that he can’t be saved and you are made in god’s image and you

1:13:05can be saved and all of that is loaded on top of your human anger

1:13:11and so they’ve made this 13 year old the assassin the murderer you know anything with this

1:13:20because this this the the the one that’s acting as a which i mean they

1:13:26they go into different sections obviously but but it’s all the anger that they’ve

1:13:31encapsulated and enhanced with satanic anger and nephilim anger

1:13:38and so when she kills that baby it is with it is with the most horrific

1:13:45hatred that becomes part of her life and and

1:13:50i’ve had other survivors report to me that when they killed the baby they were

1:13:56wearing jewels um inherited jewels like like

1:14:04in the the family jewels so i said oh is it the ramen off so because

1:14:11this she’s she’s anastasia in 1944 this whole hitler project that

1:14:17you and i spoke about the first time um she’s part of that project

1:14:22and so the jewels that she was wearing is the ramen of jewels and every little 13 year old in that

1:14:29bloodline part of that project would put on the jewels at 13

1:14:35it’s rings it’s it’s very expensive diamonds and gold and

1:14:41and so this little 13 year old is dressed up and and it’s ballroom i mean it’s

1:14:47ballroom gowns and and and you’ve got people in in the upper stairs

1:14:53watching this whole thing like a theater and and she’s being led down the

1:15:00steps with all these jewels and then as she kills she’s got to kill in such a way

1:15:07that there’s lots of blood that the blood splashes onto the jewels so that she’s the next

1:15:13generation that is in line that is hating god

1:15:19that makes a choice against god that is part of the antichrist system

1:15:25and and then the the jewels it’s so important that the jewels have to be

1:15:30splashed with blood and that then gives her that that

1:15:36authority and the the ranking for her then to move into the adulthood of of starting

1:15:44to hurt other children um killing um assassins or whatever the the

1:15:52assignment is but they move then into into really being

1:15:57very very dangerous um attacking they have been trained so well to attack

1:16:04ministries to attack to come into our bedrooms um to astral in well astral they

1:16:13they teleport in and um come and do their thing you know come

1:16:18and attack you um send all sorts of things at you um so they are so well trained

1:16:26so this 13 year old is key it’s it’s probably of the last parts

1:16:32that that you get to so you know that once you’ve reached the 13 year old because she’s the most hidden

1:16:40she’s the most angry and she is the mother that gives birth

1:16:47to the nephilim child um and and that sets her apart and gives

1:16:52her that ranking as well so so at 13 year old she’s the mother and

1:16:59um there’s there’s just so many layered things that have to be removed

1:17:05you know when you pray and they go through the the ritual where they were upside down crucified upside

1:17:12down where they had um where there was this guy that was killed um while he was being

1:17:21killed she’s having sex with him it’s the most bizarre stuff um that they

1:17:28get exposed to in this 13 year it’s all the 13 year old

1:17:33ritual so it is really key really key and then the five hour walls

1:17:40um it’s it’s as isaiah 14 and um you know we where lucifer himself

1:17:48makes the declarations i will rise above i will you know put my throne above

1:17:55and so the the the 13 year old comes in agreement with that

1:18:00and it’s open total rebellion and so they re they get the the the

1:18:07actual character of lucifer and well satan it’s either lucifer is the angel of

1:18:15light or satan in all his death and and um you know death

1:18:23you know you don’t have another word for him um another important thing i feel prison what

1:18:29dan you you speak about often are the scrolls the scrolls of your life and

1:18:35what happens at conception because they’ve planned so well around the sperm and the ovum

1:18:42and they bring that together there’s this demonic scroll that gets red over your life

1:18:50and then at 13 it’s the scroll again and do you agree

1:18:57do you agree are you now with your own free will that which happened at conception when

1:19:04you were created now do you agree that this is your life and as a 13 year

1:19:12old the agreement comes and that is when they take legal ground go to the word

1:19:20where the bible says now what you’ve chosen you’re going to be the consequences and so um that’s how they play the game

1:19:29you know to hold the bible against you to hold god against you so you have witnesses against you

1:19:34there’s judgments of god against you but it’s like you know

1:19:40they they just have that attitude of of satan

1:19:46and i i if i just can jump in here a little uh what i remember in one of

1:19:52your previous interviews one of the questions that was posted on youtube was how

1:20:01how is it possible that they allow you to get out of the cult and i just want

1:20:08to set very straight that they the cults are not almighty they are not

1:20:16god they are not yahweh elohim and

1:20:21god has the final say and i believe that there is a way out for

1:20:29every survivor how well programmed you are what what level of ranking you

1:20:37are there is always a way out and and i i know that

1:20:44for me i was so convinced that i i wasn’t able to be saved because

1:20:52i killed what i believe was the part of me that gave my heart to

1:20:59yeshua so i i thought i wasn’t being able to be saved anymore

1:21:05but god always has a way out he had he he knew

1:21:13before adam and eve sinned he already had salvation plan ready because he knew

1:21:19that they were going to do that and that they needed a way out and and it’s the same with with with me

1:21:26and people like me when you believe that there is no way out then just look up and and and

1:21:33and see that god has set the road before you because there is a way out

1:21:38and and he is the one that is almighty and having said that

1:21:45because if you just want to put up the picture number five

1:21:51what what is the trick and the way that they deceive you and they trick you is that

1:22:01they make you believe that you as the new birth identity

1:22:08are not the same as the 13 year old who makes that decision to kill the new

1:22:13birth identity they make you think it’s a is it’s a different person with a different body

1:22:21and that is where the deception is and that is why the d.i.d is so strong and

1:22:28what was very key for me is i needed to learn that

1:22:36the baby that had to crawl its way out of the mother’s womb is the

1:22:42same has the same body as the body who gave her life to yeshua

1:22:51at one year old it is the same body who chose against god at 13 year old

1:22:59it’s the same body who had 26 year old married with the nephilim sun and

1:23:07and yes there are different parts in that body but it is the same body so if you want

1:23:14to show the picture once more i just want to explain it if you see this tower this is the tower

1:23:21of babel it’s it’s a pretty standard program that they put in

1:23:26in in the survivors what you see is on the at the bottom you see this baby lying

1:23:35and out of this baby the it this baby is the foundation

1:23:41of the tower that is being built and all the way up you see that kind of

1:23:46naked lady sitting on the on a throne and that is the queen

1:23:52let’s say the 26 year old that is being put in a in a cult has a

1:23:59position of power it is birthing all the all the illuminati plants

1:24:06over the world like like all the rage and old evil and the plants of let’s say

1:24:13corona you know it’s being birthed by these kind of queens over the earth and this queen that is

1:24:21sitting there on top of the world is having a nice life she is being worshipped

1:24:31by the kings of the earth she is being worshipped by the other lower level

1:24:40women in the cult she is uh holding a position of power

1:24:46so she is in her mind pretty well off and when you tell her

1:24:55that she comes from this baby she would be disgusted she would say i want nothing to do with

1:25:02that baby but that is where where

1:25:07i as a survivor but as a counselor you have to show the survivor that that

1:25:14that she’s been tricked and been deceived and the moment that i

1:25:20realized in my parts that i am just being given a place of

1:25:28power and position and and and that to do their evil plans but at the same time a part of my

1:25:35humanity is suffering and is still stuck in a place of death because

1:25:41i want to hold a place of power when i realized that that is the same

1:25:46body and ultimately the same person because god made me as one person he

1:25:52never meant me to be scattered into all these thousands of of pieces

1:25:59and and when i started to realize that that is when it had it was able to come

1:26:06together and that is where if if you want to show the last picture that is the whole counseling process

1:26:14that happens you you have the baby that that gave her

1:26:19heart to yeshua and and you have the 13 year old you have 26 year olds you know all those seals

1:26:25that are being being put up and um

1:26:30yeah if you have this picture and then go to the next picture yes you see that from this new

1:26:37birth identity you you see the 13 year old you see the first crown the 26 year old and it goes

1:26:44all the way whatever age the survivor is now if you think of these

1:26:52arrows and you put them the other way that is the counseling process you take

1:26:59the age of the body you take the parts you take the 26 year old and you go backwards and you go and you find

1:27:08that baby that is wrapped in death that may that chose yeshua and then

1:27:15when they become one that is where healing comes that is because

1:27:22yeshua jesus he never left that little baby the 13 months old

1:27:28and when my parts were saying well jesus left me jesus is the one he abandoned me

1:27:36then i would amanda would ask yeshua to show the

1:27:41truth and what really happened is that i abandoned myself

1:27:47i was the one who couldn’t handle the torture so i split off and i mean i don’t have to blame myself

1:27:53for this but i split off because i couldn’t handle the torture and i i i started to live a parallel

1:28:00life to to who i really am and yeshua state he was there in the

1:28:08torture he was there and he didn’t leave and i was the one who escaped from myself

1:28:15and when that started to kick in that truth

1:28:20i had to learn that i had to go back to that baby that was wrapped in death and had to

1:28:27i mean i had to hold it every extension of myself as a 13 year old as a 26 year old as a

1:28:3434 year old whatever age i had to go back to these steps

1:28:40and find that baby that was captured in death and every time another layer of death

1:28:46was taken off this baby until i finally had it and

1:28:51and that is where my healing started to pour and

1:28:58and where i got to that place what i was saying in the beginning that

1:29:04relationship with god that that i didn’t i didn’t have that honest and pure relationship

1:29:10and now i can i can say i mean i’m not there yet where i want to be

1:29:16but i know god in a way that i’ve never known him before and i would go through this all over

1:29:24again if i knew that that that this would be the end result

1:29:30and i mean i know there’s i’m not even there yet there’s much more that i can learn about who god is and

1:29:36how who yeshua is and that is what it’s all about it’s

1:29:41you know it’s i know all these information it’s interesting and and people who do not know about this

1:29:48it’s it’s it’s interesting and and exciting to hear about this mermaid stuff and and

1:29:55and the cloning and and that and i understand that but for me that has never been

1:30:02what it is about for me it’s been that my life can glorify god and can

1:30:08glorify yeshua and if that means that i had to

1:30:14get to that horrible knowledge of what it meant for me to become a mermaid

1:30:20what i had to do what i had to go through um

1:30:26that that is you do that you do it not because you want to because

1:30:32but because you have to because otherwise you won’t be able to

1:30:37to um let your life truly be in for god’s honor

1:30:46how amanda

1:30:53yeah dan i think i think chris has explained it very well um what i what i’d like to

1:31:00just underline is we have found through the years and i mean this was our own journey too

1:31:07is that many times you don’t know what to do with the parts you really don’t know how to bring the

1:31:13healing and when you do integration and you know what happens in the process because

1:31:20there’s so much so many layering so many parts and anyway so

1:31:25um when the lord showed us that if you don’t get to the baby there’s no closure so let’s say for

1:31:33example chris’s adult parts her extension parts would come forward

1:31:38and um you know some queen or some witch or whatever part would present

1:31:44and then um we would have a conversation you know and i’d say well um you know

1:31:50you you’re not really a queen and she’d be very upset and then i’d explain

1:31:56that you you belong to a human body you connected with through the silver cord and um we would go through the whole

1:32:03process and eventually i’d explain to you you’re tied up in second heaven and um you’ve

1:32:10been deceived and you’ve been you’re serving a loser and um you know that when you go to battle

1:32:18um who sends who sends a woman first who sends a whole woman army into

1:32:24battle first and and and the main guy he’s at the back because he’s a womp

1:32:30he’s too afraid to go first i said to god i serve yeshua

1:32:35he rides first he takes the battle he he he heads up you know he’s the he’s

1:32:42the captain of the hosts he rides ahead he doesn’t use human shields and

1:32:48why why does satan send you you to go and fight for him you know anyway

1:32:54we we talked this through and then looks like wow you know that’s true um so

1:33:00anyway we get to a point where we say okay third heaven is yeshua feel the frequency and second

1:33:08heaven and feel the death it’s totally a different frequency and then um yeshua would come introduce

1:33:15himself you know whatever the lord does but you lead this part um you know

1:33:21to you sure you you show the deception and this part actually has to make up

1:33:27their own mind it’s their own free will choice and then they say okay no i don’t want to serve a loser i don’t want to be

1:33:34you know um are used as a human shield i i don’t want to be lied to you anymore

1:33:40this is enough so then i say okay what you have to do is lay all your weapons

1:33:45everything your ranking your armor your weapons your accolades

1:33:52your pips whatever it is that you’ve received getting where you are you’re going to

1:33:57put it all at the feet of yeshua are you prepared to do that yeah sure so then they lay it down you

1:34:03know take off the robes the mantles the rings the whatever it is who you know in their

1:34:10position put it at the feet of yeshua and then i say okay are you prepared that yeshua

1:34:15burns it with his fire now because it’s no going back yep no okay we’ll do that

1:34:21so now they’ve accepted yeshua and a lot of councillors stopped there

1:34:28and they don’t they if you stop there then you have so much humanity because

1:34:34you’ve you’ve got a whole timeline that you’ve worked with now but you only were taking the

1:34:40adult part that is that is such a little bit of the full timeline and you’re leading that

1:34:48part to yeshua and you’re saying i’m done now and that’s the old way that’s what we

1:34:53used to do but you can’t stop there and that’s where the lord showed us that you’ve got

1:35:00to you’ve got to take from age of the body so chris is 34

1:35:05so at least she doesn’t have more stars at least you know the higher the stars the more difficult

1:35:11it is to undo all the layers and so so chris is only 34 hallelujah so now we

1:35:18go age of the body 34 all the parts who know yeshua come come together now go with yeshua the

1:35:26the christian presenter as well and that you go to 26 year old which is

1:35:31the wife down to 13 year old which is the mother now now we go and we’re going

1:35:37to find the baby this is the baby where you come from so of course in the beginning

1:35:42it’s difficult i can’t believe it i don’t come from a baby so we all come from a baby so we have to

1:35:49find the baby because they’ve done something to the baby to make you this queen that is sitting on the top of

1:35:57the tower of babel that is birthing all this you doing all the dirty work for the for

1:36:02for the cult for the new world order for the illuminati you are birthing all of the stuff all

1:36:08over the world through the portals you doing the dirty work but to get you to that position as queen

1:36:15you started as a baby so if we don’t find the baby we’re not going to get closure

1:36:21and and i have i’ve done this with so many survivors and they all

1:36:26tell you the same story that if you leave them just there as an adult and you don’t bring closure

1:36:33to the whole timeline they they still hanging and they are

1:36:38still accessible the enemy can still access them and use them in the cult

1:36:44and so you take that so you gather up all of them and then you get down to the

1:36:50new birth identity where the key is because that’s where yeshua is and that’s where the promise is because

1:36:57it was because of his promise i will never leave you that’s why we can work in this

1:37:02in this ministry and and we are able to do the deliverance because of him

1:37:07because of what yeshua has done because the price jesus paid because of his blood

1:37:12and so you you then you go back to conception right back to conception identity why

1:37:19because at conception identity they were one they were the one god made originally

1:37:24before trauma they were one before there was dust the gold dust that went all over

1:37:30through the trauma before that they were one and that starts at conception identity

1:37:36and so we gather up conception identity the time of being frozen the time of

1:37:41being scattered all over going in the motherships going in the craft

1:37:46going into the um into the portals you gather up gather up gather up

1:37:52and from conception identity bring it forward into new birth and from age of the body bring it down

1:37:58down down down down you know 26 13 year old dumped your new birth

1:38:03so now we’re all standing around new birth identity now we say okay you see the baby

1:38:12this is where you come from it’s your timeline you ended up as the queen over babylon but the baby

1:38:20what did they do with the baby you wait because this is the key you have to give

1:38:26lots of time here you must be patient and then if they can’t see

1:38:31we pray yeshua open show them the baby show draw the curtain open shine your

1:38:37light let them see the baby and normally the baby’s in a state of death um the baby is the eyes of the babies

1:38:44closed um i had the one baby just in the week that i was ministering

1:38:50to a client that her baby was in flames was just flames

1:38:57but the adult was working with the power of the phoenix

1:39:03can you see the timeline connection so you’ve got the phoenix with the adult

1:39:08working in power of the fire with with the phoenix but you’ve got the baby

1:39:15burning in fire the whole time so i explained to you i said while you are the queen at the top with all the

1:39:21power on the other side of the id is the one in constant 24 7

1:39:28pain and suffering you have the power because the baby was suffering

1:39:34and then we go and we release the baby and then i ask yeshua to to take the baby and to throw living

1:39:41water over the the flames to quench those the flames or the one the one was um

1:39:48a queen that was of the underworld and in the water

1:39:53and she had a crown on her head and we tried to take she tried to take the crown off to put it at the feet of

1:39:59yeshua she couldn’t get it off and then she i said okay how many spokes are around

1:40:06the crown how many spikes do you have she said eight

1:40:12i said okay so those are the queens that serve you yes so i said you nine in your cluster

1:40:19you know yes when we eventually got to the baby

1:40:24the baby had an octopus on the head and had kept the baby in the in the

1:40:31under in the water grave while she was the queen

1:40:37in the waters with a crown but there was an octopus that was actually with the eight

1:40:44legs it was the eight spokes and and the brain of the octopus was was the main

1:40:50crown so it is fascinating you know i can give you so many examples

1:40:57of working on timelines you get the adult whatever queen or whatever they

1:41:03represent follow that timeline down down down and find the baby and see what have

1:41:09they done with that baby and when yeshua blesses the baby and he brings the baby back to life

1:41:17and and the and the adult part that’s now just accepted yeshua takes that baby

1:41:24and picks up the baby and i say this is you this is where you come from and they take the baby and they push the

1:41:31baby against their heart and i say that’s where the baby belongs

1:41:37because you separated from the baby ask the baby’s forgiveness you went off and became a queen while

1:41:43the baby was suffering all the time now you hold that baby

1:41:49and and and every time press you can just quickly share here but what happens is when you hold that baby

1:41:56integration of the whole timeline takes place and uh and the cult has lost their hold

1:42:04no more did drd of that timeline is over they’ve integrated

1:42:12they’ve become one and no more access and so that’s why you’ve got to do a

1:42:18timeline after timeline of the timeline whoever represents as an adult you have

1:42:24to farm the baby otherwise there’s no closure and chris maybe you can explain

1:42:30being stuck just knowing jesus but not getting to the baby

1:42:38yeah i think that is just um it’s that moment where as um

1:42:46as the adult in the did systems for example the queen

1:42:52really needs to get to a place where she wants to see where she comes from and

1:42:58it’s always yeshua who does that it’s i know that i have been in a discussion with amanda

1:43:07you know i could we could be discussing for 20 or 30 minutes or even longer and then at some point

1:43:13amanda would be just like you know what we just ask yeshua and and

1:43:20and then yeshua would just come in with his wisdom or he would show something

1:43:27and then this this queen in me would see the baby and would know

1:43:34this is where i come from and if i want to stay in touch with yeshua

1:43:42i have to go back to this baby because yeshua is with this baby because

1:43:49and that is something that that got me every time again it’s it’s that queen that walked

1:43:55away from the baby and and from yeshua and yeshua he he loves the whole system

1:44:03so he he shows up and he talks to the queen but he tells the queen he doesn’t say

1:44:10the baby he doesn’t say to the baby you have to become the queen

1:44:16he says to the queen you humble yourself

1:44:21and you get on your knees and hold that baby and take care of that baby

1:44:27and and and then when they are uh closer to to each other what i

1:44:33always would say it’s like as if i would be in this queen part of

1:44:39myself it’s like i would see this hole in my heart it would look like a keyhole

1:44:45and that little baby would exactly have the shape of that

1:44:51hole in my heart and and yeshua would show me this baby

1:44:58belongs in your heart but you are the only one who can take it and put it there you

1:45:04have to do it and and that is how how i

1:45:09as this queen would be able to go down and i mean it takes time it’s it’s you have to learn this it’s not easy but

1:45:16eventually i would always be able to pick up that baby and put it in my heart and that is where

1:45:22that timeline becomes one one time one

1:45:31history and and they do this with many queens what i said there are many timelines but

1:45:37um there is an end to it it’s not something that you will do eternally but

1:45:43yeah that’s so good that is so good um wow

1:45:52priscilla amanda i want to thank you for taking the time to sit down with me uh drop some knowledge

1:46:00i i really appreciate the both of you and i know our listening audience does too even if

1:46:06they are still trying to figure out what they just heard and thinking how many times am i

1:46:11have to press replay on this one to get it all in

1:46:17that’s why we do a podcast you can listen to this as many times as you want

1:46:22folks i um so appreciate you guys and uh by the way folks amanda and her husband have a

1:46:29website kananministries.org k-a-n-a-a-n ministries dot org that you

1:46:37can check out if you want to see what they have available in so far as tools and resources and with that said

1:46:46guys until next time god bless

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S3E39 | J.R. SWEET – OPERATIONAL CIA MONARCH MIND SLAVE ON DISNEY, LDS CHURCH, & MK ULTRA SECRET OPS and transcript

2023 jul 24 S3E39 | J.R. Sweet – Operational CIA MONARCH Mind Slave on Disney, LDS Church, & MK ULTRA Secret Ops [1b]

This week I’m thrilled to introduce to you yet another male survivor who has been speaking out. After saying just a short while ago that there needs to be more men willing to step up and expose the criminal cabal trafficking and abusing our children, I began meeting male survivors who reached out via email as well as discovering them on other podcasts. This week’s guest has an incredible story and I’m honored he chose to share time with us on the show. Introducing, Operational CIA MONARCH mind slave, overcomer, blogger, husband, father, whistleblower and walking miracle, J.R Sweet!

Like many survivors you’ve heard on the show, J.R. lived his conscious life believing he grew up in a normal household environment with a normal family. What J.R. would come to find out as an adult 2017 when he began having memory recall completely shook his world in discovering the narrative he had always told himself about his family couldn’t be further from the truth.

J.R. grew up in a multi-generational incestual satanic and Mormon family bloodline who’s lineages trace back to King Henry the 8th and he didn’t begin to recall his and his family’s involvement with the CIA’s MK Ultra mind control program until he was 38. Without giving too much away, I will say that if you are familiar with former podcast guest, Cathy O’Brien’s story – you will see a lot of parallels that run through J.R’s testimony as well. Since awakening to his abuse and the truth about his family, he began an incredible blog titled ‘The Mormon Monarch’ where he shares harrowing details about his life and past. I highly recommend you guys check this blog out – you can head to www.MormonMonarch.com to learn more – I’ll have this linked in the show notes and encourage you all to go support J.R.’s work!

J.R.’s story is jam-packed with information and I suggest you grab a pen and paper and shut off whatever you’re doing and give him your full attention. The amount of courage it takes for a survivor or these horrific atrocities cannot be understated. And with the stigma around men and abuse, we really need to show our support and stand behind and next to the men who are willing to be on the forefront of exposing these crimes against children while breaking generational abuse cycles and stigmas. J.R. is a hero.

Before I finish introducing our guest – I wanted to give a reminder that if you are a survivor or whistleblower who wants to share your story on the podcast or wants to share any information privately with me, you can now email me at IMAGINEABETTERWORLD2020@GMAIL.COM! Please send me a briefing of who you are and how I can support you whether it’s through podcasting or sharing information. I also just started a Substack that you can support at www.EmmaKatherine.Substack.com. Here I will be doing weekly recaps and insights on my podcast and using this as a place to publicly journal my journey as an advocate for our children. All my social, email and project links can also be found in the show notes and as always – I’m so grateful for all your support.

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Transcript

heavenly father today we put on the full armor  to protect us against attack we put on the belt  

0:08of Truth to protect against lies and deception  we put on the breastplate of righteousness to  

0:13protect our hearts from The Temptations we put  the gospel of peace on our feet to walk in your  

0:19light Peace and Freedom with the Holy Spirit we  rebuke anxious thoughts we take up your Shield  

0:25of faith for protection to block and destroy all  the darts and threats thrown at us by the enemy we  

0:30put on the helmet of salvation to cover our minds  and thoughts reminding us that we are children of   a mighty king we are forgiven set free safe by  the blood of Jesus we take up the sword of the  

0:42spirit your living word that has the power to  demolish strongholds and is sharper than any   double-edged sword we come to you Lord in prayer  daily in Jesus mighty name we pray amen amen  

0:54what’s up you guys welcome to the imagination  I’m your host Emma and this week I’m thrilled  

1:00to introduce to you yet another male Survivor  who has been speaking out after saying just a  

1:05short while ago that there needs to be more men  willing to step up and expose the criminal cabal   trafficking and abusing our children I began  meeting male survivors suddenly who reached out  

1:15via email as well as discovering them on other  podcasts this week’s guest has an incredible  

1:20story and I’m honored he chose to share with us  on the show introducing operational CIA Monarch  

1:27mind slave Overcomer blogger husband father  whistleblower and walking Miracle J.R Suite  

1:35like money survivors you’ve heard on the show  Jr lived his conscious life believing he grew  

1:40up in a normal household environment with a pretty  normal family what Jr would soon come to find out  

1:46as an adult in 2017 when he began having memory  recall completely shook his world in discovering  

1:52the narrative he had always told himself about his  family couldn’t be further from the truth Jr grew  

1:58up in a multi-generational ancestral satanic and  Mormon family bloodline whose lineages actually  

2:04traced back to King Henry VII and he didn’t begin  to recall his and his family’s involvement with  

2:09the cia’s MKUltra mind control program until  he was 38. without giving too much away I will  

2:15say that if you are familiar with former podcast  guest Kathy O’Brien’s story you will see a lot of  

2:20parallels that run through Jr’s testimony as well  since Awakening 2 is abuse and the truth about  

2:26his family he began an incredible blog titled the  Mormon Monarch where he shares harrowing details  

2:33about his life and past I highly recommend  you guys check his blog out if you head to

2:39www.mormonmonarch.com I’ll have this listed in  the show notes and really encourage you all to  

2:45go support Jr’s work Jr’s story is jam-packed  with information and I also suggest you grab a  

2:52pen and paper and shut off whatever you’re  doing and give him your full attention the   amount of Courage it takes for a survivor of these  horrific atrocities to come forth and speak their  

3:02truth cannot be understated and with the stigma  around men and abuse we really need to show our  

3:07support and stand behind and next to the men who  are willing to be on the Forefront of exposing   these crimes against children while breaking  General abuse cycles and stigmas Jr in this  

3:18sense is a hero before I finish introducing Our  Guest I want to give a reminder that if you are a  

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3:54and using this as a place to publicly Journal  my journey as an advocate for our children on my  

4:00social email and project links can also be found  in the show notes and as always I’m so grateful   for all of your support so you guys without  further Ado please help me in welcoming this  

4:09week’s guest of honor Monarch Survivor voice  for the voiceless advocate for our children   and generational circuit breaker J.R sweet Jr  thank you so much for being here with me today  

4:21thank you Emma thank you for having me it’s an  honor I appreciate it yeah it’s great to be here  

4:28I appreciate the opportunity yeah it’s good to  get the message out to the people on what’s going  

4:34on so I appreciate it I know and I appreciate  you I know that these these topics can be very  

4:41triggering and they’re very hard to talk about and  people like you hand off the torch to other people  

4:47who see your light and then it gives them courage  to talk so it’s not easy being on the Forefront  

4:52of this and I really do appreciate that you were  and are willing to talk about this because I know   it’s so hard and stressful on you also um so I’d  love to actually hear and maybe let’s talk to the  

5:03guests about why did you start speaking out you  know we’ll get into your story but what was your  

5:09inspiration for actually wanting to go public  with all this information because I’m sure you   had a lot to lose I’m sure you were targeted I’m  sure that it hasn’t been the easiest thing for you  

5:18to come out and talk about this publicly and I’d  love to hear your inspiration behind your mission  

5:24yeah yeah thank you it hasn’t been  very easy and I have lost a lot  

5:31um of in that sense uh when I remembered  things that I was remembering about my past  

5:41um I was living in Idaho at that time I was  raised in around Idaho in Idaho and in Salt  

5:48Lake born in Oregon and so all over the west  and in 2017 when I started to remember things  

5:57um it was I realized I was not  in a good situation where I lived  

6:05um and so I had to to move and leave Idaho that  was in 2020 but you did a really good introduction  

6:14um I appreciate that thank you so I want to  start where um with my family with with where  

6:22I come from um and how I came to be here and  so the reason that I’m speaking out is because  

6:31because the things that I began to remember  in 2017 were so awful and so overwhelming uh  

6:39in in what I was remembering had happened in my  life that I felt compelled to speak how it seems  

6:49inevitable that if you have any kind of a moral  standing you would speak out on these things it’s  

6:56just how it how it should be um they have killed  me before through Monarch programming and that was  

7:04for suicide programming and so I I was dead for  for a short period And I went to the other side  

7:11and I feel like that impacts my reasoning for  speaking out as well because I know that when  

7:18we leave this earth we go somewhere somewhere  much more beautiful and wonderful than this  

7:24place and we’ll see a lot of the folks we knew in  this life and so to me it’s a it’s a message that  

7:32just needs to be shared but I come from I am a  survivor of the Central Intelligence agencies  

7:38trauma-based mind control program I was raised  in a generationally abusive family a satanic  

7:46family bloodline essentially my family reaches  back as you mentioned to King Henry VII and  

7:55and that’s something my family was always proud of  that I was always aware of uh throughout my life  

8:01every day always talked about it and we’re proud  of that fact um and my grandfather that’s really  

8:09where I feel like the Central Intelligence Agency  comes into my life is through my grandfather and  

8:15through my uncle and Handler and my grandfather  he was a Marine in World War II and he became  

8:26involved while he was in the Marine Corps uh  with with various individuals involved with  

8:34things revolving around the mind they would use  them for various things such as carrying messages  

8:40he worked for a colonel for a while and so he was  a courier he would carry messages and he’d be made  

8:47to memorize them and my grandfather was abused as  a child in my mind that’s how I perceive that and  

8:54that’s partly what was wrong with him he ran  away when he was 13 years old and so he had  

9:00a pretty rough go of life and then the war on  top of that he was a Marine Corps scout sniper  

9:07um and so it was pretty hard on him but after the  war he survived the war and he he joined uh he  

9:18worked for the Union Pacific Railroad the Union  Pacific Railroad has a history of of Nefarious  

9:24Deeds within the upper echelon of that company  you can find that research in various books  

9:32um but he worked for Union Pacific and in  that time he would in his own journaling he  

9:40talks about being a Union Pacific and a group of  well-dressed suits coming in he’d been called into  

9:48the corporate office and they wanted to talk to  him and I believe that something happened at that  

9:54time where he was pulled back into the military  in some way and he was involved with the Central  

9:59Intelligence Agency and the Monarch program for  quite a ways back I’m not exactly sure how far  

10:07back Emma but it goes back a long way and he knew  such people as Walt Disney for example who was  

10:16connected to Monarch programming and trauma-based  mind control um and so my grandfather brought it  

10:24into the family in my mind my grandfather also  played the role this is a little strange and  

10:30hard for people to get their head around but we  only know what we’re told and so if for example  

10:36someone dies in the media do you really know  that they’re dead or is that just what you were  

10:43told and so for example my grandfather he was Jim  Reeves he played that role in the country music  

10:50industry and then when they were done with that  character for whatever reason I’m not entirely  

10:56sure he was killed that character was killed  off and my grandfather lived another life as  

11:03as the individual that he was I suppose he was a  multiple and he had lots of his own own problems  

11:12um and we’ll go through some of that but so it  comes through my family and then my uncle and  

11:18CIA Handler uh he was a close Uncle Gail Pooley  and he he was my Handler and very close member of  

11:27our family and he brought it to the family as well  I’m not entirely sure about how that relationship  

11:34all came together but so I was selected uh because  of my ability to dissociate um we were tested as  

11:46children tested by a man named Alex Houston to um  test us for our ability to disassociate and that  

11:57took place at my grandfather and grandmother’s  house outside of Nampa Idaho at Lake Lowell and  

12:05and that was that was a pretty pretty traumatic  little ordeal there we were each taken Alex  

12:14Houston came out to the house see my grandparents  had gone to Disneyland and for the for the week  

12:22as a as a vacation a romantic vacation for  them to Southern California and Disneyland  

12:28and what they were really there for was they were  getting um they were getting told and taught how

12:43and so while they were away to Disneyland  getting their their training on how to  

12:49raise children in the project we were at my  grandparents home staying there for the week and  

12:57um they had a guy coming out to entertain us  kids and so we were all waiting and you know  

13:04as little kids we were excited this guy had  a dummy doll thing that he was going to show   us you know and and do a little show for us  and and so he came up the drive finally it  

13:15was evening and he he did a little show for us  Alex and um what Elmer I want to say his dummy  

13:23yeah and they did this show for us and then after  the show they said that they wanted to do a test  

13:30they wanted to do something with us kids and so  each one of us was taken back into a room there  

13:38with Alex and we were tested for our ability  to dissociate and so what that entailed is  

13:46um we were taken back there one by one  first of all and my sister was first  

13:51and they had in the room a box that had a  hand in it it was a separate human hand and

14:01they just opened it so my sister went back  there and she what what the thing was was  

14:09would you dissociate and so my sister screamed  when she went back there and they showed it to  

14:15her and then my older brother he was taken  back and he screamed when he saw the human  

14:22hand he didn’t dissociate and then when I  was taken back I didn’t scream I saw the hand  

14:29and I just dissociated from the situation I  was there with my grandfather and his friend  

14:37I just dissociated and so I was taken back  and so I was selected for trauma-based mind  

14:44control programming sponsored by the Central  Intelligence Agency because there’s a lot of  

14:50people doing it not just the CIA the satanic what  I call the satanical leader also doing it really  

14:57rich people will we consider to be the elite a  lot of them now I’m not saying all I don’t know  

15:05that for sure but what I witnessed was a lot of  them are involved with Satanism and trauma-based  

15:12mind control they put their own kids through it  and so that was the test that we were put through  

15:20uh there at my grandparents house and so I was  selected at the age of five and then the next year  

15:26we began our trauma-based mind control programming  at the Disneyland facility in Anaheim California  

15:35there’s a lot of human human bio programming  trauma-based mind control programming going  

15:41on at Disneyland in Anaheim California I realized  how crazy that sounds but that’s what’s going on  

15:49it the best place to hide something is in plain  sight and so in Disneyland underneath that park  

15:58there are various tunnels and rooms and areas  set up specifically for Monarch programming for  

16:07doing things like filming Kitty porn killing  people human trafficking holding people there  

16:15for use by the agency or other individuals I’m  not entirely sure who else on that but there’s  

16:25a lot going on there and so we every year we’d go  there well not every year I take that back there  

16:33were a couple years we didn’t go I believe and  so I don’t I don’t know Emma how many times I’ve  

16:39been to Disneyland so many times that it it just  every year that’s where we went on family vacation  

16:47um but there was a lot of programming  that took place there I’ve been able to   work through uh my year there in 84 and  my year there in 93 or 95 I forget which  

17:02and so it’s been a lot of work though working  through those those events and those years and  

17:09so I’ll keep working on them and try to get  through them all but there’s a lot there to   work through and so I started to remember  all these awful things taking place in 2017  

17:24um which sent me on this journey to understand  what had happened to me and how I had gotten to  

17:31where I was and Disneyland was part of it because  my wife would ask me you know why can’t you  

17:38remember things about this or that and I couldn’t  tell her a whole lot about our trips to Disneyland  

17:45um and so she noticed that I had memory  issues as far as my past goes and so  

17:53um things like that really started to  push me into exploring what was going on  

18:00um I feel like I should talk about that a  little bit how I came to the point where I  

18:05was where I’m at now does that make sense Emma  yes absolutely yeah let’s do that and then we  

18:13can you know is your connection going okay yeah  it’s good okay my connection’s acting up pretty  

18:20bad and so I’m trying to make sure that you can  still hear me yep I can hear you okay very cool  

18:28yeah so you know Disneyland was a huge part of  our Lives growing up and I didn’t understand the  

18:36context of that until around 2017 when  I started to work through these things  

18:42and so one of the things that pushed me through  even wanting to know what had happened to me in  

18:50my past um was the fact that I felt like something  was wrong in my life because life was really Emma  

19:00pretty good like I had have a beautiful wonderful  wife we have beautiful children we had land in  

19:06Idaho it was a beautiful place and a beautiful  place to be in life but I felt like something was  

19:13wrong all the time in my mind I felt like there  was it’s difficult to explain and my wife noticed  

19:20this as well and one of the things that really was  a catalyst though and so I started to feel like  

19:30something was just a little bit wrong but I also  began to understand I couldn’t remember things  

19:36and so one of the catalysts of that was uh  that Charlie Pride you maybe have heard me  

19:43talk about it before seen it in my website  Charlie Pride I went to that Charlie Pride  

19:48show with my grandparents when I was a teenager  and for the life of me the way that I remembered  

19:56it initially up until 2017 when I started to work  through it I did not meet Charlie Pride I did not  

20:04meet that man he was backstage and I never talked  to him and when my wife and I were talking about  

20:12the picture that he signed it blew me away that  he had actually signed it because in my mind he  

20:20hadn’t signed it we got an autographed picture  there at the show and in my mind only oh two  

20:27maybe three individuals had signed it from the  band but not Charlie and so when my wife said  

20:32no Johnny Charlie signed that picture and I went  and I found it and it was signed it was up in our  

20:39attic it blew me away I was like oh my goodness I  just could not believe it how could it be that I  

20:46couldn’t remember meeting this man he was a famous  country musicianist why wouldn’t I remember that  

20:53and so when I understood that that I  couldn’t remember things I thought well  

20:59it was a hard thing to do Emma but I thought to  myself I need to see a therapist that’s a hard  

21:05thing to accept as an individual that you need to  see a therapist because something’s wrong but I  

21:12made that choice I said something is wrong and  so I started seeing a therapist and I started  

21:18working through it unfortunately I wasn’t able  to see her for very long because uh the things  

21:23that would happen when I’d come to see her uh it  just started to scare her and the things that I  

21:30was talking about she didn’t it was just way  over her head she was this sweet sweet older  

21:36lady this older Christian lady and and it just  it was too much for her really all of it and so I  

21:44was only able to see her for a short time yeah  which was unfortunate but she helped me a lot  

21:51she helped me to work through that first barrier  because in in Monarch programming you hit walls  

21:58you hit walls and they’re difficult to go through  and it takes something to push you sometimes  

22:04through that wall and so that’s really that leads  right into the premise of Monarch programming  

22:12which is dissociation and the creation of multiple  personalities within an individual and so that’s  

22:20the whole point of all of that I don’t know if  we’ve said that another thing I’d like to say just   so folks are aware as we’re talking about these  things we may cover some things that are triggers  

22:31um I don’t know if you warned anyone of that  yet or not but that might be something people  

22:36need to pay attention to so that there  will be triggers in our conversation  

22:42so I started seeing a therapist and and um  started to work through all my memories and  

22:50tried to understand clearly what I had uh  what had happened to me when I was a child  

22:57and what I started to find was just  mind-blowing Emma it just blew me away  

23:03and one day I came home and my wife she was and  she was down taking a walk and I ran down to her  

23:11on her walk there on our property and I said babe  babe this is really weird but you’re married to uh  

23:19CIA Sleeper Agent a CIA sleeper assassin I said  this is really it really freaked me out because  

23:30of the things that I was remembering and one of  the ways that I was able to start working through  

23:36these things really the therapist helped a lot  Emma but what really helped was journaling it out  

23:43I read some of Kathy O’Brien’s work I haven’t  read it all um seems to me like she’s a wonderful  

23:50individual and I think very highly of her but  her work is really interesting and really well  

23:58done and so I read her first book and some of  so when I thought I saw a therapist and started  

24:06to understand that something was wrong and we  started to work through it after that period  

24:12of time started I started looking into Kathy’s  work and one of the things that really blew me  

24:18away in Kathy’s work were the correlations and so  for example there’s a part in Kathy’s book where  

24:26she talks about being programmed to be a message  Courier by someone sticking a knife in her chest  

24:34and the first night I read this I didn’t it didn’t  hit me and I put the book away and I went to bed  

24:42and then the next night I sat down with the book  and I was reading it and I didn’t know where I had  

24:49left off the night before and so I just started  at the top of the page and said I’ll just read   the whole thing and so I started reading the whole  page again and when I came through the the section  

25:01where she talks about the individual sticking  a knife in her it hit me like a ton of bricks  

25:08my uncle doing the same programming to myself  and my uncle was the first person that I remember  

25:15doing it to me I was had that happen to me by  several individuals and was also tortured in  

25:20that way by my grandfather at another experience  in McCall and that was actually on the 4th of  

25:27July that’s something I haven’t written about but  that was a horrific experience they’re just cruel  

25:32people they’re disassociative multiples and so  but back to this back to where I was at and so I  

25:41I remembered this event uh occurring and it just  blew me away because I have a scar on my chest  

25:48in the exact location that Kathy described I just  took my shirt off and I was like holy [ __ ] look  

25:55and I could remember my uncle with the switchblade  sticking it in me making me memorize and things  

26:02that’s what I first remembered and so that was  really shocking the scars that I found on my  

26:09body have really been been difficult to to just  disregard because I have scars that I’m I’ve been  

26:19like well how did I even get that for years  I wonder how did I get this scar where did it  

26:25come from and to remember where I got them is is  interesting it really you just remember how you  

26:33got a scar that’s that’s all there is to it you  just remember um do you have any questions Emma  

26:42I’m sorry I’m talking an awful lot oh you’re  doing awesome thank you so much for everything  

26:47that you’re sharing I know that this stuff you  know it’s like you said it it sounds crazy because  

26:53it is you know these are literal Psychopaths that  are you know collaborating together to exploit the  

27:02gifts that we’re born with in children you know  and it’s just horrific you know and then seeing  

27:08all the different elements that go into these  stories you know people get little Snippets here  

27:14and there about you know human trafficking for  example you know that word was word now but like  

27:21the misunderstanding of what that entails to the  depths of it and even as you were talking about  

27:26with therapy you know it’s really sad even  that in therapeutic settings you know did  

27:33um trauma actually storing in the body manifesting  as disease you know and the different symptoms  

27:38that SRA and MK Ultra survivors go through it’s so  discredited and you know conspiratorial in a sense  

27:47and it’s really sad you know because it’s like  gosh how I mean how much more amazing would your  

27:52healing Journey maybe have been in the beginning  if you would have had a therapist that like was on   the same page with you and was like oh I know  exactly like you have did you know let’s work  

28:01through it yeah of like getting scared you know  so I really appreciate you bringing light to all  

28:06of this because it it doesn’t sound crazy when  you actually hear all the pieces and how they  

28:13fit together in a story like yours you know it  makes sense and so you talking about this is so  

28:20important to validate so many other experiences  of people who maybe can’t get up here and talk   or will never have a voice for whatever reason  you know it’s so validating for people listening  

28:29and for other survivors so you’re doing awesome  yeah well thank you all right on yeah well I’m  

28:36glad you can hear me on that side my internet is  working a little better now so oh good okay yeah I  

28:43wanted to invest so if I can um you mentioned the  4th of July is there anything in particular about  

28:50that day um of why they would choose the Fourth  of July for an event I don’t sell I don’t hear  

28:57that event talked about as much as say Christmas  or some of the other holidays that they choose to  

29:03do really horrible things on and since it’s July  I thought maybe I’d ask you about the significance  

29:08yeah yeah no that’s a good question Emma um  they they use holidays a lot and so are they  

29:16you they use and they used on me holidays a  lot and so I have to pay particular attention  

29:22to those like you say Christmas Thanksgiving  big family get-togethers when people would get  

29:29together my family we lived really close with my  my abuse base was close and so it get-togethers  

29:39even included birthdays I gotta watch those  because a lot of things on your birthday  

29:47um about the Fourth of July I I don’t know quite  how to answer that because it is an important day  

29:55in the country and for various Patriots and  so yeah I I don’t quite know how to answer  

30:04that yeah I don’t know of the randomity  of that date compared to any other so as  

30:10far as the holiday goes anyway yeah that’s  totally fine I appreciate you you know even  

30:15just explaining the holiday concept because it  is you know they they take everything that’s   good and they twist it so it’s not they do  what they do is they turn it upside down  

30:26um yeah to use a trigger is up is down  and so in Satanism and in the project  

30:35um Up Is Down you take good turn it bad you  take bad you make it good dark becomes light  

30:43they’re they’re really into opposites and so it’s  important to pay attention to opposites uh for  

30:50example uh one opposite to pay attention to is uh  in numbers the numbers 666 is always considered to  

30:59be the devil’s number but in Satanism everything’s  inverted and so an even more important number is  

31:06999 because 999 has been inverted and so it has  hidden meaning and so that’s something I pay close  

31:14attention to and I’m out and about and maybe  there’s a car that is making me uncomfortable  

31:21what is this license plate say so yeah just as a  side note there um but maybe what I wouldn’t mind  

31:30doing really quick Emma is explaining to folks  what trauma-based mind control is because there  

31:37might be some folks who don’t understand that and  this helps to explain why I’m trying to blow the  

31:42whistle on this because I’ve tried very hard to  blow the whistle on this I’ve contacted the FBI  

31:48I’ve contacted the Attorney General of the United  States I’ve contacted Trump when he was in office  

31:54I don’t trust Biden I’m not going to contact  Biden I don’t want to get into politics but  

32:00I’ve contacted a lot of people and I’ve tried to  blow the whistle on this even down to talking to  

32:07local sheriffs and everyone is just afraid of  it they they don’t even know how to even as law  

32:15enforcement to process it or they’ve been told  to shut up and they’re not going to talk to me  

32:20about it right one or the other one or the other  yeah and so what it is the Central Intelligence  

32:28agency’s trauma-based mind control program it is  essentially taking children um and bringing them  

32:37up through trauma the most important children  are children who were generationally abused  

32:44so children who abuses runs in their family one  of the most horrific forms of abuse for a child to  

32:53push you to a point of dissociation is child abuse  and child abuse by your own family it’s it’s awful  

33:02and it’s so awful that it pushes your mind out  of your body you disassociate sometimes you leave  

33:08entirely and I can remember I have several flashes  of I should say on that of being out of my body  

33:17I can remember being out of my body when I was  in the depth tanks and they had run me through  

33:23suicide programming but that was a different  experience but they will push you out of your body  

33:28and the point of the whole project is just that  to find children that disassociate who are strong  

33:36in dissociation and the strongest ones come from  generationally abusive families and a lot of those  

33:45generationally abusive families uh come from Elite  bloodlines and so the rich are into this like I  

33:53was saying the very wealthy they live a completely  different lifestyle one might say than the general  

33:59population and the strongest that disassociate  are those that come from generationally abusive  

34:09families and then you include in that satanic  generationally abusive families and that’s what  

34:15I come from is from a generational a satanic  generationally abusive family my family are  

34:22satanists and they’re hiding in the Mormon Church  religious institutions are free of this and it’s  

34:29not only the government religious institutions are  aware of this I was raised in the Mormon church  

34:36and so that’s where my background comes from and  I was connected to Gordon B Hinckley and Thomas  

34:43Monson and Aaron and those are the individuals  that were in my life I was going to be placed  

34:49under uh Hinckley in an internship in Salt Lake  but back to what I was talking about with the  

34:56purpose of it the purpose of it and how they do it  is they do it through trauma and um so they abuse  

35:04you from the time that you’re born I can remember  being abused as far back as I can remember and  

35:12and then they make you witness awful things and so  my grandfather for example he was a psychopath and  

35:19he killed people for the CIA and so I would have  to witness this firsthand as well as the disposal  

35:26of individuals which was very bad to go through  and so I don’t eat pork a lot of people that were  

35:34were killed by the agency and the satanic Network  were fed to Hawks they’re fed to pigs pigs will  

35:42eat anything and so I’ve heard people talk about  well where’s the evidence where are the bodies  

35:48for these things well they were fed to Hogs it’s  they control Hog Farms and so there’s also other  

35:56means such as there’s a beetle that’ll eat the  human body as well and so I’ve witnessed those  

36:02being used as well and those are not a very cheap  option they’re very expensive um so you witness  

36:10all these horrible things the first time I can  remember people being killed was in Disneyland  

36:17um this little girl that was held under the  park there and we were taken off of a ride  

36:23um and taken down under the park and then made  to witness uh what I would call a blood sacrifice  

36:30ceremony of sorts and um that’s a long story  do you want me to tell that story it’s kind of  

36:37gruesome I can tell it if you want it’s up to you  if you’re comfortable telling it I know it always  

36:43gives listeners context but there’s absolutely no  pressure If it’s not something that you want to   get into right now okay I don’t mind talking  about it these things are all pretty awful  

36:52and they’re you know I live through it so and on  this too like your your the audience listening to  

37:01you they’ve listened to you know they kind of  expect a level of discomfort you know they’re  

37:07they’re listening to horrible things every episode  you know so you’re in front of the right people   who are going to be receptive to you know holding  and holding space for what you’re saying okay okay  

37:17so at Disneyland uh one of the ways that they do  programming and this isn’t the only way but one  

37:26of the ways is uh they will act like a ride broke  down and so you’ll be loaded on the ride and then  

37:33the ride will start up and usually you’re put  in between various cars so my family my older  

37:40brother and sister oftentimes would be loaded in  front of us me and my younger brother because my  

37:46younger brother was also selected uh during the  test for Alex Houston and so he also went through  

37:53a lot of a lot of trauma-based mind control  programming and we went through it together  

37:58and so we would be loaded on the right but they’d  put a car between us or two and then put us on and  

38:06then send us in and then the ride would break down  and it would stop and it wouldn’t be going and a  

38:14moment or two would go by we would be unloaded  from that ride it would be in the it would stop  

38:21at the right spot and we would be unloaded from  the ride and we would be taken under the park  

38:27and in one particular instance on my first trip  there I can remember being taken under the park  

38:33taken off the ride and being made to witness my  grandfather um yeah committing murder under the  

38:42park so what happened is uh it was the wild toe  bride and it stopped out in the ride I was with  

38:50my little brother and my dad and someone came  out through a door out of the the ride setting  

38:57and they got us but my we were scared me and  my little brother and so we didn’t want to go  

39:04without our dad and he came with us that time  this was right at the beginning of it all in my  

39:09life as far as programming at Disneyland and so  he came with us and we went under the park and

39:19and when we got down into the tunnels we  were taken into a room by this young man  

39:25and my grandfather was in this room it was  very dark my grandfather was in there he had  

39:31the robe on a black robe and he was very angry  at this individual for bringing my dad he told  

39:38him not to bring my dad with him and so he he  had to take my dad back up my grandpa he took  

39:45me and my little brother back into this other  room and in that room Emma were cages set up  

39:52in that room and they were set up around what  I would consider to be an altar and that altar  

39:59was there for for killing people for killing  the children that were held under the park in  

40:07these cages and so this might be really hard for  people to hear but these people are inhuman and  

40:13the trauma that they’re trying to initiate is so  bad it’s unimaginable there are two children that  

40:20were held under the park at that time in cages  and my grandfather he he killed in front of me  

40:26and my little brother one of the girls that was  held there she was just this sweet little girl  

40:33and he just took her out yeah and he he put her on  the on the Altar and he he killed that little girl  

40:41and the altar was designed so that um the  blood of the people that they would kill  

40:48would be caught and they would catch it in a in a  bowl it was usually white because of the contrast  

40:55of the blood and see blood Emma that’s drawn  through trauma it has certain chemicals in it  

41:03and satanists believed that that blood is powerful  and it gives them longevity in life and so a lot  

41:11of the stuff that we’re talking about too when  we’re talking about traum-based mind control is  

41:17um it’s very satanic and it’s involved with dark  magic when I first remembered or or I shouldn’t  

41:25say first remember when I first started to  remember and it when I realized what I had  

41:33lived through it hit me so hard when I broke  through the wall when I was with my therapist  

41:42and now we’re going back to 2017 when I see my  therapist it it felt as though I had broken a  

41:49very powerful spell that is the only way I could  describe it to my wife was that a very powerful  

41:59spell had been broken and so there’s a lot of  Satanism involved with that in particular in  

42:06what I was what I experienced and what I lived  through unfortunately and what a lot of other  

42:12people live through which is terrible but back  to Disneyland that little girl was uh murdered  

42:19and we were made to drink and consume her blood  my grandfather made my little brother and I both  

42:26also drink they started that from a very young  age and that followed through my life up until

42:34I was a young adult the last time I can remember  being made to do that was on an operation in Haley  

42:43Idaho there and outside of Ketchum and so then  you’d be put back on the ride so at Disneyland  

42:51we were made to be involved with these things  and then we’d be put back on the ride and then  

42:56the ride would start up again all these things we  were also made to make porn under there that was a  

43:02common theme and um and be involved with things  of that nature there are also people Emma that  

43:10were there being programmed for acting which is  interesting to me and so that in the project in  

43:19the program there are your program a lot of people  are programmed for different life paths I would  

43:25call them and so for me I was being raised uh in a  family where we got rid of people for the federal  

43:33government that’s what we did as a family and we  also got rid of people with the satanic Network  

43:41and the satanic Network that I was involved  with is directly connected to the Mormon Church  

43:47which is it’s just too bad that the religious  institutions are involved with these things but  

43:55that’s somewhere that Satan is hide and so the  Mormon church is well aware of trauma-based mind  

44:01control programming and and they’re directly  involved with it they provide generationally  

44:07abused children to the church one of the big  things in the church for example is genealogy  

44:13that genealogy that they’re working on is also  used to find Elite family Bloodlines satanic  

44:19family Bloodlines and they’re able to follow that  and they’re able to work with those children this  

44:26helps them in the project and so these various  institutions such as religion government those  

44:32are able to be used by the satanic Elite and by  the government intelligence Community for various  

44:40things and that’s one of the things that they  use it for and so I’ve jumped around an awful  

44:47lot I want to finish up on on the premise  of trauma-based mind control programming  

44:53um because it is important and so the premise  of it is to cause you to disassociate through  

45:01trauma we talked about that and then once you are  in that state of disassociation and Trauma they  

45:09program you we could call it with a new  personality for whatever it is they want you  

45:17doing in that personality and so there are lots  of different personalities that they will create  

45:24I don’t know how many I have but I’ve learned to  work through them that’s something that I still  

45:30work with and still have to work through and  they will create them for uh doing things like  

45:39um well we’ve talked about assassinations that  will program you to do such things as that or  

45:45murder for the network they will also program  you to make pornography I was made to make an  

45:52extensive amount of child pornography I was used  as a child to make I I can’t even tell you how  

46:00much and my family was heavily involved with that  they had a video store there in Nampa and and so  

46:08out the front door they’d be renting videos about  Disneyland and the recent Blockbusters and then  

46:14out the back door would go kitty porn it was  very messed up and I can remember being made  

46:20to be involved with that uh clear up into being a  young adult and that’s something that the satanic  

46:27leader into too what we’re talking about are  moral boundaries and if you’re a Satanist you  

46:33are not concerned about moral boundaries those  are something for common people and so yeah it’s  

46:41difficult to get into the minds of those folks  they’re yeah they’re not very healthy but the  

46:49premise of it is to create those personalities so  that they can use you for various tasks and one  

46:55of the benefits of of a mind slave because that’s  what it is you’re a slave you’re a trauma-based  

47:01mind slave you’re living in a state of mind  slavery which to me is one of the worst things  

47:07you can do to an individual and that’s one of the  reasons that I’m so outspoken on this is because  

47:13you steal someone’s free will to to live their  life and do what they will with their own body  

47:20and their own mind they steal your mind through  this process of disassociation and the creation  

47:26of another personality or multiples of them and  so it’s a terrible thing to do you’re stealing  

47:34someone’s Free Will which is just wrong you’re  you’re living in an upside down um world and

47:44what they’re able to do Emma is make it so that  you can’t remember being in that personality or  

47:52going through the trauma that you endured and  so yes you are caused to dissociate you’re put  

47:59through trauma which in and of itself is difficult  on the human mind and difficult to recall pure  

48:05trauma and then you add into it creating a  multiple personality well the CIA in particular  

48:12has gotten very good at the scientific aspect  of it we’re going to call it and one of those  

48:18scientific aspects is hypnosis this is an old  practice that is very effective on disassociative  

48:28people and they will use uh hypnosis every time I  was put through trauma I was put through hypnosis  

48:35afterward to remember to forget those events and  they will put various things in that hypnosis  

48:43like suicide programming and things like that if  if that’s what they’re working with and so they  

48:52will use hypnosis and then another thing that  they will use is electrocution and so my father  

48:58he was given when I was six years old and I was  in Disneyland they’re in 84 we were at the hotel  

49:04and um this is where nefarious individual named  Mr bird comes in because um I knew Senator Robert  

49:13Burke he was a scumbag he was in charge of of  funding the Central Intelligence agency’s mind  

49:21control program not a good person and he was  friends with my grandfather my grandfather and  

49:27him worked together I’m not quite positive about  the extent of that but it seemed to be pretty  

49:33extensive from what I can remember and so when I  was in Disneyland we were me and my little brother  

49:40we were sent out and we’re in a hotel to backtrack  just a little bit just to digress we were in  

49:46a hotel we’ve been at Disneyland all day this  was after we’d witnessed that that little girl  

49:52um having you know being murdered and we were  taken back to the hotel after that day at the  

50:00hottest part of the day and we went swimming and  so when we were swimming my mother she stayed in  

50:09the hotel and she came and got us after a short  time my dad he was out soon with us but my mom  

50:15came out and she got my little brother and I and  my dad and brought us back inside and um there was  

50:22someone there to see us and so we went out front  and it was my grandfather and Senator Berg and  

50:27they were there uh they had a black Cadillac that  they had driven there they like fancy nice cars  

50:34and they were both in suits and as a kid I was  like my God it’s so hot how can you even be in  

50:40that thing and that was um that was the first year  as a Disneyland and bird gave my father a taser  

50:50at that time out there in the parking lot he  said here this is for uh working with the kids  

50:56you have to use this on them and he explained  that we had to pick a spot on our bodies where  

51:02we were going to get hit with this thing for  the rest of our lives because it leaves a scar   and I have that scar right here on my leg and I  was always told it was a birthmark as far back  

51:13as I can remember but I’m like no no no dude I  remember that’s not that’s not a birthmark and so

51:25um we were hit with a taser after we talked to  them so Mr bird and my grandfather they left they  

51:32talked to us for a little while you know asked us  how Disneyland was and all that and asked how we   were doing because we were pretty shook up from  it as little kids really you know and then we  

51:42were taken back into the hotel and my father hit  us with those things and you want to talk about   betrayal and uh the feeling of just pure betrayal  because I had no idea what was coming I was six  

51:53years old and to be taken back into the bathroom  and you know my dad’s like so where are we gonna  

52:00do this thing at and I had to choose you know on  my leg and and then Wham and I just went down and  

52:08the pain is just Indescribable of what that thing  does but it it it it erases your it doesn’t erase  

52:16your memory it compartmentalizes it it pushes it  away it pushes it back and with the hypnotism you  

52:23give did a conduit to go away as well that’s  something else that’s important because these  

52:31things are all used in conjunction with each other  it’s not just you can do one thing and expect an  

52:37outcome and so they’re all used in conjunction  they have it down to a science and so people like  

52:43me because we disassociate and we have multiple  personalities for multiple purposes we’re used  

52:51for a lot of Nefarious and illegal activities by  the federal government and so you’d be brought in  

52:57for for basically the Dirty Deeds of the federal  government what they needed to do that that could  

53:05not be out in the open and they needed to have  full deniability of it and so I was involved with  

53:11things like assassinations for example where we  would be sent in and we would get rid of people  

53:18I was used in um in Japan for example over  in Kobe Japan that was in 1997 I want to say  

53:29and I was taken over there and we got rid of a man  named masaro takumi and I was a sniper that was  

53:37positioned up on a roof because the gang that was  going in see the Massaro takumi story is very long  

53:46because Masaru was connected to the cult the  alumsham rikyo cult and the gassing of the Tokyo  

53:57subway system he he provided funds he didn’t know  it he didn’t know he was providing funds to the OM  

54:05shinrichio and that they were going to use it to  gas the Tokyo subway system he didn’t know but his  

54:13mistress was the brother of heideki sejal who it  was a famous musicianist in Japan he died back in  

54:222018 when I started to remember all these things  all of a sudden heideki dies of a heart attack  

54:28within oh I forget how long when I started to  remember it was terrible but he was involved  

54:36because he supported the OM shinrichial cult  and he would provide them with funds I don’t  

54:43know that he knew what they were going to do  with him either but his sister who was masaru’s  

54:49mistress would ask Masaru for money she’d give it  to her brother he’d give it to the cold and that  

54:56cult ended up gassing the Tokyo subway system  but the cult itself was an MK Ultra product  

55:03this is such a such a twisted deep Network that  they have created and so those people in that  

55:11cult that were at the top were mind slaves and  they were created uh through Monarch programming  

55:18and they were a CIA asset and the CIA was well  aware that they were going to gas the Tokyo subway  

55:24system and the Pentagon even provided the gas they  are the ones who sold the Colt the gas to do it  

55:33which is it’s incredible the way the network  goes but people aren’t all good and they don’t  

55:42all see the world through the same eyes that  that people who are good see the world through  

55:49and that is a problem but we can learn to work  through it part of the problem is the National  

55:55Security Act a lot of these things are hidden  behind the 1947 National Security Act and people  

56:01have no idea what’s going on they don’t know and  it’s all under lock and key labeled as top secret  

56:08and classified and people aren’t allowed  to see it and so it’s a terrible thing but  

56:15right yeah do you have any questions  Emma I’ve been talking an awful lot   no you’re doing great this is a lot of information  I appreciate you giving some background on that  

56:26um again it makes it validating to understand the  logistics and the intent behind creating something  

56:36like this because without the context again all  this stuff the way that it has been leaked into  

56:43society the little bits and pieces that people  get again it becomes conspiratorial so really  

56:50understanding the history and the purpose in  realizing we’re not taught about how powerful  

56:55our bodies are and our brains are in school that  that information that the Divinity within us is  

57:01left out of any education like people feel like  crap we have depression everywhere and if people  

57:07understood how how they could use something  that you understand that was exploited in you  

57:13for something good yeah you could be able to in  an instant turn all this around you know but they  

57:20hide that Divinity from us and instead they know  it exists and they exploit it on the back end and  

57:26profit from it and it is so sick and sad you know  and again like you being able to to break that  

57:33down so eloquently and to articulate the purposes  why somebody would want a mind sleeve right why  

57:41wouldn’t the government want just kind of not  Expendable people but people that aren’t them to  

57:47do their Dirty Deeds so they can continue to be in  the spotlight and look good and have other people   go and do the stuff that they you know are to you  know cowardly to do themselves in a sense and and  

57:58so evil to even want to do to begin with you know  so I just want to thank you for giving some of  

58:04that history because it really does help people  connect dots on their head and say that makes  

58:10sense like I could see our government wanting to  do that I could see how and why somebody would  

58:15choose a church to hide this in you know it’s the  perfect disguise exactly how you know Freemasons  

58:21hide in plain view and through charity and they’re  so evil you know and even mentioned Disney you  

58:27know he was a Walt Disney was a Freemason I’ve  heard higher than the 33rd degree but I mean these  

58:33people hide in these very you know charismatic  and exciting archetypes you know and even talking  

58:40about your grandpa like wearing the identity of  a a singer that’s just literally a an alias it  

58:49wasn’t even his true identity you know these  things are so left out of society so I really  

58:55appreciate what you’re bringing to the table  because it does validate these stories on such a   deep level and I know it’s going to be it’s going  to be very helpful in connecting dots with people  

59:04yeah yeah all the stories coming together do  help connect the dots but something I’d like  

59:10to add when I first started to remember these  things I had a friend of mine ask me he said why  

59:17would they do this why would they why would they  want someone like that why wouldn’t they just have  

59:24have an agent or a soldier do that and the reason  Emma is because it’s not all black and white and  

59:34if you have a healthy minded individual who is  your agent or Soldier and you tell them I want  

59:41you to kill this man who is an enemy of the state  and I want you to kill his wife and his children  

59:51as well that individual is going to say he’s  going to question that or she that individual  

59:59if they’re a healthy minded individual is going  to question that that’s immoral and that’s one  

1:00:05of the reasons that they want mind slaves it is  because they don’t remember because they will do  

1:00:11things such as smuggle drugs or be used in porn or  be used for blackmail or be used for assassination  

1:00:17and they won’t remember but it’s also because they  will do what you tell them to do without question  

1:00:25that’s a big key to it as well and so I had to  explain that to my friend and when you bring that  

1:00:33into context it also helps with an understanding  of it because it is dark and it is evil I was used  

1:00:41um so I was raised in in this program  with through the Central Intelligence   Agency and I was used for all kinds of Nefarious  things including child porn and assassinations  

1:00:54which is too bad it’s a terrible thing  and a terrible thing to live with but

1:01:05and I do if I could ask you one question actually  yeah you can I mean the role that your parents  

1:01:11played in this or how like kind of their history  and their role um whether they were mind control  

1:01:18slaves to you or sort of how they fit into the  picture well that’s a good question Emma yeah so  

1:01:26my father he was very he was abusive but he seems  as though he was a disassociative multiple in some  

1:01:33way as well and he was involved with the project  because my grandfather it involved all of us in  

1:01:41the project that he was able to and so my father  he was involved with the project but he didn’t  

1:01:47we all have strength strengths and  weaknesses and my father um he made  

1:01:55it so far I guess you would say in the project  and his role um when he had us was to raise us  

1:02:04um to raise us in the program and in the  project and so he was one of our key abusers  

1:02:11and so it seems to me that he was a  disassociated multiple because of the  

1:02:16horrendous abuse that he was capable of my mother  she also seems to be a dissociated multiple but  

1:02:24I don’t yeah I I pray for my mother I hope that  she’s okay but yeah but I that’s a difficult one  

1:02:35because she seems to me more like a tool than  anything who is disassociative and they’re able  

1:02:42to work with and keep her under control I would  say and so my parents um yeah does that answer  

1:02:54your question yes thank you so much for that yeah  because I know it does it does have a generational  

1:03:00effect you know and a lot of times unfortunately  there does seem to be more of a I know they’re all  

1:03:08unconscious to a degree but there’s there does  seem to be kind of a leader in the family that   originally takes on the role and then it’s very  dissociative on the way down you know to where  

1:03:18it’s just an autopilot you know multi-generational  it’s how the trauma stores and the DNA you know  

1:03:23it just becomes like a normal pattern in the  family so it’s really sad to hear about that   you know that your father also didn’t you know  have his Free Will and you know was forced to do  

1:03:35these horrific things it’s just it’s disgusting  and it’s sad you know it’s yeah yeah it is yeah  

1:03:43but that is what they do though they use families  because families have a huge bind of trust within  

1:03:51them you know you’re your family that’s someone  that you should be able to trust right completely  

1:03:59yeah not in the project yeah so so I was raised  in this in the cia’s mind control program but we  

1:04:08were protected through the Mormon church I would  say a message that I would like to communicate  

1:04:14is that the more my church is being controlled by  a satanic Kabul those men who are up there at the  

1:04:22top those men are not good people they’re very bad  people I personally knew Hinckley I’d met him back  

1:04:31in 95 after he became the prophet and I met Thomas  Monson and they were both bad people not good and  

1:04:42Hinckley I met because my my uncle and CIA Handler  he did the presentation for Hinckley I I don’t  

1:04:50know if you’re LDS at all or if you were raised in  the church Emma but that in the church the prophet  

1:04:57he’s like the head guy he’s the pope you would  say of the LDS church and he was invited to to uh  

1:05:07to my uncle’s Ward I suppose he was invited he  came to my uncle’s Ward to speak in Haley Idaho  

1:05:13and that’s where I met him because I was told  that I had to come and meet the prophet and see  

1:05:19him speak and so we went and my uncle he housed us  me and a friend of mine who was also a mind slave  

1:05:26as well uh I was I was raised around other kids  that were also my slaves said that we’re in the  

1:05:33project and in the program and we’d be used to  handle each other and keep each other in line  

1:05:39uh or be used for um aliases for various things  you know where was so and so oh well this person  

1:05:48can vouch that they were over here but we met  we met Hinckley there in Haley uh they we did  

1:05:55a presentation for him because my uncle arranged  it because Hinckley had just become the prophet of  

1:06:01the Mormon Church the president and he wanted to  know what was going on with the Mormon kids from  

1:06:09abusive families and satanic families he wanted  to know what the government was doing with us  

1:06:15and so me and this other kid Chris we were used  in the presentation and it was done in my uncle’s  

1:06:22basement in his office there and we were used to  show what it was that they were doing with us and  

1:06:31so I thought as a kid you know that I was going to  hear the prophet speak and I was just going to go  

1:06:37to church and that was that but we went to church  and we heard Hinckley talk and it was really weird  

1:06:44when he even arrived at all because he came in  through the side door after a church had already  

1:06:49started and then he was seated up in the front and  he sat next to my uncle and they talked for quite  

1:06:56a while and it looked like they were having quite  the conversation I can remember watching them and   I was like my goodness what is what is Gail doing  talking with Hinckley what are they talking about  

1:07:06because you got to keep in mind we’re in the  middle of the service someone’s given a talk  

1:07:11you know and so they’re up there talking and then  Hinckley was finally got up he gave his talk it  

1:07:19was short and and just just pretty mundane I was  blown away I was expecting something prophetic  

1:07:27like wow this is the profit this is going to  be incredible I’m going to be moved Emma Beyond  

1:07:33imagination no I it was like wow okay I’ve heard  that talk like ten thousand times in my Mormon  

1:07:41past you know and so that was a little  disappointing and then they they he sat down after  

1:07:48giving his talk and he talked to my uncle for a  little while more and then they left the prophet  

1:07:53left uh in the middle of the meeting they said  okay everyone we’re stopping for a minute and the  

1:07:59prophet’s leaving and so they all laughed through  the same side door they’d come in but when he’d   come into Emma he was surrounded by bodyguards uh  the prophet which blew me away I was I was a young  

1:08:11man and I’m sitting there and I’m like why why  would the Mormon prophet need to be surrounded  

1:08:17by bodyguards it didn’t make much sense to me in  my mind because I figured if you were a man of God  

1:08:22God’s going to take care of you until it’s time  to go and then it’s time to go and so what’s the  

1:08:29problem why would you worry about it if you were  the prophet well he was surrounded by bodyguards  

1:08:34and so then they all laughed and then sacrament  meeting ended and uh Chris and I we had been  

1:08:41told that we’re supposed to go back over to my  uncle’s house after church and we’re supposed to  

1:08:48um come back over there because there was  something going on and so we were told to   head over there and we got into our car we drove  over there first I talked to my cousin because I  

1:08:58was a little nervous about it uh I was like why  are we going over there what’s going on and so I  

1:09:04went and found my cousin and she told me no we’re  not going back over to the house well what are you  

1:09:09talking about and her and her friends went back  in the building well Chris and I were like well we   better get over there you know my I knew my uncle  didn’t like to be made to wait and so we headed up  

1:09:19there drove up to the house we went inside seemed  like no one was there we went down in the basement  

1:09:25and uh knocked on the door well we were  supposed to do a secret handshake my  

1:09:31uncle had shown me this handshake you  see Emma before this the night before  

1:09:38all this happened before the prophet spoke we  stayed at my uncle’s house and we stayed in  

1:09:45the basement next to my uncle’s office and  uh we were very heavily abused that night  

1:09:53because they were getting us ready to meet the  Mormon prophet my grandfather came up from the  

1:09:58Boise Valley it was about a two and a half three  hour drive from Boise to Haley my grandfather  

1:10:04drove up and another individual that I know is  Kyle he was there and if Kyle wouldn’t have been  

1:10:11there it would have been really bad my grandfather  might have killed us it was such a horrible  

1:10:17experience and my grandfather was out of his mind  and so they tortured us through the night I don’t  

1:10:23I’m not sure how long they tortured us for and and  worked on us to get us ready for in the morning  

1:10:30and in the morning when I woke up I felt terrible  Emma I just felt horrible and my body would just  

1:10:37felt awful and I I couldn’t understand why I  was like is the room stuffy what is wrong with  

1:10:43me and got out of bed got moving and my uncle  he met me in the hall and he told me that he  

1:10:51needed to show me a handshake and this is where  he told me I needed to come back to the house   after church and he showed me this handshake  and he said you need to remember this because  

1:11:01when you come back after church you need to come  down to the office and you you need to know this  

1:11:06handshake to get in the door when you get here  and I was just kind of like okay like I was half  

1:11:13awake I’d been up all night being tortured and  he showed it to me and I could not remember it  

1:11:19and he says do you got it and I tried it again  and I I couldn’t hardly remember this handshake  

1:11:26and he he was like okay you got it you’re good  and then he left and in my mind I was like oh  

1:11:33no I don’t got it I sure hope I got it because  I don’t feel like I do and then and so we went  

1:11:41to church and we listened to the prophet and all  that and then we came back to the house well now  

1:11:47we’re standing at the door to get into his office  and I knocked on the door and Chris he’s behind me  

1:11:52and Chris he was a young man he was a funny kid he  had a loaf of bread we’d been fasting all morning  

1:11:58because we were supposed to fast we were often  told we couldn’t eat when we were going through  

1:12:03programming sections because it affects the human  mind it puts you into more of a survival State and  

1:12:10so we were fasting quote that morning and so Chris  he grabbed a loaf of bread on the way in and he’s  

1:12:17standing there eating a loaf of bread and I know  on the door and the door I hear some noise inside  

1:12:24and I was like oh man what what is going on in  here and the door opens and a hand sticks out  

1:12:32and I see the hand and I realize okay I have to  know the handshake now and so I tried to shake  

1:12:39his hand and remember but Emma I couldn’t remember  what the handshake was my uncle had not programmed  

1:12:45me well enough to remember it these people are not  perfect and they don’t get everything right and in  

1:12:52my mind you know they have a process but they’re  really not that great at it there’s a lot of flaws  

1:12:58to it and yeah part of it is just because they’re  scum but I couldn’t remember the handshake and so

1:13:08so the hand goes back in and the door closes  and I hear some some murmuring behind the  

1:13:15door and I was like oh no I did not remember  it now in the project Emma if you screwed up  

1:13:21you just period you didn’t know how long you were  going to be alive you witnessed so many people die  

1:13:27in front of you and part of that was to keep you  honest on a constant state of alertness that you  

1:13:34better keep your [ __ ] together and you better  do your job right or you might be the one who’s  

1:13:39next and so I was a little afraid about the fact  that I couldn’t remember well Chris just pushed  

1:13:45me out of the way luckily Chris could remember  well I guess luckily we should have ran the hell   out of there at that moment but Chris could  remember and he pushed me out of the way he  

1:13:55knocked on the door the hand came out and he was  able to shake it and we were able to go inside  

1:14:01and so he did remember because my uncle showed it  to him as well and so we went inside and uh Gordon  

1:14:08was in there with his Entourage of bodyguards at  first I couldn’t see Gordon I was just walking in  

1:14:14this room and there’s all these dudes in there in  suits of various ages but a lot of them were young  

1:14:19men there was an older gentleman there I remember  and we went in there and Gordon he was sitting  

1:14:25at my uncle’s desk and he was turned backward so  that we couldn’t see him and my uncle was standing  

1:14:31there and he says come in boys there’s someone I  want you to meet well it was Gordon it was Gordon   B Hinckley he was there and that was the reason  for his trip to Haley it wasn’t to give that  

1:14:41mundane speech or talk at church it was because he  was interested in the project and we were there to  

1:14:48do a presentation for him and so that night before  we had um we had gone you could say we’d gone  

1:14:55through the presentation and all the aspects of  everything we were going to cover in this present  

1:15:01Temptation and so we were made to we were made to  strip naked there in front of Gordon we were made  

1:15:08to enact homosexual acts have homosexual  sex they’re in front of Hinckley we were  

1:15:16um made to electrocute each other with a cattle  prod in various ways uh yeah my grandfather had  

1:15:24brought the cattle brand he was yeah not a  very good person and then we were made to  

1:15:30um show him assassinations and not just how did  how we do it but how we would even die ourselves  

1:15:41and so because as a mindsave you mentioned  disposability a little while ago well you just  

1:15:49might be disposable and there are a lot of folks  in the project that are disposable but the what  

1:15:56what are called The Chosen are not we’re going to  say disposable you could be used as disposable if  

1:16:05it was for some big purpose like some kind of  cultural or social or political event and you  

1:16:12were going to die in it you could be uh you could  be killed in that way but for the general rule I  

1:16:19would say those that weren’t of the chosen were  the ones selected to be killed most of the time  

1:16:25but in this particular presentation I was made  to get on my knees and I was Buck ass naked we  

1:16:31both were and Chris held a knife to my throat  and they explained how you know I would die  

1:16:38and Chris would kill me and Chris he would have  killed me Emma that he was starting to push that  

1:16:44knife into my throat I could feel it pierce the  skin I could feel the blood running down my neck  

1:16:50and in my mind I was like oh [ __ ] is Gail pissed  at me that’s what was going through my head are  

1:17:00they pissed at me did I do something and this is  it like it’s over and so I started to turn my head  

1:17:06because my uncle and Hinckley were talking  and it would this was all just normal stuff  

1:17:13like like you know two two three guys all sitting  around talking about it though there were several  

1:17:18others in the room but those guys were there as  as uh security that they you know they were just  

1:17:25talking and about these things as I’m on there  on my knees and I had to turn my head so that my  

1:17:32uncle when he finally looked my way again could  see that I was bleeding and that I was about to   Chris was about to kill me and my uncle was like  Hey Chris don’t kill Johnny what are you doing  

1:17:43you know don’t kill him we’re not We’re not gonna  kill him right now and so he took the knife away  

1:17:49and they didn’t kill me which which is good it you  know I’m glad to be alive but we also demonstrated  

1:17:57pain as well but right after that we demonstrated  what we what they do to not talk to program us to  

1:18:05not talk because that was a big question Hinckley  had how do you keep them from talking so after  

1:18:11this presentation see Emma I was going to be  moved into a position directly under Hinckley  

1:18:17I was supposed to be in some kind of internship  I don’t quite understand it I was being moved   to the Salt Lake Area to Sandy Utah and I was  going to be um under Hinckley in some kind of an  

1:18:28internship thing that’s the reason that I went and  met Thomas Monson and met with airing was because  

1:18:34I was supposed to be moved up there and they were  going to be using me for things and so this was   the first time that I’d met Hinckley was at this  presentation that that we’re doing it there in  

1:18:44Haley well I’d seen him speak but this is when I  really met him and he had this guy there with him  

1:18:52um but back to the not talking thing okay he  wanted to know how how we were kept from talking   and so we were brought up to the desk and we were  made to hold knives to our genitalia and and say  

1:19:04that we would remove our own manhood if we were  to ever talk and this is the kind of programming  

1:19:10that they’re putting in these young people’s  minds and this is such a horrific thing that  

1:19:16that as a young man it would just it’s awful  and so even the thought of it is horrible and  

1:19:24so these are the kinds of things that they’re  programming young people to do in the event   that they would ever talk and so we would at  that time yeah I’d never talked at that time  

1:19:36and then the next thing that we did uh was we  were tortured by an individual there in hinckley’s  

1:19:43entourage because Hinckley even after all these  things Emma was still skeptical how you know you  

1:19:50have to picture this guy and he’s watching all  these things well how do you really know that  

1:19:56it’s all working that that this isn’t all just a  show and so we were to be tortured and the rule  

1:20:03was that we weren’t allowed to be bruised or  scarred and so they couldn’t do anything to us  

1:20:09that would bruise us or scar us because people  would ask questions about that scars are a big  

1:20:14deal in Monarch programming you’re not a if  someone else scars you they’re in deep [ __ ]  

1:20:20you don’t want to hurt one of the chosen because  there are consequences to that and I’ll get into  

1:20:26that we got rid of people that would that harm  or injure me for example but Hinckley he picked a  

1:20:36guy so one of hinckley’s guys was supposed to do  the torturing for him because he wanted to know  

1:20:42that it was properly done and that pain was truly  administered if my uncle did it how was he to know  

1:20:49that he was really doing it and so he picked this  guy he was an older guy I’m not quite sure how  

1:20:55old it seems like 50s or 60s or something maybe a  little older and he was ex-military very short uh  

1:21:02flat top style haircut and uh he tortured us both  and he twisted our arms is what he did he twisted  

1:21:10our arms up behind our backs and just reamed  them and twisted them good um this left no Scar  

1:21:16and it didn’t bruise anything and I can remember  being put through that and it was really painful  

1:21:22uh but we didn’t scream that was part of our  programming we would enter what I call my 10  

1:21:28month 10-man programming and so this goes back to  The Wizard of Oz programming uh they used various  

1:21:36formats we’ll call it for programming such as  the Wizard of Oz Alice in Wonderland Batman Etc  

1:21:42and so my Tin Man personality kicked in and when  you’re in that state you work through the pain  

1:21:52um but you don’t it’s difficult to describe it’s  there but you’re able to block it out there are  

1:22:00times when I blocked it out entirely and have  not felt anything and there’s times where it  

1:22:06is painful but you are able to work through it uh  this time with this guy it was painful and I was  

1:22:15able to work through it and so he tortured  us both and then we did the presentation  

1:22:20and this convinced distinctly because this  it was his guy doing it you know and then  

1:22:27um and then we did uh remote viewing for  Gordon remote viewing and psychic abilities  

1:22:34are something that people are prone to who have  been abused and so the young children who’ve  

1:22:41been abused for their whole life are more prone  to psychic abilities than are uh healthy minded  

1:22:48people who have not been put through such things  and part of the reason I would say Emma is that  

1:22:58you have a closer relationship to the other side  when you are in real need does that make sense

1:23:11yeah it’s like your senses it’s like you have  hyper sensibility in in a way where everything  

1:23:16is constantly like your discernment you’re so  much more aware of things than other people  

1:23:22and can pick up on energies and can pick up on  cues and emotions and just yeah like it gets  

1:23:30very spiritual when you talk about that aspect of  it you know and Society doesn’t want to believe  

1:23:35and that but that’s that’s where Society goes  wrong because these people know that these gifts  

1:23:41exist you know and that they can exploit them you  know and it’s very very real I’ve I 100 believe  

1:23:48that and it absolutely makes sense yeah yeah so  they’re able to use that a lot in the project of  

1:23:56different people for various things I was used  for remote viewing and so we did a presentation  

1:24:02for Hinckley on my ability to remote view which  means uh for people who aren’t aware means that  

1:24:10I’m able to see things in what I would call the  memory field I call it the memory field the energy  

1:24:19field it’s a field of energy that exists around  us all and it records everything that’s happening  

1:24:28and if you’re able to get in tune with that you’re  able to watch it and see various things happening  

1:24:36I’ve had it occur since I’ve remembered my past  back in 2017. I have a remote viewed for a while  

1:24:43but I’ve been able to do it several times since  then which is interesting I’m still working on  

1:24:49that process and I don’t have it down you know  when I was a mind slave and under their control  

1:24:57they were able to to hit me with that pretty  successfully and so for Hinckley I was able to  

1:25:07um view his wife because it was hard to convince  Hinckley once again that I was truly even remote  

1:25:14viewing and so he said well how are you going  to prove this and my uncle said well let’s view  

1:25:20your wife and so I viewed his wife and she was  in church down in Utah and I was able to tell  

1:25:28him uh well it was you know interesting  because when I told him she was at church   he he said well duh she better be at church you  know because that’s where she was supposed to be  

1:25:43um but she had a certain kind of show I don’t  know exactly what to call it uh on and there  

1:25:50was a specific color and I was able able to  tell him that and and he knew when I talked  

1:25:56about that because that was a gift that he had  actually given to her and so that convinced him  

1:26:02of the ability and the the aptitude of remote  viewing and so as an elitist you know back to  

1:26:10the satanic Elite that they’re able to learn these  things like you were saying you know the general  

1:26:16population they’re not even able to believe that  these kinds of things can even be happening but  

1:26:23these people they know and they want that secret  knowledge and it’s dark magic to them and they’re  

1:26:30working at understanding it and having those keys  given to them in order to do those things and so  

1:26:37I was going to be moved to the Salt Lake where I  was going to be used by the church and the church  

1:26:43leadership I’m not exactly sure what form but it  doesn’t seem good to me um and so yeah does that  

1:26:53make sense Emma yes thank you for sharing that  I’m so sorry that you had to go through that just  

1:26:59thinking about that child like mine you did a  good job kind of putting yourself in your shoes  

1:27:04as a child you know and it’s so sad to think that  you had to process all of that and such a quick  

1:27:11time at such a young age you know just over and  over and over again it’s just it’s unfathomable   to think about you know oh yeah and part of it  with their programming in my mind I perceive  

1:27:25that they even see themselves as being merciful  because that you don’t have to remember it you’re  

1:27:33able to forget what just happened but it still  lingers under the surface it’s still there it’s  

1:27:40just at the back of your mind behind a wall or  several walls thresholds are a big part of it all  

1:27:47moving through that threshold and understanding  what happened there so yeah and then I was um  

1:27:59so that was when I was 15 years old that I was  used in that presentation for Hinckley I was  

1:28:06about to turn 16. and that trip I was taking or  that that year so I met Hinckley that summer or  

1:28:15that spring that was in March towards the end of  March beginning April that that happened that I  

1:28:20met Hinckley and then I was sent to Disneyland uh  that summer for my last year of programming at the  

1:28:28Disneyland Park and so uh that was a really  bad summer and then um after programming at  

1:28:37the Disneyland Park I was taken back East with my  grandparents and that’s when I met Charlie Pride  

1:28:44um had a couple experiences with bird uh saw  bird over there um and that was the year that  

1:28:52he bought me that he bought me as a slave that  he paid for me and so that was a big year for me

1:29:07oh sorry Emma it’s all hard to talk about I know I  appreciate you shining a light on this it’s it’s  

1:29:17horrific you know and then just thinking about  again trying to process that as a child it’s like  

1:29:26it’s impossible to put yourself in those people’s  shoes you know it’s like there’s no empathy it’s  

1:29:32just stripped from people and it’s so terrible to  even try to comprehend you know what goes through  

1:29:38these people’s minds and to think about you know  what like the child you were you know and I just  

1:29:44want to say you know little J.R I know he’s proud  of you for being up here today and talking about  

1:29:50this and bringing Justice to his story and  and empowering other people yeah yeah he tried  

1:29:59before to speak out but they would he’d get shut  down pretty quick but 95 was when I met Hinckley  

1:30:08and I want to say Emma that it was 93 that I was  sold to the CIA in 93 and that that is when I was  

1:30:21um bought by Senator Byrd and 93 was the last  year that I went to Disneyland yeah and Disneyland  

1:30:33was a bad year that year it was close to my  birthday um going back to 93 and when I was  

1:30:44in 93 yeah when I met Gordon oh I’m trying to  remember how old I was at all of these times I’m  

1:30:54sorry it all gets a little bit jumbled even for me  after working through it all it’s really difficult  

1:31:00yeah but Disneyland that year um that was a bad  year and that was the year that I learned that I  

1:31:07was being sold to the CIA and they let me know  it before before I was my uncle had talked to  

1:31:15me about it and and so I was sold to bird that  year in 93 and I became an active CIA mind slave  

1:31:28now when you’re a mind slave for the CIA you  have different levels of what you’re going to  

1:31:35be used for and so I was used as a courier I was  used in porn and then later when I got older I  

1:31:45was used as an assassin I was used to get rid of  people and this is what I would call my Pentagon  

1:31:55level Black Operations experience because I was  tested by Dick Cheney of of all people that son  

1:32:04of a [ __ ] I hate that man he is a terrible  man and he tested me uh for my Pentagon level  

1:32:12uh Black Operations and that took place in my  hometown and was arranged through my grandfather  

1:32:19and for that I was made to murder a girl from my  high school they made me kill her and yeah it was  

1:32:28an absolutely horrible experience because they had  asked me my grandfather had asked me Emma who out  

1:32:38of everyone you know would you want to marry  and that is the girl that I was made to kill  

1:32:46it’s all about completely twisting everything  that you can ever imagine in one moment of time  

1:32:56and so Dick Cheney did that test and that  cleared me for Pentagon level operations and  

1:33:03the premise of that test was to prove that  I would do anything that they told me to do  

1:33:10that is what that was about for the reason that I  just gave you that to have to do that to someone  

1:33:18that you would want to be so close to you it was  a horrible and that cleared me for my Pentagon  

1:33:26level operation so and then I was used in Japan  and I was used again in Haley they’d tried to use  

1:33:33me on an operation in Boise uh but that didn’t go  well something for your listeners to understand uh  

1:33:42which may sound odd but um The One Drug there’s  a lot of drugs Emma in the program and in the  

1:33:49project they constantly are feeding you drugs they  call them potions back to the black magic concept  

1:33:57and they’re constantly feeding you these drugs and  they have different drugs for different purposes  

1:34:04one to wake you up one to put you to sleep one  to make you angry one to make you feel Invincible  

1:34:11Etc the one to Mellow you out as well yellow  mellow that’s what we used to call that and  

1:34:19they would feed you drugs constantly but the one  drug you weren’t allowed to have was marijuana  

1:34:26you were not allowed as a trauma-based mind slave  to have marijuana now not everyone in the project  

1:34:35let me rephrase that not everyone who is aware  that you’re in the project knows that they don’t  

1:34:44all know or understand why you’re not supposed to  have that because I would acquire that from people  

1:34:50even who knew that I was in the project but they  didn’t completely understand what that was all  

1:34:57about but what that that particular herb does is  it disrupts your programming somehow somehow it  

1:35:05it breaks it breaks down the programming so  that you’re able to have logic and use your  

1:35:12conscious mind and not lose your mind to them it’s  difficult to explain when I was in Boise and I was  

1:35:22on the rooftop my uncle had placed me there I was  supposed to shoot a guy who was going to come out  

1:35:28of a bar the neurologics yeah I’d been in the  bar I’d seen the Target and I was positioned on  

1:35:36the roof Zion’s Bank actually and Zions Bank was  well aware that the Central Intelligence Agency  

1:35:43was using their bank and they had arranged it with  Zion Zion’s own that started as a Mormon company  

1:35:52you know they don’t want us using the term Mormon  we’re supposed to call them Latter-Day Saints and   that’s all fine and dandy but I always knew  him as Mormon said so that’s a Mormon Bank  

1:36:01and I was positioned on Zions and I was supposed  to eliminate the target when he came out of the  

1:36:07bar at closing time well my programming broke  down one reason it broke down was I’d been smoking  

1:36:14marijuana with some friends of mine couple nights  before I’m not sure exactly how long before and  

1:36:22just that one time in that time frame was  enough to break the programming enough to  

1:36:30where it failed and so I was up there on the roof  now when I’d been sent into the bar so I had been  

1:36:36sent into the bar and I had was supposed to  lay eyes on the Target now Boise is where I  

1:36:42grew up I grew up in Nampa just outside of  Boise and so I have friends in that area  

1:36:49and I ran into the bar and when I was leaving  after I I deed the Target and seen him I went  

1:36:56to leave and my friends one of my good friends  older sisters was walking in the bar and she  

1:37:02was she was a little snocker she was a little  drunk and she saw me and we started talking and  

1:37:08I couldn’t sneak out I couldn’t get away from her  and so we talked for a little while and she almost  

1:37:16blew my cover Emma because I had a radio receiver  in my ear a device for listening and communicating  

1:37:24with my uncle who was out in a van outside of the  building a calms band and so she almost blew my  

1:37:31cover because she saw that calm’s device and she  said what are you and she was so drunk you know  

1:37:38the yeah and she was just a little gal and so it  didn’t take a whole lot and but a sweetheart of a  

1:37:45gal you know and so this really bothered my uncle  that she almost blew our cover and that she had  

1:37:52seen me at all because now she had seen me in the  bar and so I was positioned up on the roof and I  

1:37:58was finally told you are to not only eliminate the  target you’re also to shoot your friend’s sister  

1:38:06and you’re supposed to shoot everyone else in  front of the bar that you can hit with the ammo  

1:38:13that you have in this weapon and so I was supposed  to basically commit a mass shooting was going to  

1:38:20cover up this assassination we were going to cover  it up with a mass shooting I don’t know if they  

1:38:27even gave a damn if I was caught in all of that  and my programming broke down through all this  

1:38:34I was up there on the roof I was freezing it was  cold it was raining on me the wind was blowing and  

1:38:42my programming started to break down and my mind  could process you’re about to shoot your friend’s  

1:38:49sister like this something’s wrong and I just  couldn’t I couldn’t do it it all broke down and  

1:38:56I freaked out at my Uncle who was below me in the  van they closed off the parking area underneath us  

1:39:04on the building the buildings ions had its own  parking lot and a parking attendant was there  

1:39:10making sure that no one would come up to that  level that level was closed off my uncle was   parked there in the van and so we were working  in conjunction with the bank and my uncle he  

1:39:22got pissed when I got pissed because we started  you know when I would be in those personalities  

1:39:27Emma it was a different guy like I could be  mean and you know [ __ ] you Gail we got into  

1:39:35this big argument about what was going on and he  said you get down right now you just get off the  

1:39:41roof and so I got off the roof we aborted that  operation the but that man didn’t didn’t get to  

1:39:47live he was an individual from a foreign country  he was some kind of foreign National and he  

1:39:55we ended up getting him in um in Haley Idaho  he didn’t he survived that attempt but we got  

1:40:05him later and so unfortunately his whole family  went the second time we were I was made to to  

1:40:14eliminate not only him Emma but but everyone  there in the house and so and that was that’s  

1:40:22a terrible experience a terrible thing to talk  about these are the kinds of things that they do  

1:40:28and that’s why I’m so motivated Emma to talk about  it with people because it’s wrong I’m sure that I  

1:40:35have rambled and I apologize for that but these  things are wrong the Central Intelligence Agency  

1:40:44is sponsoring slavery and human trafficking drug  trafficking and murder and these things are wrong  

1:40:54and I’m a living witness to that and I have  tried to communicate this with law enforcement  

1:40:59and government officials and they’ve done  nothing but harass me and try to keep me quiet  

1:41:06and I’m not going to be quiet of all the  things that I’ve talked about it’s all wrong  

1:41:12and we as the people have to stand up and  understand that these things are happening  

1:41:21I know it’s really hard for people to even  comprehend that these things can happen  

1:41:27I I get that and that’s part of that’s part of  the Mind science of it is that it’s difficult  

1:41:36for the healthy human mind to even perceive  that anyone could go to that level is so bad  

1:41:45but they do and they are and they do it to their  own children and to other people’s children  

1:41:53and if we don’t do something then I just can’t  be quiet about it so I am I’m against it and all  

1:42:03those people that are in it they need to wake up  you know not everyone who’s in it even understands  

1:42:11what they’re involved with like we talked  about earlier my parents they don’t completely  

1:42:18understand everyone does it even those in the  project even Charlie Pride Charlie you know I I  

1:42:26hate Charlie Pride like I’m pissed at Charlie but  Charlie was messed up and even Charlie wanted out  

1:42:34he wanted out when I saw Charlie Pride because I  did Emma I was raped by Charlie Pride in backstage  

1:42:42he was backstage I was taken back there and I met  him and he signed my an autographed my picture  

1:42:48because I met him backstage my cousin and I both  did and I had carried a message to Charlie from my  

1:42:55uncle and he took that message with the key which  was the switchblade that I brought him and he  

1:43:03stuck it in my chest and that’s why my uncle had  stuck the knife in my chest and I could put it in  

1:43:08and that’s how I could take the message out that  was the key to that and so Charlie he tortured  

1:43:14me for a little while and he raped my cousin and  I he was not a good man but when we first walked  

1:43:22in the room Charlie was sitting at his desk  and he was writing there in his waiting room  

1:43:28and behind stage you know whatever we call it and  he was sitting there writing a letter and so here  

1:43:36I am carrying this secret message in my mind well  Charlie was sitting there writing a letter to bird  

1:43:45and this this letter was saying I want out of all  this you know this stuff is I’m done I don’t want  

1:43:54to do this stuff anymore I know that because  bird told me that when I saw him a little while  

1:44:00later because the next man in the project I can  remember seeing uh in the following day or days  

1:44:06was burned I met him at a memorial and so and  I gave I gave bird that letter that Charlie was  

1:44:14writing and Charlie wanted out but bird wouldn’t  let him out you know he was a slave too and so  

1:44:24it’s sad all these folks are all caught up in  it but there is hope for us There’s Hope For  

1:44:30Humanity more and more people are learning about  this stuff and more and more survivors are able  

1:44:37to work through it and able to come out and  talk and I don’t think that they can stop it  

1:44:45you know they’re Kathy O’Brien has a good way of  defining them they’re linear thinkers they are  

1:44:53they are linear thinkers and that’s helped  keep me alive to be honest about that they  

1:45:01are our such linear thinkers that yeah you  just have to know what they’re doing and so  

1:45:10but God’s also helped keep me alive and uh  I give a lot of credit to God in all of this  

1:45:17because without God I’d be dead if God didn’t want  this message being communicated then I would be  

1:45:24dead and that’s just how it would be they’ve  tried that several times you know to ensure  

1:45:32that it was most dangerous when I first started to  remember they tried to kill me several times and  

1:45:41and that was nerve-wracking we’ll just put it  that way but those are things that I was made to  

1:45:47do and so part of it is I was able to see it and  to understand that it was coming and to be able to  

1:45:54face that fact and part of it was God stepping in  because there were sometimes Emma when I remember  

1:46:03one time in particular I was dead to rights there  was a gunman and we were sitting in a restaurant  

1:46:10and I knew he was there to kill me and I  was armed and I’d gone out and I’d gotten  

1:46:15my handgun and I put it under my clothes  because I had to do everything I could but  

1:46:23I knew that if this guy was able to do what he  intended that that would have been it and God  

1:46:29stepped in and the circumstances weren’t  perfect for them to kill me on that day  

1:46:36part of it a lot of people are interested in  that that’s one of the reasons I’m talking about  

1:46:42it I’ve been asked well how can you stay alive  you have the government after you you’re dead  

1:46:48it’s a sensitive thing for the Central  Intelligence Agency or the Mormon church  

1:46:55or those affiliated with them to to get rid  of you because if they don’t do it right  

1:47:01they can get caught and that exposes  everything and so the more I’ve talked  

1:47:06about this the safer I am because if they whack  me now well now they have proven their story  

1:47:16so I thank God for all of his help in all of  that and for everyone’s help there’s been a lot  

1:47:23of support in the community and in the world and  I appreciate that and so uh Humanity has hope so

1:47:36God blessio that was such an uplifting  message to sort of follow so many dark  

1:47:43things you know because this stuff does get  dark and for people whether they’re they’ve  

1:47:48been digging in deep for a while or whether  they’re new to it you know this stuff has the  

1:47:54the low frequency to kind of suck your hope out  of you and to just think gosh there’s nothing you  

1:48:00know there’s no hope like we’re screwed and the  world is a dark place and it’s hell on Earth and  

1:48:05you know realizing that that’s exactly what they  want us to think you know they want us on a low  

1:48:10frequency and not realizing how beautiful this  world is and our powers of creating you know an  

1:48:16even better World by coming together and taking  the gifts that they’re trying to exploit and  

1:48:22using them for something good you know creation  creating our creating our way out of a bad world  

1:48:27and creating the world that we wish we lived  in you know and it’s such a great message to   remind people of that because we do have all the  power it’s them that don’t you know they’re weak  

1:48:37cowards who Gaslight us into feeling powerless  and their worst fear is to realize or is for us  

1:48:45to realize that we’re being gaslit and to say  uh-uh I’m not I’m not tolerating that anymore   I’m done with your abuse I’m taking my power  back and I’m gonna do something thing amazing  

1:48:55in this world you know and create something  that is going to uh Elevate Humanity instead of  

1:49:03perpetuating the abuse over and over again  you know so I really appreciate everything  

1:49:08that you do and the messages you know the stuff is  really hard and somehow you find a way to make it  

1:49:15somewhat lighthearted to where it’s digestible  for people and I really appreciate your way of   breaking everything down to Jr so thank you nice  thank you Emma yeah it is difficult to process so  

1:49:29yeah well I’d love to have you back on I know  we’re getting up to the two-hour Mark and I  

1:49:35want to be respectful of your time I know that we  could probably talk about a million other things   I wanted to see if there was anything else  that you did want to cover before we maybe  

1:49:42wrap up and to to let you know that I would  love to have you back for another discussion  

1:49:48um to dive into some some more of your experiences  and and some more education nice thank you Emma I  

1:49:55think we’ve covered everything for today yeah  and we can talk about that that would be good  

1:50:01yeah it’s nice to let people know so absolutely  and can you talk just a little bit before we get  

1:50:08off can you talk just a little bit about if you’re  on any other social media beside your blog and   then maybe give people just a little synopsis  of your blog and remind them of where they can  

1:50:18find that because I want people to support the  work that you’re doing also yeah thank you yeah  

1:50:24and so my blog Mormon monarch.com I call it my  website um that’s where I put my book essentially  

1:50:31and so and you can find that under writings on  past and those are all um journaled memories  

1:50:39that I have uh worked through and most of them  we’re talking months and years to work through  

1:50:47these things and so I tried to work through  as many as I can I’ve taken a break from it  

1:50:54um lately because you need a break once in  a while and so I will take breaks from it  

1:51:00but what I do is I gain the best understanding  that I can of those events and in my mind the  

1:51:08most important thing to share I can say  whatever I want but what I remember is so  

1:51:16important because that is what they’re doing  and so I can say for example their satanists  

1:51:24well why and through my writings I explain why  through what I remember of of living and working  

1:51:33with these people and and being made to be a  trauma-based mindslave and so my writings also  

1:51:42they I will write something out and if I remember  something that adds to the context of that writing  

1:51:52I come back to it and so uh Disneyland or my  meeting with Hinckley any of those things if if  

1:52:01one day it comes back to me oh well this happened  as well then I work on journaling that and then I  

1:52:08edit and adjust those memories accordingly and  what I’m working on is I’m going to put a book  

1:52:15together so those are all chapters of a book and  I will have that book published at some time in  

1:52:21the near future yeah because if if something  does happen to me let’s say I my heart stops  

1:52:30beating for some reason then a book is a hard copy  that can live on and other people can read it for  

1:52:38generations and it can be passed on a website  is something that’s more vulnerable a website  

1:52:46uh it runs in its course until it’s submit its uh  subscription is paid and so I will be publishing  

1:52:54a book because I feel like this information is  important for Humanity just for the people to know  

1:53:02it and to be able to remember it for generations  and understand it and I feel like it’s gonna take  

1:53:09him a generations for people to understand  this thing completely and for it to work its  

1:53:17way through our our social structure but I pray  that it does and so and I’m also on Facebook  

1:53:26um I’ve been on Twitter before but I’m  not on there right now I yeah I still  

1:53:33am a multiple and so sometimes I’ll start a  social media thing and then I get rid of it  

1:53:41I’m trying to be more stable so yeah wonderful I’m  gonna link all of that and if there’s any other  

1:53:49links that you think of or any specific article  pages that you want me specifically to link that  

1:53:54maybe can add context you can send it to me and  all I always try to do an extensive show notes   where people can just go click on all your links  so I encourage people to go follow and support Jr  

1:54:05you know this content none of it gets elevated in  the algorithms there’s nobody trying to help get  

1:54:10the word out on this except us you know it takes  you on the other side saying I’m gonna go visit  

1:54:15this website or I’m going to share this interview  I’m going to watch it all the way through and then   I’m gonna go share it with somebody else somehow  you know so we have to be the boots on the ground  

1:54:25spreading the word about this and I would love  for all of you guys to go share share our story   to go support his blog jar I’d love to have you  back on like I said especially to help promote  

1:54:34your book so let’s definitely get you back on uh  also whenever you do that that way we can drive   some traffic there and and you can talk about it  a little a little bit but that’s really exciting  

1:54:43too so we’ll have something to look forward to you  creating in the near future so you guys thank you  

1:54:48so much for tuning in Jr thank you for being  here God bless you all see you guys next week

Cheryl Corless Care Survivor and then targeted for forced adoption

Cheryl has been a campaigner against forced adoption for years. Here are copies of two videos where she has told her story.

Abused in the care system and when she disclosed later in life the authorities targetted her for her children. This is common.

[1c] Horrors of ‘The Grange’ in Wilpshire, Blackburn, Lancashire: Cheryl Corless

Shownotes

7 Sept 2015 Cheryl Corless. The People’s Tribunal. Institutional sexual abuse by Social Services & Police at ‘The Grange’ in Wilpshire, Blackburn, Lancashire. http://www.UKCSAPT.org.uk http://www.DialectRadio.co.uk Tuesday 22 September 2015 My journey with the Child Sexual Abuse peoples Tribunal https://cherylcorless.blogspot.com/2015/05/my-journey-with-child-sexual-abuse.html

January 2014 I was in accident and emergency begging for them to section me. I had no home no children no family no partner and no future. I never saw myself as having mental health issues for a long time thought it was all about suicide and eating disorders. what i was experiencing was horrendous and terrifying people would be talking at me could see their mouths moving, couldn’t hear a sound they made. On my worst days i literally had to hold on to my settee because my mind was telling me if i jumped of my balcony i would fly. Other days id forget how to cross a road had a few near misses with buses i tell you. I had hit pure rock bottom and was searching for a single reason to carry on the receptionist rang security and got me escorted off site. I realized that day that nobody was ever coming to save me i had to get up and save myself. I met a new friend not long after this worlds apart he’d been a big chief for social workers me a lifelong social worker hater we had some clashes and i was so horrible to him at times. My friend got all my paperwork for me and introduced me to people he thought could help me. It was my friend who was invited to the first meeting to discuss the possibility of the csapt. He is an honorable man and had promised to do something with me that day so refused at first, then i was asked so he would go, I was just the spare part. Until a sir giving a speech said children from care need extra help to be normal Me being the northern fish wife that i am screeched i beg your pardon and went into a passionate rant. The sir was so annoyed with me he left the building. The qc so impressed with me and out of respect for my fear of suits took his jacket off. I spent the rest of the meeting thinking omg my friend is going to go mad there are professors and qcs and journalists here. Then it was over and every one was rushing over to hug me my friend was so chuffed and that was it the day i was started to be taken seriously as a survivor and a campaigner. My life has transformed since then. In all the voluntary work iv done with csapt iv helped heal my self. I will tell the story of my friend one day but only with his permission. You opened doors for me i never thought possible thank you from the bottom of my heart xx This is where we are at now with ukcsapt its been amazing watching it grow im so proud to be a part of this http://ukcsapt.org.uk/

[2c] Odysee Child Stealing by the State with Cheryl Corless: ‘Honey they sold my kids’

Shownotes

Links

[1] Horrors of ‘The Grange’ in Wilpshire, Blackburn, Lancashire: Cheryl Corless Peoples’ Tribunal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8y6IKv7ZdA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDcXcIVNEFo

[1b] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDcXcIVNEFo

[1c] Horrors of ‘The Grange’ in Wilpshire, Blackburn, Lancashire: Cheryl Corless https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Horrors-of-‘The-Grange’-in-Wilpshire,-Blackburn,-Lancashire_-Cheryl-Corless-Peoples’-Tribu-JDcXcIVNEFo:d

[2] you tube Child Stealing by the State with Cheryl Corless: ‘Honey they sold my kids’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZzUSJx9qks

[2c] Odysee Child Stealing by the State with Cheryl Corless: ‘Honey they sold my kids’ https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Child-Stealing-by-the-State-with-Cheryl-Corless_-‘Honey-they-sold-my-kids’-gZzUSJx9qks:8

Transcript 1 [1c] Horrors of ‘The Grange’ in Wilpshire, Blackburn, Lancashire: Cheryl Corless

First of all I’m joined by Cheryl called

0:01us on the line hi Cheryl and welcome to

0:03dialect thank you first of all tell us a

0:07bit about the people’s tribunal I know

0:09you’re a survivor of the care system how

0:12come the people’s tribunal got started

0:14it was a mixture of his own survivors

0:17and professionals got together and it

0:20was based on the Iran Tribunal I think

0:22that happened last year and that was a

0:23success we just decided that you know

0:26for that being done to help any of those

0:28in fact the government inquiry that

0:30hadn’t started when we started but there

0:32was talk of it so we just all got

0:35together and just see if we could work

0:37something out ourselves to try and

0:40expose what’s been happening in

0:41institutions for children all around the

0:43country it almost sounds like the kind

0:46of thing that would start through pub

0:47talk we’re actually not necessarily even

0:50just people who are survivors saying

0:52this because there’s lots of us out here

0:53who are concerned that the government

0:56isn’t taking this seriously enough now

0:58is that fair to say that you had just

1:00fed up a bit a little bit maybe like the

1:02people in Hillsborough where after a

1:04couple of inquiries official inquiries

1:06have been done but with no real results

1:09yeah definitely we all met from Twitter

1:11and that’s how we started it and then we

1:15had to talk about it with survivors and

1:17professionals and then we were voted

1:18onto the steering committee and see if

1:21we could do anything but that was last

1:22September and then we officially started

1:26in December things adjusted they’ve got

1:29better and better as times gone on we’re

1:31getting stronger and stronger as time

1:32goes on ease I think people need to

1:35realize that not all answers gonna come

1:37off the government well I would suggest

1:40probably no answers and this absolutely

1:42squeezed out them I mean by looking back

1:44at things like the miscarriages of

1:45justice in the Gilford for the

1:47Birmingham six long inquiries like the

1:50Chilkoot inquiry into the Iraq war we’re

1:52talking about also the phone hacking

1:54scandal which took a long long time to

1:57have it inquiry into that and then a lot

1:59of people journalists particularly are

2:01holding their hands I was saying well

2:02there’s been no real change with Rebecca

2:04Brooks the former editor of the news of

2:07the world being put back in charge of

2:08another one of parts of Murdoch’s media

2:11empire so nothing really having changed

2:13there and then

2:13I said about Hillsboro it’s a bit of an

2:16uphill struggle I suppose but also

2:18you’ve got this thing hanging around in

2:19the background this you kind of by

2:21asking the government to investigate

2:22this it’s almost like asking the

2:24government to accuse and find themselves

2:26guilty it’s almost impossible to do

2:29surety show yeah that’s what we do

2:32solution we came up with I decided even

2:35thought the government enquiry started

2:36that I didn’t want to be a part of that

2:38I’ve tried telling Authority for years

2:40I’ve got paperwork but from the 1980s

2:43where I was telling them what was

2:45happening ok well let’s just have a look

2:47at your story to begin with that’s

2:50particularly frustrating isn’t it if you

2:52are being told now oh it’s ok you can go

2:55to the police and talk to them whereas

2:57you’ve done that in the past and got

2:58nowhere it must be quite a few people

3:01not just you out there Cheryl saying

3:02well what’s the point yeah stammering

3:05the police is last October and it came

3:08out took a statement and I never heard

3:10from them again and that’s what happens

3:11every time I make a complaint

3:13ok well they just take us back in your

3:15past how old were you when this first

3:18started invading your life and how did

3:20you react to it I was 15 when mom put me

3:24in care my mum she’s a survivor from the

3:27Irish care system and that altered how

3:31she was as a mother she wasn’t the best

3:33of mothers but there is an explanation

3:36for it she put me in care at 15 on

3:39Christmas Day it was more the other

3:42people at first they did to come out and

3:44did take the girls out and we never

3:47spoke about it but we knew that

3:48something bad was happening so I bounced

3:51you were at this point I was in

3:53Blackburn Lancashire and the first time

3:57I was in it was we was walked in 24

3:59hours a day you weren’t allowed out the

4:01school was on sorry it was basically

4:03like a prison really girls were taken

4:06out like one example one girl that was

4:08there she was 13 she called herself a

4:10child prostitute

4:12and a man used to come and Sakura every

4:14Sunday and she used to said that that

4:16was a regular when she was out of care

4:18and there was other instances like it

4:22sounds to me as if this institution you

4:25went in but this kind of thing was was

4:27considered normal

4:28yeah yeah definitely at home I was in it

4:32was called The Grange he was in

4:35Wiltshire in Blackburn and that was the

4:38first time I was sexually assaulted that

4:40was the day before my 16th birthday I

4:42was put into a bedsit they call it a bed

4:45see it was just a bedroom on your own

4:46you weren’t in a dorm anymore nobody

4:49ever wanted to go in there and I never

4:51understood why and then the night before

4:53my 16th birthday one of the stuff came

4:55in and raped me and told me was going to

4:57make a woman of me that was the old time

5:00I was hurt there but it’s still

5:03traumatize me even to this day and then

5:06the next place we went to I was 16 and

5:09I’ve been lots of about seven months I

5:12wasn’t a normal 16 year old I was very

5:14emotionally damaged and there the staff

5:18encouraged us to get drunk and they take

5:20us to parties with various professionals

5:25from social services and we would be

5:28offered drink alcohol and just get

5:30really drunken and then things had

5:33happened we were told it’s a lifestyle

5:35choice some of the girls were being

5:38groomed by Asians in the area right this

5:41is back in 1988 99 that’s how long the

5:44grieving scandals been going on it was

5:48just it was horrific

5:50one of the nights they got me so drunk a

5:52cassava stand up and I came home and

5:56some of the local lads were out and I

5:59got ganged raped in the garden of our

6:01home and I was under the office window

6:04and the stash shut the office window

6:05they shot the window and then the next

6:08day told everybody I was a slug in the

6:10pin dock my knickers I put them on the

6:13notice board to tell everybody what dirt

6:15he’s like I was and I went to the police

6:18that was in my paperwork I went to the

6:20police and it so states in my paperwork

6:22came black and white the police run the

6:24home and said Cheryl’s coming here

6:26stories about you you need to watch what

6:28she’s saying so it’s it’s like everybody

6:32do and it was just accepted we were care

6:35kids we weren’t important enough for

6:36anybody to care I’ll stop it is we will

6:40make feel like we were below society’s

6:43normal a little bit fascist about this

6:47you know it’s not like these people

6:49aren’t real people and almost like

6:51you’re being used but what tell me how

6:53affected you emotionally must have been

6:56a horrific Cheryl and how did you did

6:59you cope with this as a as an individual

7:02did you manage to carry on with the

7:05understanding that this was wrong and

7:07there was something bad and and maybe

7:10illegal that these people were doing to

7:12you

7:12no no I’m also deserved it I ended up

7:17getting into a very violent relationship

7:20where my partner was physically and

7:23sexually and emotionally abusing me for

7:25six years okay so was that someone who

7:27was older than you and again had come

7:29across you through this care home no I

7:31run from I was going there to run from

7:34care and I lived on the streets for a

7:37year after that okay well how did you

7:39cope with that for goodness sake a year

7:41on the streets but it’s in my notes as

7:45well I was going to social services and

7:47asking for help and they were giving me

7:49a phone number and saying ring this

7:51number they’ll help you oh but I was on

7:52the streets I had nothing I have no food

7:54no money and back in the day like you

7:57know what I mean we didn’t every those

7:58charges and it was it was awful it was

8:04so by the time I met my partner

8:07I was already broken I didn’t have any

8:11self-esteem at all by then it was I just

8:14felt like well I must deserve it or else

8:16it wouldn’t have happened and because

8:18there everybody ignored me when I tried

8:20to tell them it was well it must be

8:23something that I’m doing wrong I mean I

8:26find it’s you know difficult to to see

8:29Cheryl how you know you can get to such

8:32an extent where you think that you’re to

8:34blame for continual criminal acts that

8:37are being conducted against you how did

8:39you

8:39to hold yourself together and at the end

8:43of that relationship I ended up going

8:47into labor

8:47and he started punching me while I was

8:51in labor so I run through the phone box

8:53and throwing myself an ambulance and

8:55they ended up giving birth in the

8:57telephone box and that was how I ended

9:01the relationship that’s where I got the

9:02strength but obviously everything came

9:05back then I think it was postmarked

9:06Express and I was about 25 and so

9:10everything that had happened over the

9:11past god knows how many years

9:13I’ll come back and he had a breakdown

9:14but then Social Services took my

9:17children and before they put my children

9:21I actually went to the police and I said

9:23I think I was abused when I was in care

9:24and then they took my children and they

9:28said that I was delusional and I was

9:29making stories up about men in suits

9:31why would they want to rape kids from

9:34care I was delusional so I must have

9:37been delusional about the partner that

9:39was beating me up so he gave him my

9:41children that must have been even more

9:45of us blow yeah it was just

9:47Vica same in all the Honda I wasn’t

9:50worth it I wasn’t worth anything you

9:52know what I mean it was and then the

9:54year after that must waters Muslims was

9:56false adopted the years that the year

9:59after was adopted Operation Nevada

10:02started up in Lancashire and de Katie

10:06got in contact with me and he asked me

10:08if I knew with anything about abuse and

10:09care system in one case it was too late

10:11that they took my children they

10:13destroyed everything they’ve taken

10:14everything and so I wouldn’t engage was

10:18there a reside well you didn’t believe

10:19me when I needed show to is too late now

10:22you’ve taken everything they ever tried

10:26to research operation Nevada sensor from

10:29what I’ve seen nothing came of it always

10:31I mean during this time was there

10:32anybody that you could trust no my mum

10:37she just kept telling me I was

10:39brain-damaged and imagining things I

10:41mean sure you know surely you must have

10:43come across some people I guess some

10:45people and then yeah it’s like they’ve

10:48come across my fight on social media

10:51and why people have no from a past and

10:53if I remember you saying about you know

10:58what I mean it’s but he said it wasn’t

11:01till seven years ago when I met my

11:03sister-in-law Gemma she’s also on the

11:06steering committee

11:07she suffered abuse as well but hers was

11:09in the family and when I met her and we

11:13got close we realized that though it

11:15wasn’t us it wasn’t anything we did and

11:20then five years ago they took my new

11:23family my new children away and this can

11:26be said they took him because I was

11:28abusing care and because I was abusing

11:31care I was a risk of emotional harm in

11:33the future only you know what you know

11:38what’s the biggest emotional harm is

11:39taking someone’s children awesome it’s

11:44just a fine car went and it made me feel

11:46like we would like to be abused so they

11:50could take our children in the future to

11:51keep the system going yeah well I mean

11:54hopefully you still have managed to find

11:58some resources from somewhere to carry

12:00on otherwise you wouldn’t be part of

12:01this people’s tribunal Cheryl what’s

12:04your situation now then no I have a

12:08similar of five years now but I am

12:10waiting for a court date and for two of

12:14my sons to apply for contacts and

12:16residents social services have totally

12:19turned around but that since I’ve been

12:20working on the people’s tribunal they’ve

12:23realized that yeah well I’m not what

12:25they said well they say I am do you know

12:28what I mean it’s my children if the

12:31other thing that’s kept me going I mean

12:36you haven’t seen him for five years you

12:37say you’re not allowed any contact with

12:38him at all no the youngest who were

12:40first adopted they’re together and

12:42they’re attending eleven-year-old they

12:46weren’t allowed to see each other or any

12:47other family members for four years

12:49they’ve just seen each other this year

12:51for the first time in five years and

12:53that’s only because my MP wrote to the

12:57chief executives at the social services

12:59and said well why keeping his siblings

13:01apart are they okay well what about

13:05legal stuff though because if you’re

13:07going to be part of a people’s tribunal

13:09you need any legal advice have you

13:10managed to get that yes we’ve got Alan

13:13Collins he’s known as the best child

13:15abuse live in the country

13:17he’s our legal adviser he’s fantastic he

13:20is a lovely man is totally committed to

13:23the cause and Regina she’s our chair of

13:27the people’s tribunal she’s about Easter

13:30in America and she’s fantastic as well

13:34she’s done everything she can to help us

13:36in every way going and the judges we’ve

13:40got a bit illegal with the judges as

13:42well what difference has it made the

13:44whole revelation over Jimmy Savile a

13:46couple years ago because I would have

13:48thought that what was one pot once upon

13:52a time you could almost pull the wool

13:54over people’s eyes and say oh well this

13:55person’s a Fanta Syst has has there been

13:58a real change you think since because

14:01Jimmy Savile was someone who was very

14:03well-known actually quite powerful very

14:05friendly with royalty with Margaret

14:08Thatcher the Prime Minister someone

14:10who’s very high up in society to have

14:12been proven to be the worst sexual abuse

14:16offender that Britain has ever known of

14:19to be in that position suddenly makes

14:21these things at least on the surface

14:23appear more credible yes I have seen the

14:27shift up until Jimmy Savile everyone has

14:30thought me and Jen was the crazy ladies

14:32and we were talking nonsense why is that

14:36why do people assume that you’re talking

14:37nonsense what is it in people that makes

14:40them assume that someone isn’t isn’t

14:43telling the truth when they’re talking

14:44about their experience not you have done

14:46I don’t think they want to believe that

14:49the care system isn’t good the society

14:52as a whole we’ve been made to believe

14:53that the care system is there to protect

14:55children and do the best for children

14:57and I think it’s hard for people to

14:59actually believe if the other suffer day

15:01I think his husband to believe that

15:05people that was supposed to be caring

15:06for children really didn’t so what was

15:09why were people in the care system

15:12working in the care system for social

15:14services running these care homes then

15:16what was their real motive

15:18oh it’s anybody’s guess I personally I

15:24think most of him was was though because

15:26there was no CRB checks or anything in

15:28them days I think personally half of the

15:30work there too gets children did the

15:33statistics for children in care that end

15:35up in prison and on drugs and it’s just

15:39it’s crazy it’s really the cruelty of

15:44the carers I seem to remember reading is

15:46one of the Daily Mail headlines I mean

15:49would you classify the people that were

15:51running your care homes there’s cruel

15:54people oh yes definitely a control freak

15:57we were allowed to leave the room on our

16:00own if he wanted summitry products as

16:03young women we have to ask for them and

16:05to know what I mean and if we ran away

16:08we’d have to have a bus in front of mail

16:10stuff and that was just humiliating that

16:13was really humiliating and even though

16:16it’s 43 I can’t bear to be naked in

16:18front of anybody really I mean have you

16:23managed do you think to turn your life

16:25around to become relatively I would hate

16:27to say use the word but more normal

16:28Cheryl yes yes have you done that three

16:34years ago had a massive mental breakdown

16:36and I sought help for its mental health

16:40team and I was diagnosed bipolar with

16:43post-traumatic stress disorder and the

16:47we had a bit of a shuffle around with

16:49medication and everything and then we

16:51found something that works for me and

16:52that keeps me stable now when I was I’ve

16:56changed as a whole person now it’s

16:59though I have to think about that kind

17:01of blocks away everything from the past

17:03away now so I could focus on being Who I

17:05am now and the people’s tribunal it

17:09helped me know Andy I think I’ll get

17:13closure with the people’s tribunal

17:14because I’ve got out and tried to help

17:16all the people who suffered I think I’ll

17:18be able to finally shut the door on it

17:20and just get on with a normal life and

17:25be normal well I’d be that would be nice

17:28oh now after there’s some of the stuff

17:29you’ve been through what what is the

17:31people’s Tribune up to at the moment and

17:34right now we’re just fundraising we

17:38finished taking submissions in August

17:40with hired all the judges they’re all

17:43ready we’ll be going to meet them on the

17:463rd of October and know at the minute

17:49which is fundraising we need to pay for

17:52wherever the public forum in January

17:54that’s where all the findings will come

17:56are what the judges have decided

17:57so we need higher venue for that and

18:00we’re also doing a documentary as well

18:03that’s been following us around how

18:06we’ve done it and how it’s come about

18:08and our stories and everything so we

18:10need to fund that as well so it’s all

18:12really just fundraising at the minute

18:14and getting media attention but the

18:16media the red distill at the stage where

18:20if it’s nobody famous it’s not important

18:22and that’s really really hurt in a lot

18:24of survivors if I’m saying because Jimmy

18:28Savile was your abuser your abuse was

18:30more important than that person who each

18:31other Joe Bloggs abused and he’s it’s

18:34very damaging to the calls it’s really

18:37it’s not very nice to people who have

18:40suffered with also for justice but

18:42nobody story’s any worse than anybody

18:44else’s really what about the official

18:48inquiry I think it’s the Goddard inquiry

18:52it’s being called now it’s the third

18:53person who’s been in charge of it I’m

18:55reminded a little bit of Princess

18:57Diana’s inquest because they’re the

18:59first two coroner’s that were chosen to

19:02conduct Diana’s inquest to refuse to do

19:05it and we’ve had the same sort of thing

19:07with the official inquiry the do you can

19:12you see how some people would say well

19:14actually there’s no point in having a

19:16people’s tribunal running in parallel

19:17with the sufficient inquiry I can’t see

19:20why they say that but I believe that the

19:22people’s tribunal will uncover more and

19:25expose more than the government inquiry

19:27like we’ve done it with no funds

19:29whatsoever we all work for free we

19:31always will work for free we’ve done it

19:34with no funds

19:35and we’re going to be finished 18 months

19:38from when we first started whereas the

19:40government inquiry I’m hearing it could

19:42be five eight years now with something

19:45well the trouble is of course that by

19:46stringing it out like that it’s a little

19:48bit like the Chilkoot inquiry into the

19:50Iraq war the if they’re fingering

19:52particular people that should be sent on

19:55trial charged etc then they may be dead

19:58by the end of it exactly and plus it

20:01will be the next election by the times

20:04you don’t mean it’s just passed in the

20:05book isn’t it so anyway how do people

20:08contact the people’s tribunal Cheryl and

20:10and donate or or else possibly you know

20:15because of course the other thing is you

20:17know you’re also looking for a bit

20:18expertise and possibly venues of people

20:21are able to offer you free venue that

20:23kind of thing oh yeah that would be

20:24amazing if we got offered that and our

20:27website its UK CSA PT org dot uk’ and we

20:36have their fundraiser going at the

20:37minute that song give forward and if you

20:40just search UK CSA PT in the give

20:44forward that’ll bring goes up to us and

20:48basically we just need to get the word

20:50out now really and build up a momentum

20:52ready for the public trial herb public

20:55forum in January raise enough funds to

20:58do it is we’ve got the people we’ve got

21:00an excellent team of judges I noticed

21:05there’s also a phone number which is oh

21:07seven five four nine two two eight three

21:11double seven for the people’s tribunal

21:13that’s oh seven five four nine two two

21:15eight three double seven and I think

21:19what I’ll do Cheryl is also give that

21:21number at the end of the program to so

21:25Cheryl called us from the UK child

21:28sex-abuse

21:29people’s tribunal the website UK CSA PT

21:32or Guk phone number oh seven five four

21:37nine two two eight three double seven

21:39thanks very much for joining us on

21:40dialect thank you very much

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Transcript 2 [2c] Odysee Child Stealing by the State with Cheryl Corless: ‘Honey they sold my kids’

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0:16 more since the Jimmy Savile expose many

0:26 people have been talking about child

0:28 sexual abuse in fact it’s become much

0:30 more acceptable to talk about many many

0:33 things that have been going on in

0:34 Britain for decades suddenly they’re

0:37 being exposed and today we talk to

0:40 somebody who’s from one of the

0:42 organizations are trying to deal with

0:43 this it’s called the people’s tribunal

0:45 it’s a collection of people who have

0:47 themselves been sexually abused who are

0:50 trying to run a tribunal of their own

0:51 because they don’t have much faith in

0:53 the government’s godard inquiry which is

0:56 being staffed by people from the Home

0:58 Office which is actually part of the

1:00 allegations are against the Home Office

1:02 itself and so we hear now from Cheryl

1:05 callers from the people’s tribunal about

1:07 child stealing by the state I’m shell

1:11 collars I was abused to the care system

1:15 and I was just ignored and we bought a

1:17 spot back about Annie the show book and

1:20 years later laughter an abusive

1:24 relationship and it was worse than

1:28 abusive ed he was a monster we’d already

1:32 done a lot of time in prison or ready to

1:34 buy all the crab so everybody knew what

1:36 it was Cheryl I mean it might sound like

1:38 an obvious question but how did you find

1:40 yourself with someone like that and when

1:44 I was abusing care system and I ran from

1:47 Karen and I was homeless for a year I

1:49 lived on the streets for a year I was on

1:51 the 17 and then I got pregnant and the

1:54 father left me and then I was 19 I was

1:57 on my own with a new baby and I I went

2:02 in a bed and breakfast because I’m still

2:04 homes why’d they gave me put me in a

2:06 better breakfast as I hadn’t and he was

2:10 in bed and breakfast he was 28 I was 19

2:13 and

2:13 I was very vulnerable really vulnerable

2:15 as I was messed up for mud happened to

2:18 being care and living on the streets and

2:20 everything then he did he was to see

2:23 something in me cuz he came dude Eileen

2:26 and and then just gradually just took

2:28 control and the violence it just got

2:32 worse and worse over the years by the

2:34 end of it I was pregnant with our son I

2:37 need to smash me I crossed every wall

2:39 going up the street drag giving up the

2:41 street by my hair would be kicking me in

2:43 the stomach because they want the baby

2:45 we’d rape me it was horrendous and it

2:48 ended up with me I was in labor with our

2:52 son and I told him I was in labor had a

2:54 contraction and he came down run

2:56 downstairs and punched me in the head so

2:58 I ran to the phone box across the road

3:01 just to get away from him really and I

3:03 ended up giving birth there in telephone

3:05 box so your partner at the time did he

3:09 stay with you after you’d had that

3:10 chance and no man when I got out of

3:15 hospital and we beat me up athearn and

3:17 that was it as I couldn’t take any more

3:19 from my mental health when a little but

3:21 now now I have my mental health sorted

3:24 under look back it’s pretty obvious I

3:26 was having some sort of mental breakdown

3:28 and I got rid of him and om ever life

3:32 held for about a year was always shouted

3:34 through my letterbox trying to get in

3:36 breaking in I was awful in this time I

3:40 started drinking heavily I felt stronger

3:43 when I was drunk if ever I drink and

3:45 acclaim route then attacked him back and

3:47 I wasn’t scared of him it was a twisted

3:49 circle but English time then they all

3:52 started coming back about what had

3:53 happened to me in care and that’s like

3:55 to think maybe that was wrong maybe I

3:58 didn’t deserve that maybe I didn’t

3:59 deserve why he dumped me neither and i

4:01 went to the social services and i told

4:05 them how I think I’ve been abused in the

4:07 care system and it was just why well

4:11 what can we do about it it’s long time

4:13 ago why just basically didn’t want alone

4:16 and then the next thing you know I’ve

4:18 got a social worker of me case so how

4:20 long ago had it been when you when you

4:22 told them and I was 25 when the left in

4:25 so it would

4:26 been eight years since had run from care

4:29 now were some of the people still

4:31 working in the care system that had

4:33 abused you Oh probably yeah my home has

4:37 been shut down the hole where it

4:38 happened but he’s the real shuffle tram

4:41 system and it was suicide they didn’t

4:44 believe me a bit as soon as a cauldron

4:48 then that’s when they decided that my

4:50 children needed for child protection so

4:53 how did they actually do that and how do

4:55 they make the decision and did they

4:56 actually just come literally with the

4:57 police or something and take children

4:59 away from you no because it did you have

5:01 a child texting me and when you’ve got

5:02 about 20 professional SAT around a table

5:04 and it is so I’ll go put it it’s really

5:09 overwhelming and it’s frightening and I

5:11 had these tell protection meetings when

5:13 I was in care and so it’s just probably

5:16 back to their to know what I mean and

5:18 and no matter what you say in tub sexy

5:21 meeting the all agree with social worker

5:24 so the old decided that my children

5:27 needed to be on child protection they

5:28 haven’t needs to be on child protection

5:29 while I was in a violent relationship

5:31 the police had told me the world

5:34 couldn’t help me when I was at the

5:35 violent relationship I didn’t get any

5:37 help or support for that and then the

5:40 other one child protection and my

5:42 ex-partners still playing games with me

5:44 and tormenting me and just terrifying me

5:47 basically so at this stage how many

5:51 children did you have more ages were

5:53 they I’d free at this stage one was 53

5:58 and the baby infoboxes one it was when

6:03 he got to 18 months old I became ran

6:07 with the police one day and decided

6:09 going to take him I didn’t find out so

6:11 much later but the time do was on child

6:13 protection my ex-partner and all his

6:15 family they were English social services

6:18 on me every chance they got making

6:19 complaints about me so it was building a

6:22 case up against made you know what I

6:24 mean even though i had of them anything

6:26 they was ringing up in saying with

6:28 shovels we’ve done this and shovels

6:29 don’t listen so that the ended up taking

6:32 the children so what accusations were

6:34 were they making against you I was a

6:37 risk if you too emotional harm and

6:39 league like

6:40 a when he got caught this is like that

6:46 time I just kept thinking all the time

6:49 every day like one big eight this can’t

6:51 go ahead he’s cut my head to not really

6:53 the truth will come out the truth will

6:55 come out and learn at the end of it they

6:58 gave to and my children to my violin

7:00 eggs even though he hadn’t I knew

7:02 criminal record I’d been in hospital he

7:05 broken bones up in the police have been

7:07 called that look numerous tasks or what

7:09 he did to me they still gave two of my

7:11 children to him and my eldest child was

7:14 forced got it and the day that it was

7:17 false adopted even now it still hurt me

7:20 now to think about it I wanted two grown

7:22 man now but acidity it was like the

7:26 judge had given me the death penalty and

7:29 as she did it I heard this screaming and

7:31 it was me and among the flooring I

7:33 didn’t even know I was got there and all

7:35 the social workers and barristers and

7:37 everyone we’re all high fiving each

7:39 other on the job world thought because

7:40 my son been adopted did it and it was

7:43 just awful and then they just left me as

7:46 soon as he took the total just left mid

7:48 the other psychological report saying

7:50 that I was I was delusional because i

7:54 was saying that I’ve been abused in care

7:55 and because I was delusional apparently

7:59 about the abuse in care then I was

8:00 delusional about my partner hitting me

8:02 and I was the buyer look will do is

8:04 saying and there that a little much

8:09 before adoption and yield to went to

8:11 hear me let me see him for one hour a

8:13 month so that was it and I know that I’d

8:17 know that he wasn’t a good father to

8:18 them but the matter how many complaints

8:20 i made social says you think 10 it was

8:22 like why was it always my abusers why

8:25 didn’t I abuses always win but you know

8:27 I mean it must have been something that

8:28 was wrong with me and attacked the next

8:32 few years just basically getting drunk

8:34 all time and a massive drink problem and

8:37 then I met somebody else and he was

8:40 violent as well and I got pregnant up in

8:44 but then I escaped while I was pregnant

8:45 and and I thought no this is it I’ve

8:49 stopped drinking I thought now I’m going

8:51 to have this baby and then I think

8:53 got about six weeks pregnant the elders

8:55 have been in reduction for three years

8:57 and then I get a knock at the door and

8:59 it’s the social worker that had taken in

9:01 and she said the adoption hasn’t worked

9:04 his back and I said what to baby

9:07 adoption as at work said she took him

9:08 off me because you said that I couldn’t

9:10 give him a stable life and she says well

9:13 he’s back and he wants to come home so

9:15 we’re going to start this program to

9:17 bring him home and the following year

9:20 when I’ve Mossad masama hunt the 11th of

9:22 May and on the twelfth of May my eldest

9:26 son who was then 12 he came home forever

9:30 and all the assessments that they’ve

9:33 done in the first time when they took

9:35 the children this town became back in

9:37 there was all perfect and I know as a

9:39 fantastic mother any have a high IQ and

9:42 just terribly amazing and then I come

9:47 home and there was no problems and then

9:49 I met my husband and we had another

9:52 child we was happy the children will

9:56 love the word protected there were other

9:58 lovely kids and the elder said they

10:01 don’t leave in oboro six ed came back

10:03 from adoption we have very very lot of

10:05 problems a hell of a lot of problems and

10:07 social services just like being there

10:09 they didn’t offer him any support they

10:11 didn’t offer me any support it’s put

10:13 that much into splitting us up but then

10:16 when it came to putting this book

10:17 together there was nothing there and

10:20 they would be added up I was pregnant

10:23 when the fourth child with my husband I

10:25 had a five-year-old the four-year-old

10:28 and two-year-old and I was pregnant in

10:31 my fourth child and my husband left me

10:34 and I ended up giving birth at home

10:37 again I had one of them stupid birth

10:39 again and they ended up giving birth on

10:41 my hope my own at home with the kids

10:43 they’re so then social services got

10:45 involved again and this was five years

10:50 after my elders to come home from

10:51 adoption and then this time it went

10:54 through caught again and it was exactly

10:56 the same as the first time the second

11:00 time when I got all the good assessments

11:01 and they were telling me that I was good

11:03 on this and he had a high IQ and

11:04 everything that had all been spoke on

11:06 the cord didn’t

11:07 hear any of that all the way to here was

11:10 the bad ones that they’d used when they

11:12 took the first children so did they

11:15 decide that they wanted to take this new

11:17 baby and leave you with the other

11:19 children that you were okay to look up

11:21 Oh took more the ended up he got

11:24 involved when the baby was new and then

11:28 he put me on child protection and all my

11:31 god for that 11 months added everything

11:33 and everything backwards just to keep

11:35 holding my children they will come round

11:37 quarter past nine every single morning

11:40 and by then I’d like a bad one child at

11:44 school dropped him off at school and add

11:46 another one dropped him off at nursery

11:47 and then I was back and had fed and

11:50 dressed still the babies and everything

11:51 everything was ready and if he came in

11:54 and the breakfast cops haven’t been

11:55 washed yeah all the bedding Hubble been

11:58 major to know because i’m luciene out

12:00 for school who was like you’re a

12:02 pathetic mother you’re a pathetic mother

12:04 look at the state of this house you

12:06 don’t deserve you children and they

12:08 bullied me in every single cent of the

12:10 world for 11 longmont and then

12:14 eventually they took him and then when

12:16 they took him what I didn’t know at the

12:18 time I refused to sign anything this

12:21 time I said no I’m not signing anything

12:23 you’re not trick him in with anything

12:25 and I refuse to sign and it is the day

12:26 one and I’ve got witnesses the proves

12:28 art and then when I got my paperwork

12:30 about last year they’ve got a forged

12:33 signature saying that I stand him in

12:34 care and there was in care for a month

12:37 before any court proceedings and started

12:40 and because they woulda needed the extra

12:43 evidence so as soon as it taken and they

12:45 give me a psychological assessment and

12:47 this time in psychological assessment

12:49 the agreed that had been raped in the

12:51 care system but because I’ve been making

12:53 the care system I was a risk of future

12:56 emotional harm and neglect they did it

13:00 was just so horrendous and the world the

13:03 social worker that it was team Yeji

13:06 social workers oaks to work of managing

13:07 the area manager and every want to try

13:10 to complain to there was all laughing at

13:12 me and say when any of your complaints

13:14 going to shredder and I kept saying the

13:17 working as a team and everyone’s going

13:18 no you’re being paranoid to being power

13:20 as soon as it took much

13:21 children after my first contact he made

13:24 sure that I waited he told me to wait

13:25 because the what into words with me the

13:27 social work that had took my children be

13:29 presented it with a bouquet of flowers

13:30 on a job well done and then three months

13:33 later I find out that these same people

13:36 that were all working together that I

13:37 was told I was being paranoid about all

13:39 opened a new business but independent

13:43 social workers where they get money from

13:45 the core to get our cover evidence for

13:48 other people a what it’s Cheryl what

13:53 what what’s that is that companies till

13:55 around what’s it called yeah it’s called

13:56 Heather card associates can you spell

14:00 that for us Heather Haiti a th ER c ard

14:07 associates um so anyway how did you deal

14:11 with going at me to go to court and any

14:13 cuz you have a solicitor that sort of

14:15 thing I had a solicitor in this is where

14:18 I realized that the solicitors in Family

14:21 Court did you get the same pet to get

14:23 the same about of pay whether you win or

14:25 lose so but it can’t be bothered but

14:27 just they want more customers coming

14:29 after social services so they do what

14:32 the social service is one basically my

14:34 social worker she just didn’t like me

14:36 and she made it very clear and I’ve got

14:39 the paperwork that were got on the

14:40 paperwork but last year and in it my

14:44 social worker whether talking about care

14:46 order my solicitor was talking about a

14:48 care order you say can we get this job

14:50 all over and done with pass I need to

14:52 get my car into the garage because I’ve

14:53 got a hug going on holiday tomorrow and

14:56 the Guardian The Guardian had light and

14:59 he’s supposed to be the children’s

15:01 solicitor he’s supposed to be the

15:02 children’s voice and he goes to the

15:04 court and he says what he thinks he’s

15:07 route to the children I met him outside

15:09 the core I’m I said have you met my

15:11 children the lovely children aren’t

15:12 there and he says no Cheryl haven’t met

15:14 them I don’t need to meet them and I

15:16 won’t be and then he went into the

15:18 courtroom entered that if you went the

15:20 first option and now two of them have

15:24 been forced adopted by a member of the

15:26 team that took my children bill the to

15:31 their love 10 and 11 they have a bit

15:34 allowed to see any family

15:35 for the last four or five years they

15:36 haven’t been adopted there in long-term

15:38 foster care but the coil put them on a

15:40 placement order which means that I’ve

15:43 got no racks his apparent to contact a

15:46 last year last November it was I went to

15:49 a meeting and he said we’re going to

15:51 take place in the order off and we’re

15:53 going to resume contact the children

15:55 have wrote you letters will be sent it

15:57 into you and would like to write back

16:00 and I’m still waiting now for these

16:02 letters and for this court dealing to

16:04 start and little did remove this

16:06 placement order our cart even have

16:08 contact with them two little boys that

16:09 I’ve been stuck in the system not seeing

16:11 each other or anybody else because we

16:14 wanted a little too adopted so do you

16:18 feel like you’ve had your children

16:19 stolen yeah definitely it was a planned

16:24 attack it was a totally planned attack

16:26 the way they bullied me and he’s like my

16:29 next door neighbor like she was on the

16:31 17 at the time she was doing the

16:33 childcare course at college and she

16:35 witnessed it herself and I stopped her

16:37 wanted to go into childcare she

16:39 witnessed it herself and she says I

16:41 can’t believe it it was a mullet lease I

16:44 used to child man my little niece she

16:45 was only seven at the time she’s hiding

16:48 in the dining room one day because she’d

16:50 heard our nasty these social workers

16:52 were with me and she tied it in there is

16:55 she’s even I’m saying that my little

16:56 girl is ideal for adoption why do people

17:00 like me have chilled a lot like her

17:02 because my daughter was she very

17:03 beautiful ciao and if that still haunts

17:07 me at least now did a lot of easy 30

17:09 thou and it still it still hurts ahead

17:11 now and that the cousin did not realize

17:15 see any of the cousins and it’s affected

17:17 the cousins on this side and it’s just

17:20 so wrong why put them in a system that

17:22 has already failed me my abusers have

17:25 got my children and I can’t do anything

17:28 about it Eddie fly it been on a

17:30 nightmare with my eyes pinned Oakland

17:32 and be forced to watch this doc bear

17:34 ongoing there’s nothing I can do about

17:36 it after Victor 25 different solicitors

17:40 are tried to put my dear son and not one

17:43 of them will take my case I don’t want

17:44 to know nobody wants to go because

17:46 family core is secret call

17:49 no she knows what happens just go

17:51 through your children and when you last

17:54 saw them and what that content was like

17:56 and my last contact with the adopted to

18:01 melaka by was free and he asked the

18:05 social worker da we asked me if I’d

18:08 marry in social workers stood there and

18:11 he asked me if I’d marry him alice is

18:13 the car get Barry sweep out I’m your

18:14 mommy alyssa is yes but if I’m area that

18:17 I can come and live with yes and that’s

18:21 just stuck in my head every time do not

18:23 me that’s all I can think about is that

18:24 little paulik abide and he used to pick

18:26 tweaks or pop the floor and he pointed

18:28 the tree in a glass a money tree and

18:30 then he picked the two a couple he said

18:31 up that’s an ugly tree that his name and

18:34 it just breaks my heart my little girl

18:37 was only 2 i’ve got five sons mother and

18:41 two started my second daughter is my

18:44 second eldest so at of another four sons

18:47 before my daughter so she was very very

18:49 much wanted and cherien I it was just

18:53 horrendous it was and my little boys the

18:57 last time I send them the foster carer

18:58 made up a story and said I was shouting

19:00 abuse at when I was coming out the

19:02 contact center and I’ve never said a

19:05 word for hours on the telephone I

19:06 haven’t said a word so I hadn’t even

19:08 looked out over it was hard enough

19:09 seeing my total to drag away anyway any

19:13 so just some of the foster carers I’m

19:15 not saying all of them because I have

19:17 seen some amazing foster care is some

19:19 really amazing ones but some of them

19:21 they just they think that the bet is on

19:23 you and they will do anything to make

19:26 things difficult for you because it’s

19:27 hard work for them they’ve got to come

19:29 in from school then go out to contact

19:30 they don’t want to be doing that they

19:32 get an extra 500 pound per child per

19:34 week to look after that chil but not if

19:37 it disrupts their routine the majority

19:40 of amalah do it for the money it’s just

19:43 it’s a cruel wicked horrible system and

19:46 this future risk of emotional harm

19:49 seventy-five percent of children and the

19:52 care system in UK now have been taken

19:55 for the future risk of emotional harm

19:58 neglect nothing has happened to them

20:01 that is

20:02 that’s a credible cause to go to court

20:04 the judge just ignores everything you

20:07 say and just as exactly what the social

20:10 workers asking to be don’t even listen

20:11 to what you say it they never get your

20:13 children’s name right we’re giving car

20:15 it’s it’s just horrible and then because

20:19 you shouted you getting upset you can

20:21 take all volatile but what what you want

20:24 us to do to know what really I did

20:27 everything and more I barely did on a

20:30 realist end children did not deserve

20:32 being taken off me they didn’t write at

20:34 all and it did gag me as well the court

20:37 gagged me and told me I’ll go to prison

20:38 if I tell my story well I’m not bothered

20:42 to show me to prison and then maybe then

20:45 we’ll get to proper court crown court

20:48 and then we can get my case out in the

20:50 open and we could talk about it Cheryl

20:53 what do you put it down to me what was

20:56 behind what’s the motivation for this

20:58 treatment of you and this prophet in the

21:00 pair system I believe that we would like

21:04 to be abused when we within the care

21:05 system to keep the wheel turning at the

21:08 system in future when we are children i

21:10 believe so then that that was an excuse

21:13 for us to lose our children there’s

21:15 profit in it this so there’s so many

21:17 social work has now got multi-million

21:19 pound fostering agencies and a lidded

21:23 social workers I don’t know if it’s true

21:26 but I’ve seen it in a lot of papers they

21:28 get bonuses for if they get enough

21:30 adoptions for that month and so they

21:33 don’t go after the broken children the

21:35 broken children they’re not going to

21:38 make any money in adoption because don’t

21:40 want a broken child and adopter wants a

21:42 pillar technical baby that’s going to

21:44 match the little house and the handbag

21:46 don’t want to know what I mean eats and

21:48 eats the abused children that’s what the

21:50 care system was made for but they’re

21:52 just ignored in favor of the pretty

21:54 children the ones they can sell it is I

21:59 thought it was just me I really fought

22:01 for a la la la long time I just got my

22:03 face is impaired I must’ve done

22:06 something wrong in a previous life or

22:08 all this to happen to me and then I

22:10 found support groups on Facebook Eddie

22:13 eats thousands there’s thousands of

22:16 Aaron’s like me all screaming to be

22:18 heard with basically identical stories

22:22 it’s just who renders the amount of X

22:25 care children that their children are in

22:27 care now is ridiculous I mean if that

22:30 care system was so good that they’ve got

22:33 to take our children for the future risk

22:35 of harm and it was so good then why is

22:37 that care system failing so many people

22:40 so what do you think needs doing if you

22:42 were sitting in the I don’t know David

22:45 Cameron’s chair you say right we’re

22:47 going to change things what needs

22:48 changing I think the whole care system

22:50 needs reforming the whole thing I think

22:54 they’ve got it wrong each slide in my

22:56 family personally it’s been going on for

22:58 70 years my mother was declared child in

23:01 yaris residential schools and then me

23:04 and and he’s like every generation it’s

23:08 three generations imagine my family that

23:10 I’ve been broken bad care system you

23:12 taught you you tried didn’t you didn’t

23:14 you try to break out of that pelham

23:17 didn’t you try to break out of that

23:19 cycle yeah yeah tried with all my heart

23:23 and it just it just wasn’t good enough

23:25 it’s like once your care kid it just

23:28 feels like we’ve got a big red stamp on

23:30 your pal and nothing you can do nobody

23:33 wants to listen to you the psychiatric

23:35 this fat Hetrick reports to give just

23:38 for the core they’re just you just say

23:41 what the court wants them to say and

23:43 it’s proved that in my notes where when

23:46 my elder son came back psychological

23:49 report said I have no issues and it

23:52 nobody’s ever told me I didn’t know

23:54 until three years ago what mental health

23:56 issues were and it was only when I was

23:59 diagnosed with post-traumatic stress

24:00 disorder and by a polar which was

24:02 probably caused by what I’ve been

24:03 through that I realize that oh maybe

24:07 I’ve had mental health issues all this

24:08 time in the tablet could have helped

24:09 them but nobody bothered to tell me it

24:14 was just loads of jargon and if I was

24:20 the decide focused with this case

24:24 she said we recommended children come

24:28 home but six months of therapy for

24:31 Cheryl first and then six months of

24:32 therapy after that we show alarm the

24:35 children and the social worker SAT there

24:37 and said but when paying for that if you

24:39 want that Cheryl you’ll have to pay

24:41 yourself this was the therapy that my

24:43 doctor said I’ve imagined because he had

24:45 never heard of it it was called schema

24:47 focused fo repair and I couldn’t get it

24:51 anywhere nobody will give it to men and

24:54 social workers who say they weren’t

24:55 paying for it even though the

24:56 psychotherapist in said it because of

24:58 what happened to me and care so they old

25:00 myth up and they didn’t know they just

25:02 what no go for adoption instead hey I

25:06 wasn’t give it a chance at all it was

25:08 horrible is what motivates the social

25:12 workers that have been you know doing

25:14 high fives when you’re your kids get

25:17 taken away get bouquets of flowers

25:19 that’s what motivates them the bonus is

25:22 the gap is they’re going to get

25:26 promotion because they’re getting the

25:29 kids into adults and that’s what the

25:30 government drive is at the minute in it

25:32 is for the adoption drive the adoption

25:34 dragged adoption driving the adoptions

25:36 are now for the government is marching

25:39 airy and he was deputy head at Madden’s

25:42 like they did medically is that sort of

25:45 the horror story in itself up into them

25:47 boys and he didn’t notice all the

25:49 thousands of boys being abused but the

25:53 government think he’s the perfect man to

25:54 have a say in adoption so who’s this

25:56 somewhere martinair a it was to see it

26:01 Madden’s late med ins Lee was a boy’s

26:03 borstal not sure where it was if you

26:06 google wait to find it but each

26:09 horrendous horrendous abuse happen to

26:11 young boys horrendous and Martin area

26:14 was a governor there and then he went

26:16 from there it got a job as CEO CEO /

26:20 barnardo’s and then he’s gone from there

26:22 and now is the adoptions are but you

26:25 didn’t notice all these boys being

26:26 abused that really somebody that should

26:28 be making judgments on people’s children

26:31 if I our children are ours the

26:35 government owned our children basic

26:37 so how do you survive day to day show

26:40 are you on your own there yeah I don’t I

26:45 won’t have a relationship after my

26:48 marriage broke or perm I’m not even

26:50 trying again Oh mate I’m very close to

26:55 my sister-in-law and my nieces and

26:56 nephews and they keep me going and the

27:02 people’s tribunals kept me busy these

27:03 last couple years and brother since the

27:06 word basically I’ve just been an

27:08 activist and I’ve just tried to get the

27:10 truth out in any way I can in anyways I

27:15 went into Westminster Abbey and think

27:18 it’s two years ago and i squirted some

27:20 paint on the statue I got heavily fined

27:22 for it but I just wanted to get in the

27:25 newspapers cause a fight they get in the

27:26 newspapers then i’m on google if i’m on

27:29 google then if the kids try and find me

27:31 they can see that I’m here and I’m still

27:33 fighting I’ve tried going to all the

27:36 journalists I’ve tried everything away

27:38 and nobody wants to talk about this

27:40 hidden secret of forced adoption it’s

27:43 exactly what the nuns were doing but

27:45 social services have taken it over it’s

27:47 still wrong it’s still immoral and it’s

27:50 still happening and I would just feel so

27:53 lucky that I never got a baby took a

27:56 newborn I’ve seen so many people the

28:00 waiter at the bottom of the bed while

28:02 giving birth to catch the baby exactly

28:03 off him and he I don’t think ever

28:07 survived that I don’t think I’ve got

28:08 through that it is but if I say somebody

28:13 lost the child like because people they

28:16 lose each other some stupid reasons but

28:18 if you lost the child is somebody adopt

28:20 to that child if that parent gets

28:22 pregnant again the adopters get first

28:24 choice and wedge we do on that child so

28:28 is the Delta dressage they want that

28:29 child but it shows that child born it’s

28:31 taken

28:43 that was dialect this week and I’m Tony

28:46 Gosling thanks very much to our guests

28:49 and whiskey in our crane and Cheryl

28:51 callers from the people’s tribunal and

28:53 also to studio engineer papers n coke

28:55 please join us at the same time next

28:57 week and we’re online at dialect radio

29:00 Co drop you can see you next week bye

29:03 for now

29:31 Oh

Tim Ballard, Jim Caviezel Jordan Peterson Interview Transcript

Here Tim Ballard answers questions from Vice and wikipedia not proper questions about funding and his whiteboard plan etc

Links

[1] Jordan Peterson interviews Tim Ballard The Sound of Freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTBGNEliczc&t=1650s

Transcript

0:00this is the best interview I’ve ever had in  my life I love your line of questioning and um  

0:06getting to what what is real I hooked into Tim has  a childlike quality to him and I stay with that  

0:14innocence and that and don’t take that innocence’s  weakness or uh and uh when I read the scripture  

0:21I I feel truth good evil and I find the good  and let that just Pierce The Darkness [Music]  Intro

0:46hello everyone watching and listening today  I have the pleasure of speaking to two people  

0:53someone you most likely know for his portrayal  of Jesus of Nazareth in Passion of the Christ  

1:00Jim Caviezel and also someone you should know  if you don’t already The Man Behind operation  

1:07Underground Railroad Tim Ballard we discussed the  new film The Sound of freedom wherein Mr cavizo  

1:16plays Tim Bellard in the telling of his real life  story detailing his fight against the increasingly  

1:23worldwide and pervasive childhood sex trade the  film The Sound of Freedom releases on July 4th  

1:33so about a week and a half ago I got a text  message from Tony Robbins uh suggesting that  

1:38I watch a new film called the sound of freedom and  I did that about four days ago with my wife Tammy  

1:44and was quite struck by the movie and I decided  to follow up on it it details out the efforts of  

1:52one man Tim Bellard to investigate uh the a child  sexual slave ring and to rescue the children that  

2:01were associated with that but it also points to  a broader social problem which is the spread of  

2:08sexual and slave trafficking worldwide abetted by  the gnat which is a great Avenue for Psychopathic  

2:17criminals to pursue their darkest desires with  very little risk of being caught especially on  

2:24the multinational basis so I’ve decided to I to to  reach out to Tim Bellard who is the um the man who  

2:35who the movie is about and to Jim Caviezel who’s  the actor that plays him to talk about what all  

2:41this signifies and so Tim let’s start with you  I mean the movie makes the case that there is  The magnitude of the modern slave trade

2:48a widely expanding network of slavery essentially  making itself manifest worldwide concentrating in  

2:56no small part on very young children who  are being sold repeatedly to pedophilic

3:05Psychopaths to have at their will and of course  can be sold repeatedly for that purpose and the  

3:14movie makes the case that this is now an  operation that’s rivaling the drug trade   in magnitude so you know it sounds like yet  another right-wing conspiracy so please why  

3:25don’t you walk us through what you know and and  and help me understand and everybody watching and   listening exactly what you think is going on yeah  thank you so much uh Jordan we’re so grateful uh  

3:37you take your time to do this with us so I spent  12 years as a special agent undercover operator  

3:42with the Department of Homeland Security most of  my time 90 of that time was spent investigating  

3:48these cases child crimes child trafficking and in  fact those numbers are correct uh that are being  

3:54this these are Department of Labor U.N these  are sources that um you know the the best we  

3:59have that say that there’s close to Six Million  children or more who are forced into sex slavery  

4:05labor slavery or organ harvesting and I can  attest that I have been involved in in cases  

4:11involving all three of those forms of slavery  multiple times and is absolutely is a real thing  

4:16um it’s not even far far from home uh it’s the  United States is the number one consumer year  

4:22after year of child rate material and oftentimes  we we’re close to number one in production  

4:29um and it’s a serious matter you know the case um  the story and the sound of Freedom kicks off with  

4:35the rescue of a little boy at the Port of Entry uh  the southern border that’s a real story a real boy  

4:42um that I I was on that Port of Entry I was 10  years on the southern border so when you have 85   000 unaccompanied minors showing up in the last  two years being let into the country without the  

4:51sponsor being vetted DNA checked background  checked um you know I called the economy of  

4:57pedophilia at the United States where the demand  85 000 children thousands of them are under five  

5:02years old are are LED into the country so we  have we have a serious serious problem and  

5:07uh it’s it’s not being addressed as it should  be hopefully this film can do that have have   what has been your experience with regard to  so-called mainstream Media or Legacy media  

5:18coverage how much attention has been paid to this  and if not much why and if reasonably who and how  

5:25well I think not not very much has been  uh you know attention has been given by  

5:32mainstream media oftentimes it’s more innocent  than cynical perhaps where it’s just this is too   dark I don’t want to expose our audience to  this horrific thing um you know we I I film  

5:42we film our operations I mean I I’m going  to post today another operation in in West  

5:48Africa of a baby Factory I mean these are real  cases where they’ve they’ve kidnapped women  

5:54um as young as 13 year olds and children and  they impregnate them they rape them and they   make babies and they take these babies and sell  them for their organs sell them for sex sell them  

6:02for a Satanic ritual abuse like it’s it’s it does  sound crazy that’s why I film it our operations  

6:08we film our operations so that we can show the  world this is very real it’s really happening  

6:13um and I think if there’s two million children  forced into commercial sex which is this the   most uh kind of credible statistic that we can  find a lot of people are involved so there is a  

6:24more cynical answer to your question which may  be there’s people that don’t want this exposed   the because they’re involved in it so I’m going to  harass you a bit here um from the Wikipedia page  Addressing criticism

6:37um there is some not that I’m particular  particular fan of Wikipedia Pages uh depending on  

6:43the circumstances but there are some criticisms of  what you’re doing and I thought we might as well  

6:50um address them right off the bat bat  because people who are watching are  

6:56going to be look man if I was coming across  this for the first time and in some ways I am  

7:01I’ve got two choices in front of me don’t I I can  either presume that you’ve discovered something  

7:07that’s ongoing and of tremendous significance  that’s terribly dark or I can assume that the  

7:14difficult work that you had done for a decade um  genuinely addressing these problems has made you  

7:21hypersensitive to a threat and willing to magnify  it and it would be easier just to ignore you as a  

7:28consequence now that would be the preferable  um outcome to such an investigation wouldn’t  

7:34it so you can as as you said you can understand  why people might want to avert their eyes from   such a thing so I’m going to walk through these  criticisms and maybe you could you know you can  

7:43respond to them and we can get that out of the  way before we go deeper into the film and and  

7:48your your uh in your your uh your operations so  so your group and this is Operation Underground  

7:58Railroad and tell me if I get anything wrong here  says it devours conspiracy theories though founder  

8:03Tom Bellard was criticized for refusing  to condemn the Q Anon conspiracy theory  

8:09um I have no idea what the hell that  means do you know what that’s referring to   yeah absolutely we um that’s that’s a lie in  Wikipedia we have absolutely an rfaqs for years  

8:19have have condemned the majority of of what we  see um with conspiracy theories uh so I they like  

8:27to attribute me to the Q Anon movement um there  may be some truths in there but there’s so many  

8:32falsehoods on top of that so our FAQs refute that  immediately um because it can it discredits the  

8:40movement in fact I would go so far as to consider  that maybe certain people who don’t want this  

8:45known are responsible for some of the conspiracy  theories in order to discredit the movement  

8:52um and uh they go too far they go too far in in  their assessment of things but yeah we absolutely  

8:57have just disavowed uh what’s generally coming out  of of Q Anon yeah well it says you know it’s very  

9:04vague on Wikipedia it says to condemn the Q Anon  conspiracy theory well I know perfectly well that  

9:12there are more than one conspiracy theories let’s  say on Q and on so I’m not even exactly sure what   it’s referring to what is there a particular  conspiracy theory that um you were criticized  Organ and blood trade

9:23for refusing to condemn do you have any more  specific details about that I mean I I’m not  

9:29sure what exactly they’re talking about Pro they  might be uh referring to the fact that there’s  

9:35something called adrenal Chrome where they take  they’re taking children’s blood and devouring it  

9:41and so forth uh and I’ve explained my experience  with that and and I just did in West Africa and  

9:47other places we’ve seen this in in several parts  of the continent of Africa and it’s very real it’s  

9:53very real This Witch doctory they take these  children we they they take their organs they  

9:58take their blood they they they drink it they take  the genitalia of children and and hang it over the  

10:03rooftop of their businesses thinking that the the  dark Gods will bless them these are real things  

10:09um and so I might say something like that and  then they connect it to something uh that a q   Anon person says about you know a celebrity who  must be doing this too but there’s no evidence  

10:20to back that and they make they make a false  connection there um and and so that’s that’s  

10:26the only example I can think of okay got it well  the next thing it says is that the the operation  

10:32underground Railway fall mostly claimed that it  had entered a partnership with American Airlines   that was in 2022 so what do you what do you what  do you have to say about that oh there’s a great  

10:42one so a PR firm uh who represented um us made a  deal with American Airlines uh came to us and said  

10:50shoot the video they’re going to put this video  on your uh we’re gonna put there for this video on   the airlines they shot the video of me I just get  a call from our PR Company to put me in a studio  

10:59I give a video that I think I’m talking to the  passengers for one month uh on American Airlines  

11:05apparently the deal fell through the PR Company  didn’t tell us that and our our marketing company  

11:11our marketing team put out hey we’re going to be  on American Airlines the PR Company apologized   we had we fired them they said we can’t believe  we didn’t get the message to you and that was it  

11:21and of course there’s people that want so badly  for us to be wrong or us to not do what we say we  

11:26do so they exploited that I think that was a vice  magazine very incredibly dishonest uh Journal uh I  

11:33can’t call him journalist us the vice magazine did  they’ve done a series of hit pieces on this and I  

11:38I encourage people I encourage people to read it  readvice readvice because everything they say is  

11:43so ridiculous and so dishonest right right yes  well and I I do believe if I remember correctly  

11:48the advice is also declared bankruptcy in the last  few weeks and I can’t imagine an organization more  

11:54richly deserving there was a 2021 follow-up  article from Vice but I don’t think we’re  

11:59going to I’ll just read part of it because it’s so  ridiculous conflating consensual sex work with sex  

12:05trafficking yeah well that’s exactly the kind of  Weasley um what would you call it criticism that  

12:11I’d expect from people who were trying to justify  the sorts of behaviors that you are attempting to   expose um then there’s a 2021 article in slate  criticizing a 2014 raid conducted by operation  Slate and dishonest journalism

12:25underground Railway in the Dominican Republic  saying that it was likely to have traumatized   the traffic children um Ann Gallagher an  authority on human trafficking wrote in 2015  

12:36that our had an alarming lack of understanding  about how sophisticated criminal trafficking  

12:41networks must be approached and dismantled and  called the work of our arrogant unethical and  

12:47illegal so and have a way of that oh thank you  I’m grateful for this opportunity so someone  

12:54like Ann Gallagher who lives 3000 miles away from  any operation we’ve ever done is not qualified to  

12:59talk about what our operations she can’t give  any uh details she can’t give any examples  

13:06um the Slate article is a fun one to address I’ve  addressed it several times um we um early on we  

13:13brought a blogger down to do to to watch our  operations we we invite people down but if Tony  

13:18Robbins has been down um we invite politicians the  Attorney General of Utah’s coming our operations  

13:23um if we’re hiding something that’s the last thing  we would of course do so we bring this journalist   this blogger I won’t call her a journalist  um and we thought she was a friend and she  

13:32came and watched a legit legitimate operation  happened in in Dominican Republic there were  

13:38seven traffickers who showed up seven traffickers  arrested there were um 20 plus uh people rescued  

13:46nine of them were children you can’t you can’t  sometimes you can’t always uh control who shows  

13:51up to the sting party the traffickers bring  who they will but nine children uh showed up  

13:57they were all liberated from the the the the  the um you know the control of their captors  

14:04um this blogger then wrote two glowing stories  about it that she witnessed this she had very  

14:09minimal exposure to the operation itself  she she witnessed it some seven years later  

14:15she decides to use it in my opinion to  somehow increase her social media following  

14:20as our foundation grew and she writes a story  it’s in slate now here’s here’s the key thing  

14:26um nine children rescued and nine children  had three years of Aftercare services in  

14:32this operation provided by International Justice  mission one of the top authorities in Aftercare  

14:38and and fighting human trafficking um seven  traffickers were not only arrested but all seven  

14:44were convicted so she chose the wrong case to  criticize now tellingly if if anyone’s gonna write  

14:51a story about that operation good bad or otherwise  and they leave out the part that says seven  

14:57traffickers were arrested and seven traffickers  were convicted and nine children were liberated  

15:03and had three years of Aftercare to heal them if  you leave that part out either you are extremely  

15:09incompetent as a researcher and writer or you’re  a liar either way the story has zero credibility  

15:17on that fact alone that you because she doesn’t  even report on those two on those two essential  

15:23elements all right well we’ve hypothetically  dispensed with Vice which of course is a  

15:30yeah well it’s pretty funny that that’s what they  named their organization as far as I’m concerned   and we’ll leave the Slate issue aside Jim let me  ask you a couple of questions if you don’t mind  Why Jim Caviezel joined “Sound of Freedom” cast

15:39do you want to first of all tell people um about  your involvement with Angel Studios a little bit  

15:44about your career and why this particular movie  sound of Freedom it’s it it’s opening what in  

15:49early July is it July when does it come out it  comes out uh July 4th week so next week next week  

15:55it’s it’s it’s out in theaters uh Nationwide so  so let me turn to Jim Jim can you hear me yes yes  

16:03all right so yeah do you want to detail out your  your association with Angel Studios tell everybody  

16:09first who Angel studios are what they’ve done  and I’ve watched a lot of the chosen by the way  

16:15which I thought was extremely high quality um do  you tell us about the studio tell us about your  

16:20involvement with them about your career and then  about your attraction to this particular movie  

16:27well let’s start with the movie first um I  have three uh adopted children from China  

16:36I became aware of the dangers that go on um with  children around the world and through that process  

16:45um then I became aware of Tim Ballard and  coincidentally then my friend Eduardo verastigi  

16:53brought me this script because many of the  actors that they had offered it to didn’t  

17:02want to get involved in this particular project  I read the script I love the movie Taken and I  

17:10thought this is like taken but with a much bigger  heart then Tim Ballard came to the meeting he had  

17:18seen two films that I did one was called The  Count of Monte Cristo and then the other one  

17:23was The Passion of the Christ and he felt that  I’d be the right guy to play him Angel Studios  

17:29I had nothing no connection to them until a few  months ago when they wanted to do this movie  

17:39and they wanted their idea was to sell 2 million  tickets for these two million trafficked children  

17:47so why why is it that a number of actors why in  your estimation did a number of actors turn down  

17:54the opportunity to play the role what and and and  why and why did you decide to forego that risk and  

18:01to and to climb aboard I foregoed the risk because  when you have uh three children that you loved  

18:11when you’d give your life for it kind of connects  into Tim Ballard and Tim did this for this little  

18:19girl and the children that he saves it’s something  uh is a greater purpose that even your career  

18:28uh you know like I I went through this with Mel  Gibson when we did the passion that my career  Schindler’s List, making the film now instead of 50 years too late

18:35was the last thing I thought of what I thought  about was the God I love and I put this in how  

18:44I look at it is is that this God that I love it  he loves me and he deserved to be loved back and  

18:52so I I would be nothing without him he gave me my  purpose and this life so um the the Tim Ballard I  

19:02was very fortunate that he had seen those um films  and um when I looked at and I think Tim made this  

19:10comparison Schindler’s List was a very uh powerful  weapon but it came 50 years too late this film is  

19:21now this is exposing it now during that time and  I believe that is probably why it’s easier to get  

19:29an OCTA to do a movie 50 years later there’s no  controversy it’s over but the the individuals  

19:35imagine if Rwanda if that story had been made  that movie had been made during that time or  

19:42that they could see it you know it you you have  to look at these situations and understand that  

19:50um good people sit back and do nothing and allow  this evil to occur there’s got to be people that  

19:58stand up in the time that it occurs and that’s  what drew me to the whole story in the first place  

20:05and do you do you how how do you feel about  the movie now you’ve seen the movie in its   entirety it’s about to be released uh it’s a  fully fledged high quality production I was  

20:15particularly impressed by the cinematography um it  it’s also extraordinarily well edited the acting  

20:22um I don’t want to flatter you but the acting is  extremely high quality it’s very realistic movie   um how how do you how how do you feel about your  involvement now that everything is done and and  

20:31how do you feel about the what would you say  the production capacity of Angel Studios which   is a relatively you know it’s a relatively new a  relative newcomer on the on the mass entertainment  

20:41block when I was sitting next in Tim Ballard and  he leaned over and he started to weep uh heavily I  

20:51knew I did my job so do you want to run us briefly  through I don’t want to give away the entire plot  

20:57because that would obviously be pointless but do  you want to just run this briefly through Jim the   the the the plot of the movie and then I’ll turn  to Tim and fill in some of the background details  

21:07of his life and so I play Tim Ballard he’s a  Homeland Security he sets up these um uh sting  

21:17operations to take down these very very bad men uh  to save traffic children and one particular case  

21:25one of the traffickers that he takes down earned  slipachinski uh who’s he he rescues this boy and  

21:34the little boy turns to him and says will you save  my sister and Tim goes back gets the direction  

21:42from above and from his wife and goes back and  he sells everything to find this little girl  Particularizing the problem

21:49so what I liked about the script so I’ve  noticed that one of the most effective ways  

21:55of communicating complex ideas effectively is to  particularize the problem and so what happens in  

22:04this movie is that the broad problem of sexual of  of slavery and human trafficking and the somewhat  

22:12narrower problem of sexual trafficking of  children is zeroed uh is is what focused  

22:20on a particular case and so that gives the movie a  very powerful narrative underpinning right because  

22:26when our problem is particularized and you can see  how it affects actual specific people’s lives it  

22:31becomes much more realistic and much more palpable  and I thought the movie did a good job of that  

22:37uh Tim do you want to walk everybody listening  through let’s go back into the details of your  

22:43life now you worked for this you you worked we  worked for the Special Forces per se and who who  The real story they based the film on

22:49are you working for before you decided to forego  your career and to pursue this the case that we’re   describing so I worked for 12 years as a special  agent and undercover undercover operator for the  

23:00Department of Homeland Security the investigative  division called Homeland Security investigations   10 of those years were spent on the border uh  tracking child traffickers people who would  

23:10exploit children with child exploitation material  so I really learned a lot in 2006 the laws changed  

23:17in the United States and for the first time  U.S agents were permitted and encouraged to go  

23:22overseas and find children who Americans were  abusing and we could now hold those Americans  

23:28accountable as if they had committed that crime  on U.S soil that’s that’s what really changed my  

23:33life because I started I speak Spanish fluently  and they sent me overseas South of the Border   that’s when my eyes opened up and I started seeing  the children that I used to only see mostly on the  

23:43on the pornography on the child expectation  material cases um but it was tormenting me uh  

23:50the US government unwittingly was because if I  couldn’t find that connection back to the United   States States the American kid or the American  pedophile I had to come home but the problem  

24:00is I’ve already been exposed to the children  I’ve already been exposed to the problem and  

24:05oftentimes have made myself debate and in 2012  I had enough on this case I kind of went more I  

24:12went further than otherwise I probably should have  the movie didn’t have time to tell you that there   was another case in Haiti at the same time that I  was working uh thinking there was a U.S Nexus and  

24:23I was told in both instances to come home and you  couldn’t work these cases and that’s when I had a  

24:29very consequential conversation with my wife and  I said if I stay here if I do this operation with  

24:36or without my badge it doesn’t matter at this  point I I’m I can do the work we will save kids  

24:43um and um but I I have to lose my job and we have  six children and this is this is a moral dilemma  

24:49like I’ve never faced in my life and I was hoping  my wife would have responded with get your ass  

24:57home you can’t you can’t abandon us you know first  of all you’re gonna die without the top cover of  

25:04the US government if you continue this and who’s  going to pay the bills and feed the feed the kids  

25:10she didn’t say that she said to me you have to  quit your job it was that easy for her um it  

25:18became spiritual for her even she felt a calling  and a responsibility that she might have to reckon  

25:24with one day when she meets her maker and I knew  that she felt that way when she told me this in  

25:31the crucial moment of decision about two days  before I ended up turning my badge and gun over  

25:37and and went private she said to me I will not let  you jeopardize my salvation by not doing this and  

25:47when she said those words and I knew she meant  those words that changed everything for me and   we jumped into really just an irrational Act of  service I might call it because it wasn’t rational  

25:59in many in many ways but ultimately it ended in  the operation UC depicted in the film which shows  

26:0654 children uh some uh some adult young young  adult women were in that group as well rescued  

26:12on that island but what the movie doesn’t uh have  the time to report is that in actuality was 120  

26:19um there was two other locations being taken down  at the same time and there’s a documentary that’s   going to follow uh in in the wake of sound of  Freedom called triple take Angel Studios will  

26:28put it out uh documenting the entire story and so  in the end it was successful and we were able to  

26:33build upon that success and I founded operation  Underground Railroad I run another Foundation  

26:39that was founded by Glenn Beck called the Nazarene  fund and we’re doing these kind of operations all   over the world today so how let’s go back in  time to before you worked as a security agent  How Tim Ballard became a Special Agent

26:51for the homelands homeless or an agent for the  homeland security investigations unit how did  

26:58you how were you trained to do that like what was  your background before you became employed as an  

27:03agent and what was it about you that made you  capable of engaging in this sort of operation  

27:10so I I I got a graduate degree in um International  politics and I always wanted to be in federal law  

27:17enforcement my first job was CIA I was there  doing 911 um working in the operations center  

27:22in the wake of 9 11. I found out that I studied  terrorism and weapons of mass destruction uh that  

27:28was the the actually the degree I got at the  Monterey Institute of international studies   um and so um it was an easy recruit into the  CIA because you know 911 had just happened when  

27:40I found out that one of the terrorists Muhammad  attah had staged his attack from Mexicali Mexico  

27:46across the border and I speak Spanish I wanted  to go fight terrorism on the southern border so  

27:51I ended up jumping on the ship from CIA and  I joined the newly created Homeland Security   Department and it became a special agent for six  months I was tracking those kind of movements  

28:03uh you know not not human trafficking or child  exploitation but money guns terrorism six months  

28:10into that Endeavor I was called into the office  of a supervisor and they asked me if I would  

28:15please forgo everything that I wanted to do with  my career and help them start a child crimes unit   I do not know why they asked me uh one thing he  did say to me was you’re a young agent but you’re  

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30:01would to tell us to the degree that you can  what you were typically dealing with when you  

30:09started when you started working for the child  sex crimes unit let us know what you saw let us  

30:16know what you what that did to you because that  sort of thing that changes people’s conceptions   of humanity per se let’s say the nature of the  cosmos and what it means to be human right I mean  

30:28when you’re when you’re in contact with people  who are capable of that level of Darkness you  

30:33start to understand something about the nature  of the human soul that you can’t understand any   other way and that can be a I mean that’s the  sort of thing that gives people post traumatic  

30:41stress disorder when they’re soldiers so and and  now you said also your supervisors had an inkling  

30:46that you might be protected against that at least  to some degree because of your faith so let’s walk  

30:51through what you learned and encountered first  what what did you see when you were working as  

30:57part of this child sex crimes unit what I saw was  so shocking Jordan uh I thought child sex crimes  

31:04would be 15 year olds 16 year olds uh my brain  couldn’t comprehend something more evil than  

31:12abusing that age the very first case I worked in  2002 I believe I was given a bunch of VHS videos  

31:20some hard drives to look at that had been seized  in a warrant the very first image I saw um were um

31:32there were three uh three little boys ah  that were probably seven five and three  

31:41and they looked uh like they looked like my  children they had you know they had blonde  

31:47blonde eye blonde hair blue eyes and they  were being just raped raped these three   little boys by this pedophile and I was  so shocked I fell to my knees I dry heaved  

31:58thinking I was going to throw up into the  waste basket I jumped into my car I drove   to my children’s School my three oldest kids I  checked them out I still remember in my mind I  

32:09can still see dentist dentist appointment I wrote  and I grabbed them I took them home and just  

32:14sobbed on the floor my wife came in and I just I  wouldn’t let the kids go just holding them shaking  

32:20um that was my very first experience uh you talked  about PTSD I absolutely deal with PTSD to this day  

32:28um I I took too long to actually deal with it  uh that’s another story um and I thought I can’t  

32:34I can’t do this I can’t do this um I started  getting help immediately uh because I didn’t  

32:39want to quit and uh that that’s that’s what this  is that’s what this is and those kind of videos  

32:47have increased over the last couple years by  five thousand percent yeah well in in Canada  

32:56um we just had a report from an organization  called the Western Standard that one million child  

33:02sexual exploitation photos and videos have been  identified in an Alberta child porn investigation  

33:09one million photos eight arrests made okay so  that’s some indication of the widespread nature  

33:16of the problem now you said that when you first  encountered this material it made you physically  Tragedy and malevolence, the need for a moral narrative

33:22ill and also terrified for the safety of your  children but then also it necessitated you seeking  

33:30um health I suppose or Aid I mean I’ve worked  with people who’ve had post-traumatic stress  

33:36disorder generally what happens is that tragedy is  not enough to give someone post-traumatic stress  

33:41disorder even if it’s rather severe it has to be  a combination of tragedy and malevolence and the  

33:48real trauma comes as a consequence of contact  with evil with malevolence and what people  

33:55generally have to do in order to recover  from that is to develop a rather profound  

34:01philosophy of evil and you know a religious  faith in in its most fundamental Essence is a  

34:07philosophy of Good and Evil it it does detail  out the Heart of Darkness among human beings  

34:15point out to people this is particularly although  you not not uniquely true of the Christian  

34:20tradition but particularly true that that capacity  for evil lurks in the heart of everyone and that  

34:26are fundamental moral obligation as we Soldier  and here on Earth is to overcome that proclivity  

34:33within and also to stand up against it in the  external world and so you said you received  

34:40some Aid after you had been exposed to this first  set of videos um what what is it about the way you  

34:48looked at the world that had to change in order  for you to adapt to what you were encountering  

34:53well I had to come to grips with the the an idea  that I had never been confronted with before that  

35:00there are people and not a few but millions  of people only millions of of pedophiles could  

35:06justify a demand of millions of child exploitation  uh material videos and so forth uh the first  

35:15person you see arrested in the movie is a real  person named ursulchinski in sound of Freedom he   had over 2 million pieces of child rape material  in his house so um to to be confronted with the  

35:29reality that there are people on this planet and  like like I said not a few but but Millions who  

35:35want to indulge in watching five-year-old children  be raped and sexually assaulted in ways that and  

35:43I’m sorry to be so raw but I feel comfortable  with you Dr Peterson but uh to to to watch  

35:49children’s bodies actually break in the act  of sexual assault acts that your mind couldn’t  

35:56conjure up if you tried to conjure it up and  that it’s real that is so shocking to the system  

36:04um it changes your life forever I I tell  people if I feel like I’ve had a million  

36:10holes burned into my brain because I’ve watched  thousands of hours of that kind of material not  

36:16only not only watch it and I love the scene  that Jim depicts where he’s it’s that’s very   real I I break I can’t watch I can’t watch  the movie but the movie’s very good the  

36:24movie doesn’t show any of this by the way it  doesn’t show anything like this I don’t want   people to run away and be scared but you  see the scene where the the camera flashes  

36:33um a close-up into Jim’s eyes and that’s that was  me for for 10 years not only watching but writing  

36:40writing it in details for the court to see for  the prosecutors to see and and raising children  

36:47at the same time that are the very same age and  fortunately or unfortunately for me I have now I  

36:53have nine children that at the time I I left the  government at six and so I can always identify  

36:59the age of a child with one of my own children  and my mind was almost automatically doing is  

37:05I would superimpose my own children’s faces and  persons onto these children and that’s that led to  

37:13um that led to the PTSD I’ll be honest um and  almost a paranoia about what would happen to my  

37:19children and watching my children and I’ve come a  long ways and and I’m I’m able to deal with it but  

37:25I I I I was determined never to quit and so I just  sought more help and I I won’t quit so okay so Tim  Cain and Able, the two pathways to adaptation

37:33I’m I’m gonna walk you through what I know about  how people turn into the sort of pedophile that  

37:42you find so you and everyone else I suppose  or virtually everyone else finds so mysterious  

37:49so I’m going to refer first to the story of Cain  and Abel because it actually puts its finger on  

37:54the process in a stunning manner so what happens  in that story is that two different Pathways to  

38:02adaptation are detailed out and they become the  Cardinal Pathways of adaptation that characterize  

38:09the whole human race immersed as it is from that  point onward in history instead of in the Garden  

38:15of Eden and one is the pathway of Cain and the  other is the pathway of Abel now Abel makes high  

38:22quality sacrifices he’s all in right he puts  himself on the line and he does the real thing  

38:28and as a consequence God finds God uh finds  he finds favor with God and His sacrifices  

38:36are rewarded he does well and everyone loves  him and he thrives and Cain his sacrifices are  

38:43not of the same quality he tries to cut the  corners and to and to pull the wool over his  

38:48eyes and and God’s eyes and everyone else’s eyes  and as a consequence his sacrifices are rejected  

38:55and instead of clueing the hell in and waking  up and taking responsibility for his failure  

39:01he decides that he’s going to call out God for  creating a cosmos that’s cosmically unfair and  

39:08unjust and the evidence for that is Kane’s  failure and Abel’s success and so he has a  

39:15little chat with God and he basically calls  him out and says you know I’m breaking myself   in half here and nothing’s going my way and  Abel gets everything he wants and you know  

39:25how dare you make a cosmos so radically unjust  and improper and why don’t you just straighten  

39:31yourself out and God says if you did well  you would be rewarded for it and you should  

39:37look to yourself and then he says something  even worse and this is very subtle because  

39:42um it’s complicated to understand it unless you  look at multiple translations or potentially the  

39:47original Hebrew which I can’t read but I read  the multiple translations God says to Cain  

39:54the spirit of sin crouches at your doorstep  like a sexually aroused predatory animal  

40:02and you have invited it in to have its way with  you and so now if you study the development of the  Psychology of pedophilia, progressing the fantasy

40:12fantasies of very very dark people you see that  they brewed and fantasize in isolation for years  

40:21and the fantasies get darker and darker and darker  so they’re bitter and resentful to begin with  

40:28and then they start fantasizing about well  what they would want that can take a sexual   end or it can take a very violent and or it can  take both and what they’re really after is the  

40:38ultimate in Revenge and on the sexual front they  find a kick in extending the what would you call  

40:45it unacceptability of the fantasy one stage at a  time um the the famous and extremely attractive  

40:54sexual serial killer what was his name he’s  a famous photograph of him like this very  

41:01attractive man do you remember his dad Bundy  Ted Bundy Ted Bundy detailed out exactly how  

41:08his fantasies progressed as he became more and  more involved with pornography and what happens   in some sense is that these people who are nursing  these terrible fantasies want to stay on the edge  

41:18of novelty and so their fantasies get darker and  darker and darker as they progress down that road  

41:24and so after a thousand such micro progressions  they end up in exactly the sort of pit that  

41:29you’re describing and some of that is pure sexual  kick because of the novelty and but it’s got this  

41:35sadistic and perverse uh vengeful twist and you  could think about it this way you know I think  

41:41it says in the gospels that you know it would be  better that that a most Millstone was hung around  

41:46your neck and that you were cast into the abyss  than to do harm to any of God God’s children let’s  

41:51say and the that’s actually where the perverse  Delight comes because the most egregious possible  

41:59sin let’s say is the violent sexual abuse of the  most innocent possible person and the perverse  

42:05novelty kick is highest at exactly that point and  then that just goes from bad to worse and there’s  

42:10a thousand or even ten thousand micro decisions  that go along with that there’s also a great book   called Ordinary men this is well worth reading  although it’s a bloody catastrophe to read I’ll  

42:20tell you it details out how a group of German  policemen who were moved to Poland during World  

42:28War II were transformed from ordinary middle class  working class or sorry ordinary working class men  

42:37um old enough to not have been raised under the  Nazi regime by the way and so not propagandized  

42:43into a kind of mindless obedience how they went  from being perfectly ordinary policemen to the  

42:50sort of people who could take naked pregnant women  out into the middle of the field and shoot them in   the back of the head and it isn’t like they had  an easy time with that some of them reported the  

42:58same sort of thing that you reported when you  first watched that video they would they what   they were being called upon to do stage by stage  made them physically ill and they had a commander  

43:08who actually had told them that they could leave  the service if they didn’t want to continue with  

43:14their duties but they felt Duty bound not to lead  leave their comrades having to mop up the terrible  

43:19situation but it does a lovely job of detailing  out how your movement from normality to Absolute  

43:26perversity is a consequence of ten thousand micro  um what would you say micro violations of your own  

43:34conscience not all of the micro obviously so you  know you need to know about the vengefulness you  

43:40need to know about the kick of sadism that’s that  novelty kick that produces a dopaminergic kick  

43:45that heightens sexual satisfaction and so there’s  an there’s an element of sadistic misery that can  

43:53add novelty to sex that’s particularly attractive  to people who are bitter and resentful because  

43:58they actually can’t find any willing sexual  partners and so they’re angry at the world   and shake their fist to God because of it and so  anyways that’s a bit of the developmental course  

44:08of such of such a lovely descent into hell and and  the interesting thing about it is that people Brew  

44:14Day like you don’t get to the point where you’re  watching pornographic videos of children being  

44:19raped without hundreds or even thousands of hours  of increasingly demented voluntary fantasy and  The face of evil is not always obvious

44:26that’s that allowing the spirit of sin that would  otherwise crouch on your doorstep to enter your  

44:33house and have its way with you right it’s like  a collaborative Venture with Satan himself that’s  

44:38the most straightforward way of describing it and  so well so that’s I don’t know what you have to  

44:44say about that but I’ll let you have at her I’ll  say this that everything you’re saying absolutely   he resonates with my anecdotal experiences dealing  with these people I look into their eyes and what  

44:55you’re describing is what I see though I’ve never  been able to articulate it like you just have  

45:01so I appreciate being armed with with um with an  understanding that it will help me uh evangelize  

45:08more clearly to others about the dangers of  of over stimulation and overview support of  

45:15pornography and and shaking hands with the devil  so thank you for that that was very insightful  

45:20so I I spent a bit of time um not a lot but  a bit of time inside a maxim security prison  

45:27when I was a kid I worked with a very strange  psychologist that was there and one of the   things that really shocked me and I I think this  shocked me enough to change my whole life was  

45:36I I met these I met this one prisoner who was a  pretty non-descript looking character he took me  

45:42for a walk out in the yard away from a gym full  of like weight lifting Ax Murderer monsters and  

45:48rapists and we went for a walk out in the yard  and the psychologist called us back and told me  

45:54later in the office that this guy who’s about  five two pretty non-pre-possessing guy had uh  

46:01made two policemen Neil in front of him begged  for their lives in reference to their families  

46:09and then shot them both in the back of the head  and and kicked them aside and the shocking thing  

46:15to me was you know you kind of think that if you  met pure evil it would it would have a monstrous  

46:23form and you know the thing that shocked me about  that was the non-descript nature of this guy you  

46:29know his his absolutely banal ordinariness  the fact that you could just walk past him   on the street you’d never know he wasn’t some  monster you know the Monstrous character of  

46:38Satan in your imagination is you know a figure  that’s terrifying to behold instead of someone  

46:44normal you know what I mean normally in that  cringing sense these people that you’ve interacted  

46:50with like what’s your what’s your reaction to them  when you talk to them the pedophiles when you talk  

46:56to them and when you arrest them my experience  is very similar to what you just described very  

47:01nondescript people of all walks of life we’ve  we’ve we’ve arrested and I’ve interrogated  

47:07um Educators uh lawyers law enforcement clergyman  um and and uh sitting across from them there’s but  

47:16with no apparent physicality that would tell you  who they are but I will say this when they start  

47:21talking and I look into their eyes that’s when  I can I sense something that that really scares  

47:29the hell out of me um and the way they talk  about children when they get there and it’s  

47:36it’s something that they’ve been able to normalize  and they’re speaking to me about children almost  

47:42like they’re talking about you know the weather or  you know talking about buying and selling children  

47:48like you talk about buying and selling computer  parts or an automobile or something and that’s  

47:53where I thought you something has taken over  you something non-human has made you less human  

48:00um and I’ve never been able to figure it  out uh only that it creeps me out and and  

48:06um and I usually end up getting them to confess  because they have brought themselves to a place   where they think they’re okay they think that  it’s somehow normal I don’t know if that makes  

48:16sense how do they do Dr Peterson well well the  the degree of rationalization that has to with  

48:23each with each step forward in the progress of  the fantasy there has to be a step forward in the  

48:29self-deception with regards to self-description  right so imagine that you’re you’re attempting to  

48:36cling to a sense of yourself at least as normal  but even maybe as a moral agent I mean the the  

48:42more forthright pedophiles claim that they’re  only allowing children to express their true  

48:48sexual desires and that what they’re actually  doing is forming the best relationship with the   children that they’ve ever had now of course  there’s part of them that knows that that’s  

48:55an absolutely bloody screaming hellish lie but  you get to that lie like I said with a thousand  

49:02micro lies right and you’re modifying your  self-conception along the way I mean have you  How the monsters justify themselves

49:08had these people justify themselves to you and  if so by what means do they attempt to do that  

49:15so one person that comes to mind absolutely the  answer is yes and one person that comes to mind is   the person depicted in the film oshensky uh this  person had written uh articles self-published of  

49:27course he had a book that he actually sold  on Amazon and his understanding or his his  

49:32justification was that the puritanical Society  of this country has crushed the true uh and and  

49:41and beautiful and righteous uh sexual experience  uh which the most natural would be between a man  

49:48and a child a prepubescent child a prepubescent  child is is is the is the most beautiful form of  

49:56humanity and um and why why take that away from a  child’s children would be well uh conditioned to  

50:04to to confront the challenges of life if only they  could experience orgasmic pleasure even in their  

50:10prepubescence um this is how they talk right right  and right yeah well that you saw because of that  

50:16there was attempts made in the 1970s by French  intellectuals surprise surprise to have the age of  

50:23consent reduce radically and that was always the  rationale it was an extension of the patriarchal  

50:28oppression theory in some sense right that all  sexual expression is essentially pure and good  

50:34in its most fundamental form and it’s all warped  by social pressure and if we were just allowed to  

50:39express ourselves in every manner that we saw fit  that everyone would be free and we wouldn’t suffer  

50:45any more from the constraints of of tyrannical  Society right and it’s just convenient for the  

50:50bloody pedophiles that that happens to justify  them doing whatever they the hell they want to   children who are obviously too young to consent  right so he is a good example I forgot about that  

51:00in the book Jim let me ask you so now you didn’t  have to go through the same things that Tim did  How Jim studied for the role, the Unabomber

51:06and you obviously weren’t subject to the same  kind of exposure but you had to play this role  

51:12and you had to act out in your imagination  the darkness that characterized the people  

51:19who played your enemies let’s say on the screen  what were the consequences for you of having to  

51:26delve even on the fictional landscape into this  entire uh what would you say underworld domain  

51:34well let’s um start with your story  initially when you brought up Cain and Abel  

51:41um in my years of working with agents like  Tim and I actually worked with other agents  

51:48because Tim was very busy doing Missions at the  time and I got to go in to a lot of his world I  

51:54mean those are the guys that I play so I don’t  imitate other actors I go and meet these guys  

52:01and really learn and study what they do Cain  and Abel for example able is doing good things  

52:09for God how would Cain hurt God by killing Abel  by wounding him when I go and play for example  

52:20a serial killer or a man that you mentioned  earlier Ted Bundy who my friend uh broke that  

52:28case and found out who he was Mike tando so  you’re the Beast that comes in you he he he  

52:39um comes in and he um deceives you and and  starts with the ego and the whole thing  

52:46and then eventually the turn is is how that you’re  eventually not fair on non-servient uh becomes  

52:56um one who how can I wound God the most by killing  the most innocent child and it wounds God in the  

53:03greatest way when you take these innocent children  who’ve done nothing and have no sin and these guys  

53:12um uh um have the attitude which you were  mentioning earlier all the cutting of the corners  

53:19and whatnot and ultimately they um can kill the  most innocent and effectively wounds God’s heart  

53:30the most um I spent a great deal time I did this  movie uh Deja Vu and I played it uh Unabomber and  

53:41I was on the phone with um um a friend a friend  of mine who broke the case and uh on Ted Bundy  

53:50and I talked to him a lot about uh serial killers  and then um I got to look at the um with the FBI  

53:57and the ATF gave me uh through Jerry Bruckheimer  and Tony Scott I got all these videos to look at  

54:05and the the um we I was looking at unabomers  uh guys that um blow things up and um an actual  

54:14serial killers but it was written more like a Ted  Bundy um and not a a man who is writing Destiny  

54:23and all of these things that he’d exchanged his  life to take out um whoever they want to take  

54:30out and but the the but the voice was very  similar and so I don’t go to Satan to play

54:39in this particular um Story I played this this  guy this um bomber and I don’t go to the devil  You don’t go to the devil to play the devil

54:52to play the devil I think make many actors  make that mistake go to God to tell you who  

54:58the devil is that’s what I do and it also gives  me a protection what’s the difference what’s the  

55:06difference Jim like because that also Bears  on how you protect yourself from such things  

55:12um the difference and are you saying um the  difference in the the difference is is that I  

55:20play the truth so if you go and play go to the  devil to play the devil the devil will deceive  

55:26you and put something up there that uh deceives  the public he’ll always try to hide in the shadow  

55:31he’ll always try because he doesn’t like the light  even though he’s called the light the Illuminator  

55:37um the Lucifer um and he tries to mimic God  he tries to be like God so there’s always like  

55:46um if God has love and what we see is  love he creates lust he’s always trying  

55:52to be like that it’s like uh Kane trying  to rip off Abel cutting the corners and  

55:59um so committing to well there’s a tendency even  in Milton’s uh in in in Milton’s Paradise Lost  Milton’s Satan, characterizing evil

56:07there’s been two readings of that forever and  one of them is that Milton’s Satan is um an  

56:16anti-hero of the most profound sort really the  embodiment of evil and the other reading is that  

56:23um Milton Satan is a a disguised hero and  the Eternal what would you say the Eternal  

56:31rebel against established order and someone to  emulate in consequence and that Milton somehow  

56:38knew that and was coding that not precisely  secretly but subtly and I think that’s a huge  

56:44mistake I mean I’ve familiarized myself with  Paradise Lost and I think that Milton was an   extraordinarily subtle writer in that he got  everything as right as anyone ever has but the  

56:54reason I’m bringing that up is because so this is  okay this is a complicated thing to untangle but  

57:01one of the things you see in Hollywood portrayals  of villains you saw this in the Silence of the  

57:07Lambs you see it frequently in Mafia portrayals  is that the villain is inadvertently or even  

57:13sometimes purposefully glorified and it’s  partly because he’s a rule breaker and and  

57:18has the attraction that goes along with that  but I also wonder too if it’s it has something  

57:24to do with what you were describing is that  the writers and the actors find themselves  

57:30when they’re trying to portray evil pulled  towards falseness in that representation as part  

57:38of the proclivity of evil to hide itself and the  danger in that is twofold and one is the danger  

57:46of deceiving the public as to the true nature of  evil because there’s nothing heroic about it quite   the contrary and the second danger I wonder  about you know there’s all this speculation  

57:55about Heath Ledger and the consequences that  for him of having played the Joker in such a  

58:01dark Manner and you know I don’t know what to make  of that although I do think there is some danger   in having to Journey down a path of emulating  evil in order to represent it now you said that  

58:12you turned to God so to speak to protect yourself  against false representations of evil but also in  

58:19some ways to Shield yourself and it sounds to me  reminiscent of what Tim’s uh superiors mentioned  

58:25to him when they said to him that his faith  might protect him from this question what was  

58:31okay go ahead man this is the best  interview I’ve ever had in my life I  Truth and good through scripture

58:36love your line of questioning and um  getting to what what is real my job  

58:43uh is to give what I know to be absolutely certain  and real I hooked into Tim has a childlike quality  

58:53to him and I stay with that innocence and that and  don’t take that innocence’s weakness or uh and uh  

59:01so when I read the scripture I I feel  truth good evil and I find the good  

59:11and let that just pierce the darkness and it has  to pierce and I know what that light is and I know  

59:19that deception that when I start hearing about  for example in your life when you there’s two  

59:25masters here one is from the evil Wicked side  but he comes in through your ego and the other  

59:31one is the light side that tells you might what  you might not want to hear but you ought to hear   and it’s not manipulative it’s truth so I I go to  that side then I pray then I go through it like  The Shroud of Turin

59:43The Passion of the Christ I looked at the Shroud  of Turin and there were two men Christian Tinsley  

59:50and Keith vanderlin who are experts in makeup and  the first both of these men were agnostic and they  

59:58looked at the Shroud that Mel Gibson presented  to them and one particular way the way it is  

1:00:05uh through the negative however they were able to  show it you can see the track lines of Jesus you  

1:00:12can see the the the actual um bamboo sticks that  they used to to initially hit him and then you  

1:00:19see the cat of nine tails the track lines they  look like the Grand Canyon in your skin and it  

1:00:25shocked them now these guys look at everything  from decapitations murders and everything  

1:00:32prior to this I did a movie a long time ago in New  York and I was with homicide and I got to see the  The black holes that actors enter for their work

1:00:39contortion of a face when someone gets murdered  and it’s hard to watch but when you start going  

1:00:45into this which is children there is something  that I can’t even fathom even with the protection  

1:00:52of almighty God because it took me two years  to get over this two years in the a friend of  

1:00:58mine Debbie came into the room and at around three  o’clock in the middle of the night she I was in a  

1:01:05chair and she heard me just weeping now I would go  into these black holes and I have no idea I don’t  

1:01:11remember it but this was all of the screaming  that I had to hear I didn’t want to hear it but  

1:01:17I had to hear it and then I was able to transform  that into the movie that you just saw when I took  

1:01:24asked Alejandro monteverdi to move to our DP to  take it and show him my eyeball so you would see  

1:01:31a 20-foot eye to see what Tim goes through to rip  his heart out now it’s not like uh this is what I  

1:01:38want to experience any more than I want to get on  a cross and have uh my heart broken I went through  

1:01:46hypothermia I had to have open heart surgery I was  electrocuted struck by lightning I understand the  

1:01:54the the necessity of what I was going to have  to go through could help bring people back to  

1:02:00God to wake them up and quite frankly more people  now Jordan are more afraid of the devil than they  More people are afraid of the Devil then they are of God

1:02:07are of God because they want a happy Jesus and  the problem is is that eventually Jordan we all  

1:02:14are going to die eventually that that is going  to happen but people the the power of the devil  

1:02:20deceives to say no no you’re going to be around  for a long long time and and they never wake up   and eventually there’s a judgment and then you  have to decide or God decides not how you want  

1:02:32to see yourself anymore but how God sees you and  how God sees you is who you really are and so  

1:02:38that’s how I I chose to to go at this particular  case I had no choice but to go in and I hear the  

1:02:46screams in my heart I hear the screams because of  the agents that I got to work with got to show me  

1:02:52things and they one particular time he says are  you sure you want to go further but I was weeping  

1:02:57so hard I said this is what Tim goes through this  is what I got I got to see it in order to go into  

1:03:02there there to to take people to a level of will  you do something will you do something at some  

1:03:10point it ends for all of us and so the pain in my  heart is much better than the pain in the future  

1:03:18and if I have to see that to save my children to  motivate me to save my niece to tell my sister no  

1:03:26walking home at 13 years old from school is not a  good choice not a good choice my sister says to me  

1:03:33no I want my sister my daughter excuse me to have  the same kind of experience I have and I said no  

1:03:40not until this changes you need to understand  so and my sister is a good great mother but she  

1:03:47wasn’t aware because the media that’s supposed  to do a good job to tell the truth well they’re  

1:03:52going into that direction which is let’s kind of  twist it and change it and not talk about it or  

1:03:58the three letter agencies that aren’t telling the  truth go ahead Jordan how has this changed you how  

1:04:04is how is experiencing that material and having  to play it out changed you I I I’d give my life  

1:04:11and a heartbeat changed me I’m less concerned  about myself than I am about hurting I I will tell  

1:04:20you this right now I would absolutely die if this  If This Were to change the world and get rid of  

1:04:29trafficking and pornography and all of the eight  arms of this octopus that has to be destroyed the  

1:04:36only way you can destroy is take the head out if  that hit I’d give my life for it in a heartbeat   Tim let me ask you a question Jim referred to  this is an awkward question I don’t know how to  To become as a child, innocence in the face of evil

1:04:46progress with it exactly right but he said that he  tried to play you with a certain kind of innocence   and you know there’s a gospel line and the line  is unless you become as a little child you will  

1:04:57in no way enter the kingdom of heaven and it’s  a very very subtle line because it doesn’t say  

1:05:03unless you stay as a child right it says unless  you become as a child and and that’s a very  

1:05:11it’s a very paradoxical injunction and  it means something like this it means  

1:05:16if you ReDiscover the innocence and  humility and capacity for play and wonder  

1:05:24and open ended trust that you had as a child but  you still have all the wisdom that you have as an  

1:05:32adult after having seen the world then you have  entered into you might say a new domain and a  

1:05:39more elevated form of being and Jim said that he  was struck when talking to you about uh it with  

1:05:47regard to this childlike innocence that he saw  on you which is very peculiar thing to observe  

1:05:53in someone who’s had to expose himself to all the  terrible things that you’ve encountered and so  

1:05:59I don’t I don’t have a more fully developed  question than that I I guess I just like  

1:06:04your response to that set of observations I do  think I think I know what Jim’s talking about um

1:06:13when we’re doing operations as you see depicted in  sound of Freedom it’s some crazy stuff we’re going  

1:06:19into crazy places we’re talking to uh monsters  and demons and if I were to apply all the things  

1:06:26I I know the things that take me down the images  of children um I could be jaded and and less less  

1:06:33innocent um I think this might go back to the the  the the the the boss who asked me to start this  

1:06:39work back in 2002 by saying that we think you can  handle this because of your faith so when I I do  

1:06:46try to be a child like childlike when it comes  to my relationship with with God and there’s a  

1:06:53scripture that I repeat in my head constantly as  I am going into these dark places and that’s where  

1:07:00I become like a child through that recitation and  my relationship with God or even more particularly   with Jesus um because it’s Jesus who says the line  and you’ve already quoted it Jordan uh better than  

1:07:11a millstone be placed around your neck and you  toss through the bottom of the seed and that you   should hurt one of these little ones um that’s so  powerful to me because it’s it’s so it it allows  

1:07:23me to read to read reduce everything to just an  innocent I hope childlike relationship with With  

1:07:31My Savior with my god um because I know where he  stands on this and I might not know everything  

1:07:36and I don’t know how this is going to resolve in  my head I don’t know how I’m going to heal the   millions of of holes burned into my brain but I  do know that if I subject myself completely to to  

1:07:46an understanding and a testimony that that Jesus  believes something he gets mafioso this is cement  

1:07:54shoes kind of talk uh it’s not it’s not it’s not  flipping tables outside the temple I mean he’s  

1:07:59talking about violence he’s speaking violence  but it’s it’s righteous and that’s where he  

1:08:04stands on children being abused and that’s where  I find so there’s a there’s another idea there’s  

1:08:10another idea that lurks in the passion account  hey that that’s really quite stunning and horrible  The Passion is an archetypal story, decent and rebirth

1:08:17so the the passion story is an archetypal  tragedy and the reason for that is that  

1:08:25a tragedy is when something terrible happens  to someone but uh a more profound tragedy is  

1:08:31when the worst possible thing happens to the  least deserving person and so that’s the passion  

1:08:37story in some ways in a nutshell right you have  a man who by Universal admission even on the part  

1:08:44of his enemies is at minimum a very good man who  undergoes the worst possible sequence of betrayal  

1:08:52and Punishment and so that’s the story of the  tragedy of human life writ large but there’s more  

1:08:58to it than that because there’s a mythological  insistence along with that that Christ was not  

1:09:03only crucified but that he had to descend into  the depths of Hell itself and Harrow it and what  

1:09:10that means to me psychologically speaking let’s  say is that you’re called upon before rebirth  

1:09:17that’s a good way of thinking about it to not only  bear the brunt of the tragedy of existence but  

1:09:23to face malevolence head on right to go into  the deepest and darkest possible places and  

1:09:31what what do you say it’s it’s and and well  redeeming them to the degree that that’s possible  

1:09:38simultaneously redeem yourself and so the  notion there is that the brightest possible  

1:09:43light is only possible through the descent into  the darkest possible realm of of Blackness and  

1:09:50that actually goes beyond death into malevolence  itself now Jim said you know because you might  

1:09:56say well there’s nothing that you should be  more afraid of than death but Jim said you   know he’s appalled enough about the existence of  malevolence that he would be willing to give his  

1:10:05life to eradicate it and so that obviously  means that for Jim malevolence itself is a  

1:10:12more terrifying Specter than than mere death  or even mere suffering and then there is this  

1:10:17gospel notion that unless you’re willing to take  the weight of Hell onto yourself essentially um  

1:10:24voluntarily that you can’t go through that process  of descent and rebirth and that is associated in  

1:10:30the in the gospel accounts let’s say with that  rebirth into the spirit of childhood and so  When you face your maker, the paths you choose to take

1:10:38you you have done what you could to face  the ultimate reaches of Darkness itself  

1:10:48what has that done for you and then also you  made some very interesting comments about your  

1:10:53wife you know you said that in some ways you were  hoping she would tell you to you know be sensible  

1:10:58and come home but she didn’t she told you to  go put yourself on the line and there’s a huge   story there that’s touched on in the movie but  but not delved into in any to any great regard  

1:11:09um how has your encounter with the darkness that  you’ve seen made you a better person and and what  

1:11:17has that done with your relationship with your  wife I think it’s it’s made me a better person  

1:11:23because the the weight that you speak of  that that is on your back is unbearable  

1:11:29unless you can give it to some other power in this  case in my case to Jesus himself and that’s what  

1:11:38to subject myself completely and repeat his words  in my mind because I know where he stands on it  

1:11:43he’ll take it from me and I felt that I have  felt that in ways I can’t even articulate that  

1:11:49don’t make any sense on a scientific level I the  burden is lifted and that’s what gives me Clarity  

1:11:54and courage to do things I otherwise wouldn’t  dream of doing uh in order to help children and  

1:12:01it’s it’s a concept that my wife understands in  fact I’ll tell you this she it’s like she morphed  

1:12:07into some kind of a therapist in that moment after  she told me that her her salvation might be on the  

1:12:13line she’s much more advanced than I am in every  way and especially spiritually and she helped me  

1:12:18to see that uh very thing that give the burden  to to God and and then you can be but you have  

1:12:24to subject yourself like a child in order to do  that and recognize you can’t on your own do it   but she she ran me through this exercise don’t  know where she got it maybe it was a download  

1:12:33from heaven but she said do you see the two paths  you’re going on either you’re going to Colombia  

1:12:39and you do this operation and what does that look  like and and I said it looks horrifying it’s scary  

1:12:44it’s dark because there’s cobwebs I I mean I was  literally imagining this there’s there’s spiders   there’s evil things and she said what’s the other  path and I said well the other path is is light  

1:12:55um it’s you know I I can see at 50 I get to  retire and then I don’t have to you know I I’m   I’m paid a federal government salary my whole  life and benefits and that seems secure to me  

1:13:05and I that seems comfortable then she says close  your eyes and and you’re with your maker you’ve  

1:13:11passed through this life and you’re talking to  your maker and he has two questions for you one   could you have saved the kids and two did you  do it that’s your interview and she’s and and  

1:13:22I got it shocked me I thought oh that’s going to  be a bad interview uh if I don’t have the right  

1:13:28answer if I don’t make the right decision here  and then she says okay now go back to those two   paths what do you see and I’m telling you the the  cobwebs and creepy things we’re now on the path of  

1:13:39staying in my federal government comfortable job  I thought what might I lose what blessings might   not come and then she said what do you see down  the path of Colombia and she said I see I said I  

1:13:50see warmth I see I can’t see everything but that’s  the path I want and I think that’s what that means  

1:13:55is I will give it to God and do the right thing  and subject myself like a child I hope that made  

1:14:01sense well well you know look the reason that  people lie and the reason they remain silent  The reason people lie, and what happens when you tell the truth

1:14:12is because they think that things  will be easier for them and better  

1:14:17at least in the short term but the psychological  literature on this is pretty damn clear I think  

1:14:23I think clearer than any other element of The  Clinical Psychology literature which is that  

1:14:30you avoid things that stand in your way  that frighten you at your great peril  

1:14:35if you cower from them in silence or you turn away  seeking Security even or even sensible security  

1:14:44you violate the principle of your own strength  and if you violate the principle of your own  

1:14:49strength you become weak and if you’re weak  there is no security like if you’re weak and  

1:14:54you have a pension you’re weak with a pension all  that’ll mean is that you’ll live longer in Terror  

1:15:00that’s not helpful and the alternative and that  there’s also a an ethos in the biblical stories  

1:15:07in particular and it’s a very interesting ethos  it’s very much worth knowing and one is that  

1:15:13if you say the truth and and nothing else you’ll  have a immense Adventure as a consequence you  

1:15:22won’t know what’s going to happen to you and  you have to let go of your clinging to the  

1:15:27to the outcome you have to let go but the truth  will reveal the world the way it’s intended to  

1:15:35be revealed and the consequence for you will  be that you’ll have the adventure of your life  

1:15:40and the other part of that ethos is this and it  makes perfect sense to me I I can’t see how it  

1:15:45can be any other way which is that whatever makes  itself manifest as a consequence of the truth is  

1:15:53the best possible reality that could be manifest  even if you can’t see it and you know in my own  

1:15:58life I’ve been attacked many times by people who  were attempting to demolish my reputation and take  

1:16:04me out and that’s put my family at risk and many  times we’ve gone through this a lot and what we  

1:16:11have observed is that if we stick to our guns  and we say what we believe to be the case and   I say we because it’s a collaborative Enterprise  I’m always discussing things with my family that  

1:16:21there’s a period of intense discomfort and the but  the the in the aftermath of that and that’s often  

1:16:29several months or sometimes even several years  later things switch around and reverse in in a  

1:16:34manner that brings benefits that can’t even be  fathomed so so and it is a matter of Faith right  The price for truth, sacrificing security

1:16:41so the faith is something like this look are  you going to make your way through life with   silence and falsehoods are you going to make your  life your way through life with truth and there’s  

1:16:49going to be a price for the truth but your vision  showed you there was a price for the security too   right once once you allowed your imagination  to manifest itself you saw that the pathway of  

1:16:59security was actually the one that was covered  with spider webs demons and snakes and you know  

1:17:05I see that I saw that with faculty members at  the University over and over they would take   the so-called secure path forward and all they did  was violate the Integrity of their own Souls right  

1:17:16all that security is false and obviously your  wife for some reason it’s quite the miraculous   part of that story I would say that your wife  was behind you like that especially because you  

1:17:26said you had six kids at the time you know so how  do you think she knew this you said her faith is  

1:17:32more developed than yours and and that she knows  things you don’t but what was it about her life   did you think that enabled her to stand behind you  and this crazy Venture you went on when she had  

1:17:42every reason to make you mean you were the movie  says you were within what months of vesting your  

1:17:48pension how many 12 weeks something like that I I  don’t I don’t I can’t remember the exact time but  

1:17:54yeah that was the my accountant came to me and  showed me how much how many millions of dollars  

1:17:59this would amount to that I was walking away from  it was ridiculous I want to say 12 million dollars   or something a number I couldn’t even fathom but  you’re walking away from that and that really  

1:18:09tossed me and that’s the thing that led me to  mccatherine and said this is what we’d be walking  

1:18:14away from why does she have this thing um I it’s  a mystery to me I I can say this having having  

1:18:23given birth and raised six children I’ve watched  that process it’s there’s something I think that  

1:18:30happens to to women at least in the case of  my wife uh that um there’s some insight that  

1:18:36comes from that process and and and childbirth  and rearing a child that she’s had to rely on  

1:18:43God just to get through that process and then  have this little creature that you’re in charge   of I I think her relationship with God allowed  through motherhood allowed her to have insights  

1:18:55um that I didn’t have I think she came with  certain gifts as well that before this life  

1:19:01uh but whatever it was she saw immediately and  and on the spot was able to run me through that  

1:19:08exercise that really is consistent with with your  understanding of that process uh Dr Peterson so  

1:19:14um I don’t know she’s a miracle she’s a  miracle to me and none of this would have   happened without her well okay so you you quit  your job and you put your pension on the line and  When the new path clears, opportunity and reward

1:19:25your wife was not only fully on board with that  but perversely enough encouraged you to do so  

1:19:30how has it how has the financial support that  made your continued existence and also the  

1:19:38operations that you’ve undertaken how has that  manifested itself since like you you don’t have  

1:19:44your pension and the government behind you but  obviously you’ve gathered resources around you   personally and and practically  how tell me how that came about  

1:19:54well I’ll add this piece because I that was my big  concern and Catherine said to me and she believed  

1:20:00it this is all in that same conversation she  said I don’t care if we end up living in a tent  

1:20:05we will not go back to our maker instead we  didn’t try to help these children so that’s   so that helped ease my mind because I thought  well then okay if we lose our house uh now  

1:20:15the the the blessings did come uh you know  uh Glenn Beck was the person who actually  

1:20:21funded the rescue operation that you see  depicted in the film that very first one  

1:20:26um he got our he got us started put a huge amount  of faith and frankly risk in in in in doing that  

1:20:32um but that was going to get us only about six  to eight months before we would be in trouble   but what happened was the success happened the  peace that I felt in making the decision to go  

1:20:42was that New Path that I couldn’t see everything  but it felt right it felt good it felt Godly and  

1:20:48I knew it’d be okay and we’ve never had a worse  month in the month before we’ve only grown with  

1:20:54success spread success donations start coming  in Opportunities come in and frankly I think   I’ll be better off financially uh as I look  at my future than I would have been otherwise  

1:21:04right now you we we should just dwell on that  for a minute so we just we just won’t dwell on   how unlikely that is say so let’s let’s just go  through this so you make this crazy decision to  

1:21:14quit your job and to forgo your your pension even  though you’ve basically vested it and you’re well   into your career you’re to the point where in  principle you could have contemplated retiring  

1:21:22and sitting to drink my Ties on the beach in  the Caribbean which I wouldn’t recommend by   the way as a as a retirement plan and instead you  decide that and with your wife that you guys are  

1:21:32willing to you know risk living in a tent with  your kids but you’re going to do this come hell   or high water and the consequence of that is that  perversely enough you’re actually more financially  

1:21:42secure and you have more opportunities  than you would have otherwise had by a lot  

1:21:47right so that’s worth thinking about right  that’s really we’re thinking about because   you threw yourself all in which is what you’re  supposed to do and not only did that work on the  

1:21:56fight side because you have been able to rescue  these children and to continue this endeavor but   none of the things that you thought you  would lose you actually ended up losing  

1:22:06that’s correct and I and I I’m thinking of  the words you just said five minutes ago about   when you take on the challenges you you lose that  weakness that you otherwise would have I’d rather  

1:22:16I’d you know I I don’t want to be weak with with a  pension like you said I I was able to be stronger  

1:22:22and that strength is the thing that frankly  allowed me to expand my uh possibility of making  

1:22:28more income and and doing more things in fact  I often Journal um Jordan often when I have the  

1:22:34biggest challenges of my life that come and hit  in the face with this or that I I take note what   blessings came what good things came and sometimes  it’s ninety percent of the good things before me  

1:22:44sprung out of that horrific challenge that the  darts thrown at me whatever it was and so the  

1:22:50principle that you’re teaching really has played  out uh accurately in my life over and over again  

1:22:56yeah yeah yeah well I I think that’s well it makes  sense in some sense look I mean if we want to just  

1:23:02think about it practically I mean you’re going to  become stronger more confident more credible and a  

1:23:10better Communicator in precise proportion to the  burdens that you decide voluntarily to confront  

1:23:16and master like obviously because how could it  be any other way and then what that’s going to  

1:23:22mean is that when you go communicate with people  and you tell them what you’re doing they’re much  

1:23:27more likely to jump on board because you have the  Charisma that goes along with having the stories  

1:23:33to tell and those encounters to to relate and the  success you’ve generated and and so then people  

1:23:39are going to offer to help you’re not even going  to have to ask them and so let me let me ask you  Tony Robbins, connections that change the world

1:23:45about that you talked about Glenn Beck who else  has been instrumental in helping your operation  

1:23:51grow and providing you with support you mentioned  Tony Robbins as well and I’ve got to know Tony a   bit over the last last year or so I mean he’s an  absolutely remarkable person and I think he might  

1:24:01be the most charismatic person I’ve ever met which  is really saying something because I’ve met some   very charismatic people and he’s quite the monster  in the world and he’s done an awful lot of good  

1:24:10and and he’s obviously supporting he’s supporting  you as well and is on board with this project and  

1:24:16so how did that come about well Tony Robbins is  in fact uh the the single largest donor to to  

1:24:22our operation I’m super super close with him his  his wife as well Sage Beautiful People beautiful  

1:24:27souls uh it came about in the most amazing way  uh during one of his big Mastermind conferences  

1:24:34and a a Convention Center of some sort there was  a woman who raised her hand when Tony asks about  

1:24:40bucket list uh projects if you had an excess of  whatever what would you do with it she raised  

1:24:45her hand and said I’d support a group called  operation Underground Railroad Tony says what   is that three minutes later he says I’ll donate  I’ll match whatever someone gives me right now to  

1:24:54help rescue children and and and that’s where  the relationship was born he called me a few   days later and said is this real I said I felt it  was I said why don’t you come down to Haiti with  

1:25:04me we’re about to do an operation and you can  see how very real it is and he did and he saw   and that converted him to our cause so what’s on  your plate next what what where is this going as  Why Tim Ballard won’t be silenced, spiritual warfare

1:25:15far as you’re concerned and what sort of impact  what sort of impact have you had in sheer numbers  

1:25:22um why do you think you’re not going to get  taken out because it seems to me that you’re in a   situation where that’s you know of reasonable high  probability given who you’re dealing with and what  

1:25:31do you hope to accomplish over the next what do  you hope to accomplish over the next while and and   what can people do to help well so I’ve changed  quite a bit of how I look at the playing field of  

1:25:42human trafficking I can no longer do operations  I’ve been in the media too much especially with   this film I’ve turned a lot of my attention to  uh the fact that in what I call spiritual warfare  

1:25:51children are targeted like never before I was  uh I was on the Capitol Hill last week and this  

1:25:57congressman is telling me how do we wake people  up to the fact that all these unaccompanied minors   are being shoved into America and we don’t know  where they are and and I said well your problem  

1:26:05is you’re not connecting all the dots all the ways  in which children are being hurt not only these 85  

1:26:10000 missing children that are now on the belly of  of the largest potentially child sex Market in the  

1:26:16world um but at the same time that’s happening  you have groups trying to get rid of the name   pedophile and call them minor attracted persons at  the same time you’re you’re sexualizing children  

1:26:25giving them what I used to be able to arrest you  for giving children now teachers in California   and other states are giving this in the name of  of liberal liberating children’s sexually or sex  

1:26:35education and now a 13 year old can consent to  gender mutilation and inject them have themselves  

1:26:40injected with all sorts of chemicals that might  ruin their reproductive system well what are you   doing consent to do that equals consent eventually  to to sex with a 50 year old pedophile and so if  

1:26:52you you got to connect all these things and so I  I for the first time in my life Jordan I’m looking   at the United States of America and I’m saying  I’m saying look I used to think I might be out  

1:27:00of a job because we eradicated human trafficking  I am now thinking I might be out of a job because   the very laws that protect children and allow us  to go after their captors are being and will be  

1:27:10decaying and eroded with this crazy culture that  is taking children in the name of liberating them  

1:27:18and in fact is enslaving them so you know I  I interviewed this girl Chloe Cole who had  Chloe Cole

1:27:25a double mastectomy when she was 15 and who had  puberty blockers and went through the whole bloody  

1:27:32gamut of incompetent lying therapists and sadistic  butchering surgeons and they transformed her  

1:27:42sexually and then she talked to me about her  dating experiences in high school now you can   just imagine this you know it’s complicated  enough for a young man or a young woman in  

1:27:52high school to navigate the sexual Shoals let’s  say and establish a reasonable relationship or  

1:27:58even a reasonable sequence of relationships  if everything is roughly normal or something  

1:28:05approximating ideal but Chloe put herself way  out on the fringes having done what she did  

1:28:11and that made that took her out of the dating  pool in high school for her compatriots and so  

1:28:17she turned to online dating and you can imagine  the sort of people who attempted to pick her up  

1:28:25and she didn’t refer to that an awful lot in our  interview but she referred to it enough so that  

1:28:30I got a real flavor of the sort of people who uh  were more than perversely willing to strike up a  

1:28:37relationship with her often much older as you  pointed out and so you know that that freedom  

1:28:43that she was hypothetically offered that only  required the sacrifice of her breasts let’s say  

1:28:48uh the wounds of which by the way have never  completely healed so that’s perfectly goddamn  

1:28:54delightful and you know she talked about  her dissent into that perverse underworld   of of deviant sexual attraction and so uh yeah  there’s not a lot of freedom on that front Jim  The next chapter, sequels in the works

1:29:06um what are you up to next like you finished  this movie it’s going to open up on July 4th  

1:29:12um what what’s what’s next for you on the project  front and and also on the personal front in terms  

1:29:17of of your commitment to continuing the  work that you’re starting with this movie  

1:29:22well it goes to the next chapter um which  is on Haiti and that’s the next part of Tim  

1:29:30um when they went down and did this Haiti  Mission and this is a much better script   than the first one written by the same director  uh and Rod Barr Alejandro monteverdi wrote this  

1:29:42so I plan to do that film and um and then of  course I’m doing the resurrection of the Christ  

1:29:51with Mel Gibson so I think that’s going to be  I think for sure it’s one film but it might be  

1:29:57two films I think and when when so and what  do you see what do you foresee happening on  Fighting for theaters

1:30:03the uh on the theatrical release front I mean  I have the have the typical companies that are  

1:30:10involved in theatrical release in movies being  on board with the release of sound of Freedom  

1:30:16or have have you run into like enthusiastic  reception or resistance what’s happened on that  

1:30:21front well we had a lot of resistance it took  us four years to get where we’re at right now  

1:30:28um you know like The Passion of the Christ nobody  saw that as a of a financially feasible film same  

1:30:36thing with this who’s going to want to watch  a film about traffic children that’s why it   wasn’t about that it was it it points in that  direction but it’s really in the face of evil  

1:30:47can good still Triumph and that’s what this film  is so it’s quite inspirational you know well it  

1:30:56is a classic in many ways it is a classic action  adventure film I mean it’s based on a true story  

1:31:02but it’s got a very solid narrative driving line  I mean it’s not fundamentally making its Appeal  

1:31:09on the moral side I mean there is an appeal on  the moral side don’t get me wrong but that’s  

1:31:15not good enough for a movie like a movie has to  carry its own weight as an artistic Endeavor and   it has to be well plotted and well well acted  and or just degenerates into kind of moralistic  

1:31:25propaganda I don’t think this movie does that  at all I also didn’t think that the chosen did   that angel Studios other major production it never  degenerated into sentimental moralizing thank God  

1:31:36and give that but something like that’ll just flop  at the box office anyways and I certainly couldn’t   see any reason after having watched this movie not  to think that this could be a commercial success  

1:31:47I mean it’s a very exciting movie we’re selling  out right now where our biggest War right now  

1:31:55is to get more theaters the big studios control  those and the Distributors have to decide whether  

1:32:02or not and this happened on The Passion of the  Christ whether to go and go where the people are  

1:32:09um and so the people are calling in right now  to you know ask for these theaters they’re not  

1:32:15just going to angel.com I’ve known many people  that have gone in and literally bought out all   theaters uh to do this and so we’re hoping that  this continues because we won’t be able to serve  

1:32:28the public we just don’t have enough theaters  right now well that’s that’s a good problem to  

1:32:34have I would say and that should get also get you  the kind of publicity that should also further  

1:32:39distribution of the film and of course there’s  alternative routes now too I mean Matt Walsh had  

1:32:45tremendous success Distributing what is a woman  on Twitter I think they got 170 million views  

1:32:50and you know I don’t know how successful that  was commercially and of course that’s a problem   because Financial issues matter but there’s  definitely multiple venues now where a film  

1:33:00like this can be can be distributed and of course  Angel Studios had a hell of a success Distributing  

1:33:07what they produced on the on the chosen  front using rather unorthodox channels online  

1:33:12and we’re fortunate enough uh Jordan to get  Elon Musk he he actually tweeted out a couple  

1:33:18weeks ago with the trailer and opened up Twitter  as a free home for distribution um uh and that  

1:33:25and they’re gonna you’re gonna we’re gonna see a  Twitter release uh I think mid-july so that that  

1:33:31will be fun to see what happens there oh so that’s  already in play all right well all right well look  

1:33:37gentlemen we’re running out of time on the YouTube  front um as everybody watching and listening or at  

1:33:42least to some people watching and listening no I  do add another half an hour of interview on The   Daily wire plus side and so I think we’ll turn  our attention to that I’m gonna find out from  

1:33:51from Tim and Jim what developmental route they  took to the destination that they arrived at  

1:34:00um I haven’t done that with two people before but  I think that will be quite entertaining and so   um I’m interested in how people’s Destinies make  themselves manifest across time or you might say  

1:34:10how they’re calling uh makes itself uh makes its  appearance in their life because things do call to  

1:34:16people you know everybody has problems that beset  them that are their problems and everybody has  

1:34:21opportunities that back into them that are their  opportunities and that’s kind of a mysterious  

1:34:27what would you say Bargain and interplay  between the psyche and the world and uh I’m  

1:34:33endlessly curious about how that happens and  so we’re going to follow down that road as we   continue this conversation  on the daily word plus side  

1:34:41um by the way for those of you who are watching  and listening if you’re thinking about uh throwing  

1:34:47some support the daily wire plus way is probably  a good time to think about doing that because uh  

1:34:53they and I for that matter have been under a  fair bit of pressure from YouTube in the last  

1:34:58month I’ve had three of my interviews taken  down and I suspect there’s a couple on the in  

1:35:05the pipelines that are also going to raise the  hackles of the wrong people whoever the hell   they are lurking behind the scenes and so uh  yeah yeah well you never know right you can’t  

1:35:16tell what rules you broke and you can’t tell  who’s enforcing the censorship rules um which   is real really not good on any front so anyways  we’re going to turn our attention over there  

1:35:27um thank you to Jim Caviezel and Tim Bellard  for talking today uh I really enjoyed your film  

1:35:33I’m I’m looking forward to watching how the public  will receive it and and what the consequences will  

1:35:38be and wish you both luck in your future endeavors  and uh and yeah and Tim Mouse I will hook up hook  

1:35:46you up your wife up with my wife and it’d be real  interesting to have them talk about you know how  

1:35:51she saw what you were doing and and why she threw  her weight behind it because there’s quite a story   there as well as far as I can tell I’m very  much looking forward to watching that interview  

1:36:01all right gentlemen it was good to talk  to both of you and uh thank you everyone   watching and listening thanks for your  time and attention pay some attention  

1:36:09to this movie if you’re inclined you  bet guys you bet good to meet you both [Music]

Tim Ballard Answers O.U.R.’s Most CONTROVERSIAL Questions Transcript

Of course these are Tim Ballards chosen questions, so they are handpicked by him as to what he wants to focus on not what are the actual questions he should be answering. But a record is esssential.

[1] Tim Ballard Answers O.U.R.’s Most CONTROVERSIAL Questions

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2 Oct 2020 #OURRescue#TimBallard#EndHumanTrafficking We were able to get a few minutes with Founder & CEO Tim Ballard to answer the CONTROVERSIAL questions we receive. Statement on Tim Ballard New O.U.R. Paid Management Role Effective March 1, 2021, Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.) Founder Tim Ballard returned to an active operational management role as the organization’s president. Ballard will also serve as chairman of the O.U.R. board. Brad Damon remains O.U.R.’s Chief Executive Officer, a role he assumed in January 2021. As president, Ballard will be paid a salary and will no longer be serving as an unpaid volunteer. Ballard had served as an unpaid volunteer leader of O.U.R. for approximately two years beginning in April 2019. O.U.R.’s board is pleased with Tim’s willingness to accept this responsibility and to bring his attention and vision back more fully to the organization he founded. In addition to his paid management duties, Ballard will help run international rescue operations and assist law enforcement around the world to free children from sexual exploitation and trafficking.

Unfortunately, around 40 million people worldwide are trafficked and around 2 million of them are children who are trafficked into sex slavery. At O.U.R., it is our mission to save and care for children who are survivors of human trafficking and exploitation. Please join us in the fight to end modern-day slavery and abolish this atrocity once and for all. Check out these related videos: Truths About Trafficking – Q+A with Tim Ballard    • Truths About Traf…   Emotional Reunion Of Mother And Daughter After 25 Years – Real Human Trafficking Stories    • Emotional Reunion…  

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0:01 i love it these are awesome

0:03 okay let’s do this i’m ready i’ve been

0:05 wanting to answer that question so badly

0:07 like in a loud way so i’m excited

0:11 let’s do it man all your positive energy

0:15 we’re gonna answer the controversial

0:16 questions right now oh there’s some

0:18 there’s some big ones which one we’re

0:20 looking at

0:22 okay ready to go

0:25 hey guys tim ballard here founder and

0:27 ceo of operation underground railroad

0:29 today we’re doing a fun segment hot

0:31 topic questions these are controversial

0:33 questions

0:33 that some of you have been throwing our

0:35 way and i gotta tell you we’re only

0:37 excited to answer these questions the

0:40 sooner we answer these questions the

0:41 sooner we can all

0:42 join together and putting all of our

0:44 efforts downrange

0:45 into rescuing and rehabilitating more

0:48 children in need

0:49 so here we go some people have the Working Overseas

0:51 opinion that our shouldn’t be working

0:54 overseas so we do work overseas we work

0:58 we work at home as well as a special

1:00 agent working in the government

1:02 i was exposed to many leads overseas

1:06 that weren’t being worked that couldn’t

1:07 be worked because they fell outside the

1:09 jurisdiction

1:10 of the united states that’s why i

1:12 actually quit my job to start

1:13 operation underground railroad to help

1:15 law enforcement overseas

1:17 to rescue children and shortly

1:18 thereafter we came back and started

1:20 working also in the united states

1:22 our u.s donors and supporters should

1:25 know that when we go overseas

1:28 we are in fact working with law

1:30 enforcement to target

1:32 american pedophiles when they go

1:33 overseas as sex tourists

1:35 their inhibitions are down so we have a

1:38 better chance frankly of catching them

1:40 with our international foreign law

1:42 enforcement partners

1:44 and that in turn leads to rescuing

1:46 children and protecting children at home

1:47 the bottom line is with with human

1:49 trafficking and child exploitation there

1:51 are no borders and boundaries

1:52 and so we have to transcend that concept

1:54 as well Working With Other Organizations

1:55 so what is your response when people say

1:57 our is only a funnel to other

1:59 organizations that are

2:00 actually doing the work we

2:03 have many many partners this is not to

2:05 say that we

2:06 don’t also possess the expertise in the

2:08 field the full-time people

2:10 at our are former law enforcement who

2:14 have worked

2:15 these types of cases for decades

2:18 same with our after-care department same

2:21 with every part

2:22 and department of our however we also

2:25 are smart enough to understand

2:27 that there’s certain cultural

2:28 sensitivities in certain countries that

2:30 if we can find a partner

2:31 who can do certain things better than we

2:34 can do we’re not so proud that we’re not

2:36 going to recognize that

2:37 and then empower those groups to jointly

2:40 combat the problem the goal is to rescue

2:42 kids

2:43 and so we’re going to work in a way that

2:45 does that

2:47 effectively and as quickly and as safely

2:50 as possible

2:50 that means we partner with people it’s

2:53 the smart thing to do and that’s how we

2:54 do it How Many Survivors Do You Support

2:55 our claims to support over 6 000

2:58 survivors

2:59 how is that possible this is a

3:01 reasonable

3:02 question that we get often because we

3:05 have rescued

3:06 four thousand plus but we say that we

3:09 take care of

3:10 and and survivor cure over six thousand

3:13 well it’s a very easy explanation

3:14 when we go out and we do a rescue in a

3:17 country and let’s say we rescue 20 kids

3:19 and those 20 kids go to an aftercare

3:22 home

3:22 that we’re sponsoring for those kids and

3:24 there’s already a hundred kids

3:25 there we work to take care of everybody

3:29 at the aftercare homes that we support

3:31 that’s how we’re able to actually

3:33 provide services

3:35 for thousands of more survivors than we

3:38 actually

3:38 helped deliberate some people think it’s How Many Family Members Do You Have

3:41 an issue

3:42 that you have a lot of family okay wait

3:45 a minute i don’t have a lot of family

3:46 though that’s the problem

3:47 that you have family because i mean

3:49 seriously it’s like three people

3:52 yeah okay some people think it’s an How Many Employees Do You Have

3:55 issue that you have

3:56 family who have worked or are working

3:59 for our

4:00 it’s an interesting question because as

4:02 a percentage of of the entire employee

4:04 base it’s

4:04 very very tiny when i started our i

4:07 went to people who were willing to work

4:10 for me when i had nothing to really

4:11 provide them

4:12 and they came on board they sacrificed

4:15 they helped build

4:16 what ours today and i have no reason

4:20 to then let them go but to keep them and

4:24 together with our other employee base

4:26 and our

4:27 supporters and our donors to continue to

4:29 to grow

4:30 the successful thing that we all started

4:31 together some people have expressed What Are Your Thoughts About The Underground Railroad

4:33 concern that our’s name is inspired from

4:36 something that happened in black history

4:37 what are your thoughts about that the

4:40 underground railroad

4:41 was a name that i chose operation

4:43 underground railroad and it wasn’t a

4:44 casual decision

4:46 it was very meaningful to me when i was

4:49 sent to undercover school as a us

4:50 agent i was sent to go learn

4:54 how to be a pedophile or to be

4:57 a trafficker or a purveyor of child sex

5:00 the government wanted to teach me to be

5:01 that so that i could infiltrate

5:03 child trafficking organizations when i

5:06 got to under

5:07 cover school i recognized there wasn’t a

5:09 curriculum for that

5:10 we were all kind of creating this at the

5:12 same time the problem of human

5:14 trafficking child exploitation was

5:16 really just

5:17 starting to really get some attention i

5:20 had to consult other sources of

5:23 information

5:24 to learn how to do this job i recognized

5:27 that what we were fighting

5:28 was in fact a modern-day version of

5:31 slavery so i started reading every book

5:33 i could

5:33 on slavery the underground railroad the

5:36 civil war

5:36 the forms of slavery are different

5:38 enough that you wouldn’t want to hurt

5:39 the integrity of either of the stories

5:41 but we would be very remiss not to learn

5:44 the lessons

5:45 of the transatlantic slave trade and see

5:47 what we can learn to help people today

5:49 who are also in captivity and i learned

5:52 so many lessons from

5:54 people who became my heroes and so when

5:56 we created operation underground

5:57 railroad

5:58 and i had to come up with a name i

6:00 wanted to honor

6:01 those people not just honor them but

6:04 keep them front and center in our

6:05 program

6:06 so that we could continue to not only be

6:08 inspired by them but but literally

6:10 learn from them even tactics on how

6:13 to eradicate slavery

6:16 i love this one okay this one makes me

6:19 upset

6:20 so i might get a little i’m at cuss i

6:22 get how many customers do i get hillary

6:24 two two okay which ones

6:28 i’m just joking How Much Do You Get Paid

6:31 okay so i’ve heard you get paid me

6:34 personally that i get paid in excess

6:36 of 300 000 a year at our

6:39 so i’m so happy to stand here and tell

6:42 you i’m a volunteer

6:43 at our and i have been since april of

6:46 2019.

6:48 2018 our had been

6:51 involved in several major rescue

6:53 operations and me and my family were

6:55 getting

6:56 crazy death threats it was a very

6:58 dangerous time i went to the board i

6:59 said what do you want to do they said

7:00 we’ve got to make sure your family

7:01 is safe so they took precautions we put

7:04 in a security system

7:06 got a mean looking dog put a very

7:07 expensive secure

7:09 fence around my entire house in the end

7:12 the attorneys came in said well

7:13 to do this the safest way to be the most

7:16 compliant with

7:17 irs laws and everything else we’re going

7:19 to have to w-2 youtube meaning

7:20 it’s going to have to show all these

7:22 editing costs are going to have to show

7:24 as salary to you and that’s where you

7:27 got

7:28 that number from 2018 and those sources

7:31 by the way that report that

7:32 they also see in the 990 the very next

7:34 year 2019

7:36 which reports a salary of 106 000

7:39 to me i also don’t even have health

7:41 benefits i don’t have any of the

7:43 other benefits that we offer our

7:44 employees and it’s not because i

7:46 couldn’t

7:46 i don’t want to take it because my wife

7:48 and i decided early on that we would

7:50 find a way at some point

7:51 to be volunteer ceos and we finally

7:55 achieved that goal

7:56 in april of 2019. our is so incredibly

7:59 transparent

8:00 we post all of our 990s made readily

8:02 available

8:03 so how do i take care of my nine

8:05 children

8:06 and and and a wife the truth is i am a

8:09 full-time

8:10 ceo at our and how i’m able to pull that

8:12 off is because i’m also an author and a

8:14 speaker

8:15 and a content provider and through those

8:18 means i’m able to make enough money to

8:19 take care of my family Why Do You Take Celebrities On Operations

8:21 why do you take celebrities on

8:23 operations now this is this is

8:24 controversial to some people of course

8:27 you know why would you bring people and

8:28 endanger them

8:30 my answer to that question is our goal

8:32 is to rescue children

8:33 that’s our goal i love history i learned

8:36 from history

8:36 and there was a guy named william

8:38 wilberforce back in the 19th century

8:41 who was instrumental in eradicating the

8:44 slave trade

8:45 in the united kingdom and what he did to

8:47 do that was he would actually get

8:49 celebrities

8:50 and influencers and people um with

8:53 uh with a high net wealth he would

8:55 invite them on his boat

8:56 and he would intentionally sail his boat

8:59 and bump into a slave ship that was

9:01 docked

9:01 and he’d say look at it this is what we

9:03 are allowing if we can show someone

9:05 what’s happening

9:07 and they see it for themselves and they

9:08 have a voice

9:10 that’s powerful they will go back and

9:12 now stand in place and be a voice

9:14 for the many other children who have not

9:17 been liberated yet

9:18 it’s strategy and we’re very selective

9:22 about when we do it we make sure the

9:24 person is as safe as possible we make

9:26 sure they’re in a place during the

9:26 operation where they can see

9:28 without fully participating we make

9:30 those calculated

9:31 risks those those decisions and

9:33 strategies based on

9:35 the goal of rescuing more kids

9:38 and that’s what makes it worth it are Are You A Religious Based Organization

9:40 you a religious based organization

9:44 we are not affiliated with any

9:46 denomination

9:48 however that does not mean that we

9:50 aren’t religious

9:52 people it’s not a requirement in fact

9:54 there are people that work for us i know

9:55 that

9:56 that claim to be atheists if i’m on an

9:58 operation you don’t have to join me

10:00 but usually everybody does i’m gonna

10:02 pray it’s who most of the people are

10:04 who work for us and

10:07 we also rely on other people who want to

10:09 join us in prayer

10:11 we have a prayer role where we send out

10:13 prayer requests

10:15 to supporters and donors who want to get

10:18 involved

10:18 in that way some people think you are Conspiracy Theories

10:21 facilitating conspiracy theories

10:23 what is your response

10:26 so there are always conspiracy theories

10:28 on every topic on everything

10:30 you know we have a supported base of

10:32 hundreds of thousands of people

10:34 so we can’t control what people say or

10:36 do

10:37 and post and maybe tag us in that

10:41 so don’t be confused by that look at

10:43 what we are saying

10:45 we do our best to vet out those theories

10:48 and if appropriate we’ll take a stand

10:49 and say hey this isn’t true and that’s

10:51 not true

10:52 but since we got your attention why

10:54 don’t you stick around and find out what

10:55 actually

10:56 is true and then we have a

10:58 responsibility to flood this space

11:00 with the truth about what human

11:02 trafficking is and

11:04 child exploitation how or where should

11:06 you report possible trafficking or child

11:08 exploitation cases

11:10 you should always call law enforcement

11:12 first because that’s what we call

11:14 we are not law enforcement we support we

11:17 consult

11:18 we train we provide whatever assistance

11:21 is required

11:22 for law enforcement and survivor care

11:25 services to do their job and so if we

11:28 get a lead that’s who we call if you get

11:29 a lead that’s who you should call

11:31 law enforcement and aftercare providers

11:34 are the ones

11:35 doing the heavy lifting we’re trying to

11:37 make that lift a little lighter

11:39 so that’s the end of this round of our

11:40 hot topic q a

11:42 please keep those questions coming we’re

11:43 very transparent the more we get to talk

11:45 about these things

11:46 the more we have the chance of

11:48 converting you to helping us

11:50 rescue more kids

11:59 you

BRM5 – Four more BRM short vids and Transcripts

These are 4 more short videos that Blood Ritual Monarch put on his channel, copied now to Odysee. The videos are in chronological order of date, presumably of uploading but the first is after he has visited Montauk, which obviously happened after the ones showing him at Montauk.
The two titled Haunted by the Menacing Tower and Blood Ritual Monarch Emerges From the Dark Tower are very similar but different in length, I have not studied the difference it is easier just to upload both, and they also have dates 6 months different.

Videos

This obviously came after visiting Montauk.

2013 Mar 16 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Goes to Montauk 5 m 12 s [29c]

The following two videos are very similar.

2013 Mar 17 Odysee Haunted By the Menacing Tower 1min 43 [28c]

2013 Sept 14 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Emerges From the Dark Tower at Montauk, Camp Hero 2013 [27c]

This presumably was going to be or was the title for the early books, later it just became Blood Ritual Monarch.

2014 Jun 21 Odysee Official Trailer: Tales of Demon Conjuring, Mind Control, and Madness 1m 51s [30c]

Previous Blood Ritual Monarch Posts

• 2020 April 5 cathyfoxblog Montauk Boys – Blood Ritual Monarch  [2]
• 2023 Jul 6 Foxes Extra Blog BRM 3 – Blood Ritual Monarch Interviewed by Stewart and Janet Swerdlow and Transcript [3]
• 2023 Jul 6 Foxes Extra Blog BRM 4 – BRM’s Book Release Question and Answers Party 2014 and Transcript [4]

Transcripts are after the links.

Links

[2] 2020 April 5 cathyfoxblog Montauk Boys – Blood Ritual Monarch  https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/montauk-boys-blood-ritual-monarch/

[3] 2023 Jul 6 Foxes Extra Blog BRM 3 – Blood Ritual Monarch Interviewed by Stewart and Janet Swerdlow and Transcript https://yabasta1.wordpress.com/2023/07/06/brm-3-blood-ritual-monarch-interviewed-by-stewart-and-janet-swerdlow-and-transcript/

[4] 2023 Jul 6 Foxes Extra Blog BRM 4 – BRM’s Book Release Question and Answers Party 2014 and Transcript https://yabasta1.wordpress.com/2023/07/06/brm-4-brms-book-release-question-and-answers-party-2014-and-transcript/

[27] 2013 Sept 14 BRM emerges from Montauk Tower 1min 38s

[27c] 2013 Sept 14 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Emerges From the Dark Tower at Montauk, Camp Hero 2013 https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/BRM-emerges-from-Montauk-Tower-2vttcfNaiFc:b 1 min 38 s

[28] 2013 Mar 17 Haunted By the Menacing Tower 1min 43 similar to [27]

[28c] 2013 Mar 17 Odysee Haunted By the Menacing Tower 1min 43 https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Haunted-By-the-Menacing-Tower-jRJoxDECb2I:f

[29] 2013 Mar 16 Blood Ritual Monarch Goes to Montauk 5 m 12 s

[29c] 2013 Mar 16 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Goes to Montauk 5 m 12 s https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Blood-Ritual-Monarch-Goes-to-Montauk-Hgv9oRTTp8E:e

[30] 2014 Jun 21 Official Trailer: Tales of Demon Conjuring, Mind Control, and Madness 1m 51s

[30c] 2014 Jun 21 Odysee Official Trailer: Tales of Demon Conjuring, Mind Control, and Madness 1m 51s https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Official-Trailer_-Tales-of-Demon-Conjuring,-Mind-Control,-and-Madness-UYHXNnlOGEk:1

Transcripts

2013 Mar 16 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Goes to Montauk 5 m 12 s [29c]

welcome everyone this is the follow-up

0:05 podcast to to our montauk trip that took

0:08 place about a week week and a half ago

0:10 and we wanted to share with you some of

0:12 the artifacts that we were fortunate

0:14 enough to obtain and also try and

0:16 explain the significance we think they

0:18 have

0:19 but let’s start by framing things

0:22 much like the titanic

0:24 exhibitions that travel around the

0:26 country with their artifacts uh similar

0:28 to the uh the teacup that the captain

0:30 drank out of before they hit the berg

0:34 or even

0:35 the plate

0:37 that the unsinkable molly brown ate off

0:39 of on that fateful night

0:41 it’s more like a dish isn’t it and we’re

0:43 going to be talking about

0:45 radar dishes so

0:46 there’s a nice little

0:48 segue into dishes so

0:51 let’s start with the minor artifacts

0:55 i was lucky enough to

0:57 bump into two

0:59 locking mechanisms on the floor of the Minor artifacts

1:01 tower

1:02 and i selected them because

1:05 they were small enough to fit my pocket

1:07 i didn’t want to take piping or tubes or

1:09 anything too cumbersome i was nervous

1:12 the whole time about being caught you

1:14 know how do you explain you know

1:16 rummaging around in an old you know

1:18 military base uh

1:19 being bailed out of jail just just not a

1:21 good thing so i was nervous the whole

1:24 time and also creeped out freaked out by

1:26 the place so these two things fit in my

1:28 pockets

1:29 after the fact i realized maybe they had

1:31 some significance

1:32 uh you know locks

1:35 unlocking memories

1:36 so i realized it was just perfect timing

1:40 and uh serendipity i did wrap one up in

1:43 plastic just because i wanted to carry

1:45 around my pocket

1:47 hopefully the memories would kind of you

1:49 know seep into me

1:51 and i wrapped wrapped this up and kind

1:53 of looks creepy actually now

1:56 but the other one is heavily corroded so

1:58 we’re going to do something else with

1:59 that Major artifacts

2:00 the first night i i put this in my

2:02 pajama pocket

2:04 and i wanted to sleep with it and even

2:06 while watching tv and drinking wine i i

2:09 was triggered and whether it was the

2:10 lock or not it wasn’t pretty so i’m not

2:12 going to be

2:14 playing with this for a while

2:16 but the major find is the dish fragment

2:19 originally this was one piece and we

2:21 just tore it apart

2:23 just for ease of

2:25 eating under the fence there

2:28 this is

2:29 a fragment of this dish here

2:32 and i might add that the water

2:34 tower has been stripped down uh you

2:36 might have if you’ve watched the the

2:38 video

2:39 it looks completely different so this

2:40 this part here is gone i don’t know what

2:42 happened to it if it was uh

2:44 if it was weather or maybe somebody came

2:46 in and stripped it down

2:48 so

2:49 these fragments are part of this dish

2:52 and all of the frequencies that were

2:54 beamed

2:55 through the dish out to the public uh to

2:58 the individuals that were experimenting

2:59 on

3:01 this metal is encoded with those

3:02 frequencies fascinating

3:05 to think about but also dangerous

3:08 because

3:09 you know we don’t know what astral smoke

3:12 is going to be seeping out of this

3:14 it could be specific to individuals that

3:16 have resonance with it

3:18 and also on a physical level this is

3:20 corroded you look at it the wrong way

3:21 you’re going to cut yourself so

3:23 it’s dangerous all around

3:25 we’ve got some broad mergers here to

3:26 help us out

3:28 and what i wanted to do

3:30 well

3:31 actually before that i wanted to just

3:32 give my own two cents on

3:34 uh

3:35 there was a um

3:37 at the beginning of the original podcast

3:38 there was a cab driver that explained

3:40 uh to us a couple of years ago in

3:42 montauk the dish was actually moving

3:44 this dish rather was moving on its own

3:47 the military came in i’m not going to go

3:50 over that again but the dish was moving

3:51 by itself and many folks came in to

3:54 corroborate that

3:56 no one could have moved it so it’s my

3:58 opinion that the folks in antarctica

4:01 station 211

4:03 they are controlling the tower right now

4:06 and um

4:07 well time will tell just to finish

4:09 things off i wanted to uh to say that

4:11 we’re going to donate

4:13 a portion of this to

4:15 anjanae and uncle stuart that expansions

4:18 so we’re going to be either mailing or

4:20 delivering this in person

4:22 to them

4:26 and

4:27 this will go in there

4:29 i think it’s located in their basement

4:31 uh they do have an artifact room there i

4:33 think it might be next to stewart’s gym

4:34 i’m not quite sure uh but this will be

4:37 in addition to their artifact room i

4:38 spoke to stuart and he’s thrilled to

4:40 have a piece of the dish

4:42 and

4:44 you know we came back in one piece

4:46 uh being around those vibrations a lot

4:48 of you folks might think that you know

4:50 why would anyone want to go there

4:52 but we were drawn there

4:54 and

4:55 you know the universe has its plan so

4:57 and we’re not schizos yet

4:59 so we’ll see what happens but we’ll let

5:01 you know if things get freaky

5:04 and thanks for tuning in

5:10 you

2013 Mar 17 Odysee Haunted By the Menacing Tower 1min 43 [28c]

okay uh an excellent fine before we

0:08 leave for the last time as you can see

0:12 parts of the tower have corroded rusted

0:15 and fallen to the ground like a

0:19 patchwork quilt there so one of these

0:22 pieces see right here very dangerous of

0:28 course updated tetanus shots are

0:29 recommended but you’ve got a piece of

0:33 the tower we’re taking out and talk

0:37 about having something encoding you know

0:39 with the frequency of the place not that

0:40 that’s so much desirable but there is a

0:44 purpose to it so piece of the tower it’s

0:49 a great fine and just a really creepy

0:52 place very nervous in there I was

0:55 hearing things just want to get the hell

0:57 out of the not gonna try and be a big

1:00 man and say it wasn’t scary it was it’s

1:01 just freaky and I just want to get out

1:03 of here I love the feeling of the

1:07 adrenaline and the fear it stops time it

1:11 makes you feel like the past in the

1:13 future don’t matter and you’re just in

1:14 that moment and I think that’s what

1:16 soldiers go through and when they get

1:18 addicted to war and they want to go back

1:20 because when you get back to you know

1:23 everyday life your body Idol is not

1:26 matching with everyone else and you just

1:27 feel out of place so the rush is

1:30 wonderful but this place also has a

1:33 creepiness to it ice point get on

2013 Sept 14 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Emerges From the Dark Tower at Montauk, Camp Hero 2013 [27c]

okay uh an excellent fine before we

0:04 leave for the last time as you can see

0:08 part two the tower have corroded rusted

0:12 and fallen to the ground like a

0:16 patchwork quote there so one of these

0:19 pieces see right here very dangerous of

0:24 course updated tetanus shots are

0:26 recommended but we’ve got a piece of the

0:30 power we’re taking out and talk about

0:33 having something encoding you know with

0:35 the frequency of the place not that

0:37 that’s so much desirable but there is a

0:40 purpose to it so piece of the tower it’s

0:45 a great find and just a really creepy

0:49 place very nervous in there I was

0:51 hearing things just want to get the hell

0:53 out of there not gonna try and be a big

0:56 man and say it wasn’t scary it was it’s

0:58 just freaky and I just want to get out

0:59 of here I love the feeling of the

1:04 adrenaline and the fear it stops time it

1:07 makes you feel like the past in the

1:09 future don’t matter and you’re just in

1:11 that moment and I think that’s what

1:12 soldiers go through and when they get

1:15 addicted to war and they want to go back

1:16 because when you get back to you know

1:19 everyday life did your body Idol is not

1:22 matching with everyone else and you just

1:24 feel out of place so the rush is

1:26 wonderful but this place also has a

1:29 creepiness to it x 1 get on

2014 Jun 21 Odysee Official Trailer: Tales of Demon Conjuring, Mind Control, and Madness 1m 51s [30c]

hello everyone my name is blood ritual

0:08 monarch and I’m here to tell you about

0:09 my autobiography tales of demon

0:11 conjuring mind control and madness the

0:15 book chronicles my paranormal

0:16 experiences with spirit invocation in

0:18 the occult as well as the 20 years of

0:21 psychic chaos these misadventures

0:22 created I spent almost two decades

0:25 afflicted with frightening and

0:27 destructive blackout episodes which

0:28 could be described as demonic possession

0:31 after finding notes ring to myself

0:33 during these periods of amnesia I was

0:35 led on a journey into the shadowy world

0:37 of high-tech black magic and ultimately

0:39 to a derelict radar tower at the tip of

0:41 Long Island New York a chance meeting

0:44 with a woman I met at a conspiracy

0:46 website led me some 9,000 miles from

0:48 home to the southern hemisphere where I

0:50 reside today it was here in New zein

0:52 where I began to heal and document the

0:54 experiences you’ll find in this book if

0:56 you’re into the paranormal the occult or

0:59 any manner of conspiracy theory then the

1:02 stories for you you can find it a

1:04 variety of formats in distributors

1:06 including kindle Kobo look and also in

1:10 hard copy you can also get an

1:12 autographed copy of my website blood

1:14 virtual marcom the website also has lots

1:17 of free content including video

1:19 photographs of form as well as my latest

1:23 series of blog entries titled project

1:25 exorcism some have doubted the veracity

1:29 of my story however I’m not out to prove

1:31 anything you can accept or reject as you

1:34 see fit take it as truth or fiction

1:37 thanks for your time and feel free to

1:39 contact me through my website or email

1:42 brm at blood virtual monarch calm

BRM 4 – BRM’s Book Release Question and Answers Party 2014 and Transcript

2014 Apr 13 Odysee 2014 Apr 13 Book Release Party of BRM’s New Book [26c]

Previous Blood Ritual Monarch Posts

• 2020 April 5 cathyfoxblog Montauk Boys – Blood Ritual Monarch  [2]
• 2023 Jul 6 Foxes Extra Blog BRM 3 – Blood Ritual Monarch Interviewed by Stewart and Janet Swerdlow and Transcript [3]

Links

[2] 2020 April 5 cathyfoxblog Montauk Boys – Blood Ritual Monarch  https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/montauk-boys-blood-ritual-monarch/

[3] 2023 Jul 6 Foxes Extra Blog BRM 3 – Blood Ritual Monarch Interviewed by Stewart and Janet Swerdlow and Transcript https://yabasta1.wordpress.com/2023/07/06/brm-3-blood-ritual-monarch-interviewed-by-stewart-and-janet-swerdlow-and-transcript/

[26c] 2014 Apr 13 Odysee 2014 Apr 13 Book Release Party of BRM’s New Book https://odysee.com/@FoxesAmazingChannel:8/Book-Release-Party-Of-Blood-Ritual-Monarch’s-New-Book-iukCFnIME7M:b

[26] 2014 Apr 13 Book Release Party of BRM’s New Book 1hr 15min

Transcript

l just no lights on okay so hello folks and welcome to the

0:12 release party for my autobiography tales of demon conjuring mind control and madness

0:18 i’m blood rachel monarch and we’re broadcasting live from new zealand it’s uh sunday afternoon here and i suspect

0:25 saturday evening or saturday night where you are and i even miss church for this event so

0:30 it’ll have to be good we do apologize for the technical issues um but we do have a very interesting

0:37 event plan and your participation will definitely enhance the experience so we’re going to explain how to log into

0:43 chat if you’re if you’re not logged in already and um how do we lock in the chat

0:50 should we go to the home screen so go to the home screen and on the left hand side you’ll see a tab for

0:57 uh for home hover your cursor over home and then you’ll see live event uh click on that

1:04 and uh then that will lead you to the chat room correct and uh hopefully you’re logging in now

1:12 um now by the way uh we do have a um a winner of our autographed copy of the

1:17 book it’s james bond james bonifant james are you there

1:24 congratulations man uh what we’re going to be doing is uh the books are going to be coming from the states here to new zealand and then

1:31 i’m going to autograph and then send right away to you it could take up to a month because it does take a couple of weeks um going across the ocean so rest

1:38 assured you will be getting that um appreciate your patience um so what we’re going to do today is um

1:45 while we’re fielding questions from chat uh we’ll be going over the book itself uh the genesis of the book how it came

1:50 to be uh and then also going over um the chapters themselves just a brief summary of the chapters but once again the more

1:57 questions you ask the more interesting it’ll be uh so definitely get involved and um and we’ll begin

2:05 so james is there okay and how the book came into being

2:11 um i’m not quite sure if you’ve been reading my blog but it did explain

2:16 uh what i had gone through for about 15 years with uh with blackouts

2:22 and all sorts of problems uh psychologically and when i did move to new zealand uh

2:28 the issues continued but when i i woke up on

2:34 after a particularly bad blackout and my organs were hurting and i knew i’d been drinking too much

2:40 and i couldn’t continue my lifestyle in that fashion so my fiance suggested i

2:45 start writing as a way to vent whatever issues i had and so i started the blog

2:51 and then after about six seven months i realized i had enough material for a book and uh that’s when the whole idea for

2:57 the book um came into being and that took several more months of pretty fervent obsessive uh you know getting up

3:04 at uh three four o’clock in the morning writing editing and uh getting off to work and um it was pretty pretty

3:11 exhausting uh process but uh now the book is uh is here after many different uh versions so we’ve got got a

3:18 flesh and blood book here and james as we said you’re going to be the first one the next two folks to log into

3:24 chat will receive uh free kindle copies of the book

3:29 and i’m here with louise my fiance who started all of this and who’s also the technical expert so she’ll be uh chiming

3:36 in and uh giving me advice because i’m a bit too old for this stuff so um and also she’s here to field

3:43 questions as well if you’d like to know what it’s like to live with me and get an honest opinion from someone other

3:48 than myself because obviously i’ll paint the picture in a much rosier fashion because who wouldn’t

3:54 um so what we’ll do is uh we’ll start by going over the chapters of the book

4:00 and i’ll explain that a little bit uh the first chapter itself is is called

4:06 the demon’s call and i was about 23 at the time

4:11 and i was into bodybuilding i was obsessed with that i was a night shift security guard

4:16 and um i knew that i had to take steroids to compete on the professional level and

4:23 anything that i did and still do is is very much to the extreme um as you get questions cut in

4:30 um so i knew that i had to take steroids and my addictive nature would take over and i would likely die

4:36 at a very young age so i prepared myself for the afterlife because i knew i’d be meeting it uh much sooner than most

4:42 folks um that that was my thinking at the time to the best of my recollection uh so

4:49 what i did is i started reading about um the afterlife the first book was hans holzer it’s called the um something of

4:56 the life after i can’t remember i remember the author though so i read holter’s book um

5:01 it was on spiritual uh mediumship and then i found myself getting

5:06 obsessed with the subject and then i went off to the bookstore i think it was barnes and noble or borders

5:12 and um in a matter of weeks i was actually buying up uh all sorts of books on magic

5:19 aleister crowley and and then it went into satanic stuff

5:24 and i was very curious to see if there were entities or other beings on other dimensional levels

5:30 so i decided to to summon demonic energies

5:36 not to hurt anyone with them but just to to see if they existed it was more of a scientific experiment for

5:42 me uh so i happened upon a book called the galatia which is a grimoire or a magical

5:50 spell book if you will to evoke demonic energies to to bring them into the third dimension of the physical

5:56 sphere um at least as much as they could manifest um so i built a conjuring mirror

6:02 um for the book and um you know once once that was built it took several weeks to build and uh

6:08 quite a bit of um craftsmanship uh expertise that i didn’t have so i asked

6:14 my dad to help out with it i had some friends help out as well uh the mirror was uh a white uh

6:21 triangular shape uh of wood and it had a black mirror in the middle that was spray

6:26 painted and the theory behind that is that the the black spray paint the black mirror itself because it was dark uh

6:32 would allow the entities to manifest um that’s to the best of my recollection

6:37 a lot of you folks might be much more versed in magic than i am uh after my negative experiences i i avoided it

6:44 completely so this is just based on recall and i’m definitely not an expert magician

6:50 i had some bad experiences and they lasted for quite a long time so i didn’t attempt to evoke spirits uh after that

6:57 um at the beginning when i did the evocation rituals um nothing happened quite honestly i

7:04 don’t think i had the psychic sensitivity to pick up on the um whatever was manifesting

7:10 so i thought i didn’t didn’t get any results nothing was happening so i decided to continue the experience

7:16 um and i i did the conjuring rituals for weeks and weeks on end uh thinking that

7:22 okay if nothing happens i’m just going to keep doing it until it does happen um and then things started to happen my bed

7:30 started to shake i felt invisible hands on me

7:35 the the room would get ice cold one particular thing that did occur was that

7:42 my thought patterns i became very negative uh very angry um my thoughts were just clouded with

7:49 doom and gloom and and a kind of a vicious rage and that was one thing that i realized

7:55 many years later was that the entities were affecting me on a mental level um i think even before i started the

8:01 conjuring experiments um so you know with the bed shaking and things happening my roommates come

8:07 into the room they they lie on the bed and you know as the bed shook uh they would get freaked out and leave the room

8:13 and became afraid of me and one even slept with a with a knife um next to his bed i was never violent

8:20 but anyway uh people it wasn’t going on just in my head let’s put it that way uh

8:26 so after the um after those experiments um and this kind of created the slip stream

8:32 of sorts i stopped the conjuring experiments after i was um invisibly sodomized for lack of

8:38 a better way to describe it i was being touched and i felt like i was you know being raped at night

8:45 obviously that stopped the conjuring experiments but it didn’t stop the the experiences themselves

8:51 things continued to touch me and of course the issues in the bedroom uh continued as well

8:58 so my roommates moved out and uh and sure enough i had some strange folks move in

9:04 in the meantime i did meet a woman um at a party and we had quite an interesting exchange

9:11 and then she lived in new york so she went back to new york ultimately she moved back to to live with me

9:18 and i married her i’ll get into that in a little bit but let’s just say that

9:26 the energies were quite intense and i couldn’t stop it

9:31 so once again my roommates moved out and then some oto folks moved in that’s the ordo temple orientis and that’s a

9:37 fraternal organization founded by alistair crowley and you know crowley i’m sure many of you do

9:43 um and these folks moved in and they were seriously freaky and then i moved

9:48 out very shortly thereafter i left all of my furniture behind everything it was just it was just too

9:54 freaky for me and the only thing i took with me was the um the table that i used to summon the spirits

10:00 so i took that table with me which is a makeshift altar and um

10:05 brought that along and little did i realize that the energy of the table um

10:10 you know was going to affect me for quite a long time afterwards um so i moved in with the woman that i

10:15 met at the party and uh quite a bit occurred after that um

10:21 and then we were together for several years and then what occurred after that was we

10:28 had seen the movie fight club together fight club as many of you might know has

10:33 heavy uh mind control symbolism mind control triggers if mind control even exists i

10:39 don’t know um but uh fight club uh cracked a mental dam of sorts in my

10:45 mind and as a result i started uh blacking out

10:50 and these blackouts occurred intermittently at first

10:56 i would just wake up that i would drink too much wake up the next day and of course be in big trouble with my

11:01 my um wife to be um she was pretty freaked out by but we were young and crazy and just uh kind of wrote it off

11:07 at the beginning um but that that movie just obsessed me i went to go see fight club numerous

11:14 times at least six seven times every friday after work i get paid and i go see fight club um so

11:21 uh the blackouts once again they were intermittent i wouldn’t say that they were you know happening each and every

11:26 weekend i wasn’t seeking them out they were just kind of happening to me versus uh you know wanting them to happen which would

11:33 occur much much later um and during that period i was um

11:39 i was um trying to find ways to get my kundalini to activate because the kundalini is an energy center in your

11:45 spine and i was trying to get that to activate again because it had occurred when i first started summoning the demons and

11:53 it was quite a blissful experience so what i did was

11:58 i tried to find any way i could to to get that to happen on a regular basis and basically when your kundalini rises

12:05 you go into the spirit realm and you have visions so i wanted that to happen i was rather obsessed with it

12:11 and i knew that somehow spiders were connected to that and you might be thinking how is that possible um but um

12:21 i did get some tarantulas african baboon tarantulas and because i was afraid of them and that

12:27 was my mindset at the time go into anything that scares you so with the tarantulas i meditated next

12:35 to them and i thought that somehow this fear might be connected to my

12:40 my issues or my obsession with the the spirit world and um after there was one particular evening

12:47 where i was going into a blackout and i cut myself and fed the blood

12:52 to the spiders hoping that um you know somehow i would connect with them or commune with them

12:58 that was my line of thinking at the time um that was a pretty pretty extreme event i almost had to get stitches and

13:03 then still have the scar today um but but that was the beginning of a downward spot a spiral of blackouts and all sorts

13:11 of behavior i’d be cutting myself wiping the blood on walls crying uh it was it was a pretty pretty

13:17 difficult time and it just it didn’t stop for you know almost 15 years

13:23 um then i moved into a house in rhode island with my ex well she’s my ex now

13:28 um and then what ensued was just continuous blackouts every weekend i would seek to

13:34 black out and to escape my body to escape um something some kind of turmoil that

13:40 was within um all i knew is that i needed to do it i needed to blackout

13:47 so that was something i would just obsess on i’d work all week i had a commute from rhode island to boston

13:52 which was four hours round trip pretty crazy i know one would think why not just get a job in rhode island but

13:58 i’m very routine oriented and i didn’t want to change things so i’ll go go to work i didn’t black out

14:04 during the week and on the weekends i would drink heavily and just disappear

14:10 uh this went on for about i would say 2 000

14:15 2010 was when i contacted a the programmer i was reading this book about

14:21 mind control which i didn’t realize also had a connection to demonology it was just

14:27 another subject that i happened upon online became obsessed with it and was seeking out books on mind control so i

14:34 was reading this book that had um all these symptoms on the back um you know the flashing lights affect

14:40 you uh do you have experiences with um you know energies do you have you know alien

14:46 abduction experiences all sorts of symptoms that were on the back of the book and um

14:52 i i thought maybe i my issue was mind control i don’t know how i made the connection because it didn’t mention

14:57 demons too too much um but um so i decided to compile

15:03 all of my life information um and send it to this guy to see what he thought and in the beginning i was i

15:10 was a bit apprehensive because i didn’t want to be embarrassed about it you know you’re just surfing too many you know

15:15 mind control websites there’s nothing wrong with you that’s what i thought he might say so i finally put um you know all of this

15:21 together uh and then i emailed it to him uh for a consultation and when he came

15:27 back to me it was shocking i mean he said that i was definitely under heavy mind control i can’t prove

15:34 that i certainly can’t prove it uh but he said i was mind controlled and all of my issues with demon conjuring

15:41 all of my issues with um you know blacking out cutting myself i mean i would

15:46 go into these states i’d wake up from blackouts with candles lit i would wake up you know with blood on the walls the

15:53 word lucifer written all sorts of freaky stuff that uh you might think is you know outrageous so

15:58 you don’t believe it but you know that that’s what happened for quite a long time um

16:04 so when i got this back from this consultation back i was just shocked and i thought okay i you know maybe this is what’s wrong

16:10 with me how can i fix it but at the same time i was also i needed the blackouts i just i needed to go into

16:17 these states because i was too uncomfortable in my own skin so so it was a tough spot for me you

16:22 know i wanted to be healthier uh psychologically but at the same time i needed the blackout so i i didn’t know

16:28 how to reconcile the two um so this person and i have this deep programmer

16:34 we began a friendship we emailed you know five six seven times a day i told him everything about me my entire life

16:41 um and uh he didn’t try to sell me anything he was very good about that i thought maybe he had an agenda but um he

16:47 was just a very good person very supportive but after about eight months i i got to a

16:53 point where i was blacking out much much worse after i received this information that i

16:59 had possibly had mind control programming and as a result um

17:05 it got so bad i would send him such crazy emails that he had to back away in the communication and he stopped

17:11 talking to me because he knew i was just off the rails and out of control um

17:17 several weeks after that um you know i um i lost it i mean my ex

17:22 came in one day she’s very upset and i just i left i packed my bags and left i couldn’t stay in that marriage anymore i

17:28 was very unhappy in it i moved into my office at work and starting sleeping on the floor which

17:34 i thought i could never do and wouldn’t be brave enough to do that so i lived on the floor for about a

17:39 month and then i found an apartment and i started fresh

17:44 unfortunately i also was drinking even more heavily then because i didn’t have someone i was living with giving me the

17:51 evil eye about drinking too much so i i wasn’t managing my drinking at all and it got much much worse

17:57 i moved into an old school house that was renovated into apartments and it was old school for the deaf i

18:04 found out and there were definitely entities there as well same type of stuff things touching me

18:11 all sorts of you know bizarre experiences there and then i started online dating as well

18:18 and i met some pretty freaky women um you know on the the data cougar website

18:23 and match.com uh but then again i was telling them what i was into i was blacking out and

18:28 typing stuff into the computer so anyone that was interested in me obviously was into the same stuff and might have the

18:34 same issues tell them about the french lady uh there was a woman in actually montreal

18:39 who um she would speak french to me and i would immediately black out when i

18:44 heard the french language i had no idea what she was saying but we actually fought and we would

18:51 speak on the telephone and we would fight and i would i would immediately black out after she started speaking french

18:57 she get upset and she she’d go into french and then um i don’t know what what the issue was

19:02 there but something about the french language uh triggered me um so she was we never met face to face

19:09 but then there were other women uh who i did meet that did um you know meet me face to face and i do write

19:15 about that in the book i’d rather not go into that right now some other bizarre sexual experiences yeah i prefer if you

19:21 didn’t so i’m not talking about it now uh so then

19:26 after um after those experiences i finally found enough stability to um

19:31 to go to montauk and i’ll circle back just a little bit to the blackouts uh when i was blacking out in rhode

19:38 island i would scribble things on paper um i’m lucifer you know i’m the demons

19:44 on me it was all it was from all sorts of different perspectives and personas i’d wake up from the blackouts and find

19:50 these notes written and it would be pretty freaky pretty scary to see that you’re writing these

19:55 things when you’re in a completely unconscious state and one of the words that came up on a

20:02 regular basis was montauk it didn’t make sense to me at the time

20:07 you know what does this word mean i know it was a place um and i would see montauk over and over

20:12 again montauk and the word rape um and lots of angry satanic stuff

20:18 so when this occurred i i you know would throw the notes away i would i would soak them in water i’d do all sorts of

20:25 weird things because i didn’t want anyone to to know what i was writing down just my ex knew and of

20:30 course she um would lock herself in the bedroom i was never violent towards her by the way um but uh so this word

20:36 montauk came up over and over again and while i was speaking to the programmer i mentioned this to him of

20:43 course and he said that um you might be connected to the montauk project which is um

20:48 kind of an infamous alleged mind control program that occurred in the 1970s and

20:54 early 80s and these young boys were programmed to be assassins

21:00 uh to be killers jeffrey dahmer might have been one of them um he has some seriously

21:05 similar symptoms nothing i’m saying i did what he did but in any event um this whole connection to the montauk

21:12 project had can the suspicion of it had continued um you know right after i started uh

21:18 contacting the programmer so it was in the back of my mind that i might want to visit this place it was an old air force

21:26 facility at the tip of long island new york a very isolated place and of course i read anything and everything i could

21:32 on the montauk project so this research was going on you know after i had left my ex

21:39 and of course while i was was living at the apartment and once again i finally found enough

21:45 stability to plan a trip there so i i had some time off of work got some vacation time coming and i went to

21:51 montauk in september of 2011 and i can’t say that that it triggered

21:57 any memories but i can say that um i had some pretty bizarre experiences there the blood

22:04 that inexplicably um appeared on the sheets in the hotel uh all sorts of um dream state

22:10 experiences that were definitely not your average dreams uh so i shot footage of my trip to

22:16 montauk and uh you can find that on my website um so so that experience i’m not quite

22:22 sure what occurred but afterwards i i once again uh i became worse i was cutting myself

22:28 again so a downward spiral just just got deeper and deeper

22:33 after that montauk trip and then i started interacting with a woman that i had met

22:40 on the the programmers website so she frequented the website quite a bit and then i started speaking with her she’s

22:47 an older woman very knowledgeable in mind control and we started emailing each other i told

22:53 her about my experiences she was a very nice lady but once again i was still drinking and i

22:59 would email her some pretty freaky stuff maybe laced with a bit of sexual innuendo perhaps um

23:04 and she knew what was happening she she saw that i was triggered and to be triggered is to go into a different

23:10 persona even if it’s even if mind control is true i don’t know if it’s even real um

23:15 but she was pretty freaked out by my behavior and she said overwhelmed by it

23:21 so as a result she said she was friends with a man in um

23:27 in new zealand uh a guy in new zealand that she was interacting with i didn’t know anyone across the other side of the world but she asked him if he would mind

23:34 communicating with me because we’re very similar we’re the exact same age with the same issues we were searching for

23:40 meaning in life and we both had this connection to mind control uh so she contacted him

23:46 and said would you mind talking to this guy is a bit crazy but you know you might uh both find some you know find

23:52 some peace by just sharing your experiences uh so he and i started emailing each other

23:58 and um of course became great friends we’re still friends to this day um i just saw him this weekend and he

24:05 kept mentioning this woman that was also um someone that was on the programmers

24:11 website this name i can’t mention because we’re squabbling at the moment uh but um

24:16 he mentioned his name is seth in the book he mentioned this woman that was also in new zealand and she’s very interesting i saw her name

24:23 and i decided i i’d like to talk to her as well uh and i kept saying you know introduce

24:29 me to her and uh he kept ignoring it for some reason he kept uh sidestepping these um

24:35 these mentions through email excuse me so finally he gave me her

24:42 email address he he course contacted her first to see if she’d be you know interested in speaking to this crazy person

24:48 uh and she agreed to it she was in a relationship at the time and so was i but it quickly became romantic and put

24:55 us both in a tough spot so you know once we started interacting um

25:00 you know being someone that’s very extreme and obsessive i i tried to woo her i used everything i could with words

25:06 i fancy myself pretty good with words when i need to be as far as you know being persuasive

25:12 so five months after our um initial email i was um on a plane to new zealand and

25:18 here i am now almost three years later still here uh and then that circles back to

25:24 um the book itself because um i had still been up to my nonsense with blacking out for about a year and a half

25:30 until my organs started to hurt and i knew i had to stop drinking and i think she was getting sick of the nonsense as well

25:36 um so having been in new zealand and then starting the blog this is what really has helped me heal

25:42 a lot of folks have called it an ego trip or why are you sharing this all i can say is i’ve been paranoid for

25:49 a good part of my life about writing down dreams or talking to anybody about these experiences for fear

25:55 of being committed or or what have you losing my job so just sharing it and

26:01 getting it out there has has vented a sort of psychic chaos within me and it’s kept me stable

26:09 i’m much better i’m still the same person to a degree but i’m much healthier now and that’s a

26:14 result of sharing the experience just writing the book definitely uh correlates with that

26:19 so that’s the reason i’m sharing this and that’s the reason i wrote the book and will continue to write

26:25 there’s a whole lot more in between i didn’t share of course because you know i’d like you to read the book and let me know what you think

26:31 a lot of folks have read the blog they’ve had great feedback on that and if somebody reads it and is entertained

26:36 that’s fantastic if it has a deeper meaning to you that then all the better um

26:42 so after um of course you know finishing the book i decided i’d like to

26:48 to start writing horror fiction perhaps that stuff always seems to filter through my mind maybe i

26:53 can take advantage of it um and also i recently did a radio show uh with a

26:59 fellow um over in australia who seems to think i’m possessed whatever that means

27:04 and uh he and i are discussing possibly me going over there for an exorcism um what i can say is that i don’t

27:10 necessarily believe i’m possessed if you want to call it that anything you know as far as

27:16 the the exorcist or anything of that nature like horror films i might have some spirit attachments

27:21 but um it would be an interesting experience i think to to go over to australia just to

27:27 see what would happen internally psychologically um with uh you know with

27:32 this so-called exorcism um and and then write about it you know as another adventure and it’s something i’m

27:38 trying to get closer to my memories something happened in my childhood i don’t know what it is i can’t seem to

27:44 remember i’ve had flashes of things but there’s a whole lot more there that i haven’t uh uncovered

27:50 so as a result maybe this exorcism if it does something to me psychologically

27:55 will um will reveal some memories i don’t know i mean i’m still adventurous i was a bit reckless when i conjured the

28:01 demons maybe doing this is reckless as well but if there’s a chance to get some

28:06 answers then i’m willing to take the risk um so that’ll be the next stop for me um

28:11 you know doing that and continuing to write as far as the book goes it it’s it’s at

28:18 299 at the moment on kindle and it’s that’s at 12

28:23 in print and these lower prices will be in effect you know for a short period so

28:28 take advantage of it uh get a copy of the book read the whole story i’ve only you know scratched the surface here

28:33 um and uh if you do read it i’d be greatly appreciated if you could put a

28:39 short review up on my amazon office page and i’ve got some ideas for other books aside from the the exorcism experience

28:45 so i hope you continue to check out the blog and and the website as well

28:52 and um aside from that uh for those of you that have been reading my blog i really appreciate it

28:57 i’ve had some great feedback lots of uh supportive words and i’ve made some great friends as well

29:03 um with the humorous aspect i tend to speak you know i joke a bit online and i i

29:10 tend to skirt with skirt the the boundary as far as you know am i

29:15 really supporting this demonic stuff or am i trying to get away from it the healing process is is never you know

29:22 a straight line it can be very asymmetrical i’m doing it my own way i’m definitely healthier now that i’ve

29:28 been writing uh but yes the subject the subject of the occult and demons i’m still

29:34 fascinated by that because i haven’t healed i think i haven’t found the memories i need that are connected to that so yes i still write about it and i

29:42 if i joke it’s not because this is all a hoax or sham or i’m being cavalier it’s

29:47 you need humor you need levity um humor dispels the negative energies it

29:52 really does so what has the um people your readers um take on your book being so far what feedback have you had

30:00 excellent feedback so far i’ve got three reviews up and lots of other folks that are in the process of reading it um they enjoy the

30:07 book they think it’s easy to to follow and a whole lot more information is there

30:12 but it’s the blog entries are part of the book but i’ve fleshed it out quite a bit and i’ve added a lot more content a

30:18 lot more detail around the experiences uh so they’ve really enjoyed it and i know you will too so

30:25 uh check it out if you’re into horror uh if you’re into the occult uh if you’re into the paranormal

30:31 or mind control um any of the subjects it basically uh straddles all those

30:36 different genres or niches if you will so i think anyone that’s in those

30:42 particular areas is going to find something in the book that they’ll enjoy um and you know where to find me on facebook i always like to talk about

30:48 this stuff and interact so you can definitely find me there um and i really appreciate your time

30:54 today um for those of you that have tuned in and this will be available as a as a link to watch after the fact as

31:01 well anything else that uh louise would like to add louise who

31:06 wrote the forward to the book and shared her experiences with me in graphic detail uh um when i was blacking out when i first

31:13 arrived here she put up with a lot and lover to bits for for dealing with that stuff

31:19 well i just i want to know how you feel about the whole process that you’ve gone through um

31:25 you know because when you started writing the blog you were so adamant that it wouldn’t do anything for you

31:31 i resisted it i resisted it so much it’s oh whatever i’m not gonna write and i have a job to keep or they’ll put me

31:37 away i’m in a small country and i was still you know in the process of becoming a resident i don’t wanna i just

31:42 i got so sick of you getting drunk and crying and growling every night that i was crying and rolling we have to find

31:49 an i’m women are into that if you were a little bit yeah but we have to find an avenue for you to release all your

31:56 frustration and pent up energy and pretty much that’s what you did and how do you feel now being do you feel more

32:03 balanced or absolutely i mean i don’t feel like i have to black out when i lived in rhode

32:08 island if i didn’t get the black out and go crazy every weekend i was depressed i mean if

32:14 we had some sort of family event or we had to go away for the weekend i couldn’t i would never black out in front of anyone aside from my ex it

32:20 would only be like one person i’d select to black out in front of because then i could just say all right she’s crazy it didn’t happen so it was a bit

32:26 manipulative there but i never blacked out in front of anyone except maybe one person uh so

32:33 what’s the question how do you feel now in comparison to them when you were blacking out another

32:39 i mean your blackout was very much like a crutch for you wasn’t it i remember you were addicted to it you had to have

32:45 it on a friday night oh i couldn’t function during the week to go to work and not to be able to to release that

32:50 i don’t black out anymore i’ve had a few issues here and there but i don’t black out anymore to that extent or at all um

32:56 so the writing the sharing the interacting has definitely helped

33:02 you save my life do you still miss it absolutely yeah there are nights where i have a

33:07 couple of glasses of wine here at 80s music and uh i want to go there but i mean i it’s not

33:12 life or death where before it was i had to do it i would just be devastated if i couldn’t black out and get out of my

33:18 body i had to have that and it was a roll of the dice because i you know who knows what was going to

33:23 happen i sealed myself into the house with tape one time when i was alone when my ex was away because i needed to

33:29 just go crazy and i had to get out of my body and i i taped every window that’s in the book every window and door shut

33:37 so that i could um escape myself and it was horrible i woke up naked and bloody i mean it was stuff

33:43 that you just very dramatic i know but it’s true and i needed to uh to get away from that um i

33:50 think i have and i don’t need to black out anymore but yeah it’s definitely a tempting thing for

33:56 sure so what’s up sir um what stops me well i i certainly don’t want to um i just had

34:03 a kid i mean i’m i’ve never yeah well i mean look let’s face it some

34:09 folks have had issue with my you know calling it spam if you’re going to share your story you

34:14 have to get it out there uh there has to be a way to do that and it is a fine line between you know in marketing is it

34:21 ego or you are you pushing this on people i’d like to share the story because it’s part of my healing process

34:26 whenever i interact with a new person that says oh these things have happened to me or these things have happened to someone i

34:32 know and i’ve had no ability to build any context around it it’s wonderful to

34:37 do that you know or if somebody’s just curious about it so yeah the interacting helps but it’s you have to if you write

34:43 a book you put a lot of work into it you have to market it to get it out there um and i’d like to put it in you know in an

34:49 audio book uh get into bookstores i think it’s a unique enough story um i’ve lived in a bubble so long that

34:56 little bits of information about my life would leak to people and they’d say freaking crazy i’d be mean well that was

35:01 just my normal um so i think it’s a unique enough story would where it would have some broad appeal um and why not

35:08 but but yeah marketing sure well anthony says you should write more for sure it’s addicting to read so far which

35:14 is a good thing ah well thank you antoinette um i will be writing more it’s the one

35:20 thing that makes me happy um of course my family makes me happy but we all need something that we do i think

35:26 creatively as human beings um so as far as the writing goes i’m going to continue doing that

35:32 uh the next adventure will definitely be going to australia and to see what this exorcism does i mean is it going to

35:38 make me crazy or no i don’t think so i’m going to bring seth with me seth is coming along i used to send some pretty

35:43 freaky demonic emails to seth and he was one of the few people that could handle them so he he’s

35:49 close friend that’s going to come as a protector and make sure these people don’t mess with my head too much because

35:55 brett i’m sure you’re watching uh brett is the the fellow that i did the radio interview with in the exorcist not that i don’t trust you but uh everyone has to

36:02 protect themselves i’m not quite sure if there is an agenda i suspect there isn’t um but i’ve always been a bit too

36:07 trusting maybe um so let’s see what happens maybe it’ll be a controlled i think it’s it’s just again i think it’s

36:13 about you and what’s inside of you yeah what could be triggering you need someone who’s really close to you to be there to make sure absolutely

36:20 and but once again brett if i didn’t like you i didn’t trust you i wouldn’t even think about it but but i have had other people actually chime in and say

36:26 well you’ve got to be careful you don’t know this guy but we’ll see what happens uh trust the universe and trust the um

36:32 you know trust the path it takes me on yeah so where we’re at at the moment is we’ve

36:37 got um five people in chat i’m connected now yeah okay

36:44 and um i think according to your agenda you’re gonna start reading about the book or yeah we’ve gone over the

36:51 chapters themselves any questions you have folks you want to chime in if you think my story is nonsense or you think

36:56 you know i’m just making this up any kind of uh input i’ve had people um disagree with me and

37:02 some people even attack me um so you still find now so if you have any kind of input that that might be construed as

37:09 um you know maybe not in line with with what i’m i’m saying i have no issue with that at all and i never respond

37:16 aggressively to anything like that it’s just in poor taste and last thing you want to do is get into a

37:21 confrontation online with anyone um but i have had that happen quite a bit um i’m just sharing the story because it’s

37:27 healthier for me and um i’ve come a long way i mean years ago i wouldn’t even think to write

37:33 my dreams down they were so freaky um in mind control books that i had read secretly i’d tear the cover off on the

37:39 train and read them and then i would soak them in buckets of water and tear them to bits because heaven forbid

37:44 someone saw what i was reading what about the woman that have been contacting you with

37:50 regards to like the woman you trigger because at one stage that you were triggering a heap of people

37:56 yeah that well the content is this that’s definitely sexual in nature actually skirted over one of the

38:01 chapters um uh as far as the sexual control um

38:07 but yeah it’s quite sexual in nature um i think sexuality for us um we’re all

38:13 conditioned um that it’s something to be embarrassed about something that can be yucky or just just better left un

38:20 unaddressed um sexuality creates life and uh it’s one of the most potent

38:25 forces in the universe so i shared that stuff because mind control and also your ability to manifest things

38:32 in your life i believe is definitely connected to sexuality um so um i even did some uh sexual

38:38 manipulation with louise to get her to to um agree to have me come over to new zealand and i told her afterwards and

38:44 she was pissed off yeah so i mean this stuff is party to it

38:50 no no she had no idea um but it hasn’t worn off so i would think it hasn’t otherwise

38:56 someone saw us underneath my pajamas last night doing the taste oh my god no

39:04 i thought you said it wasn’t um oh my god

39:09 antoinette what did you see it’s terrible she says she says

39:18 oh my god i think i actually did you see i flashed the camera because i’m

39:24 i just do it for fun because it freaks her out and hopefully he didn’t see me watch the camera

39:29 um yeah yeah so this is um like i said the laughter part i’m much happier now

39:36 and and if any of you think you know i think alright if you’re watching uh you know was he said it was a bit

39:42 disconcerting that my my level of um as far as joking you know with the subject matter if it’s too

39:48 serious and too heavy it will actually magnetize negative energies you can’t have this grave seriousness

39:53 about you it will attract things of a like nature so i try to keep it light and and how can you not laugh at some of

39:59 this stuff i mean it’s it’s really uh it’s out there i know that um but uh

40:04 that’s that’s been my life so um anything else no i think we can move on

40:10 to you reading excerpts from the chapters now there’s no questions in there okay um

40:16 well i probably would like to talk about my mother a bit because the mother issues i i dedicated a whole

40:22 chapter to that because i grew up uh it’s one of the one of the few people i don’t mind exposing um

40:28 being connected to me is my mom who is a psychotic alcoholic i mean if anybody

40:34 if i inherited anything as far as psychological issues alcoholism

40:40 possibly mind control would definitely be my mother uh she just has all of the classic symptoms of someone being mind control

40:48 and even yuri who i call the deep programmer in my book named yuri he uh he alluded

40:53 to after i described my mother and my experiences with her alluded to the fact that um you know she was probably um

41:00 you know my control but but the programming didn’t go incorrectly and it left her crazy in her outer life whereas i i

41:07 think in my outer life when i walk out the door into the world i i behave and i do everything i can to keep my

41:12 personality at bay even though there’s something your father taught you definitely yeah yeah i mean as far as is

41:19 being well behaved and um and presenting yourself to the world in a a credible manner but my mother was just completely

41:25 the opposite and i haven’t been able to contact her and she’s just i liken her to kind of like a

41:31 reptile that just laid eggs and slithered away i mean i don’t hate the woman but um she uh

41:37 she’s nowhere to be found and i know she’s kind of a key to all of this um so

41:43 i talk about my mother the chapter is called my mother the theme and i miss her because i i when i black out um

41:49 i do my there’s a pattern that’s followed and whenever i black out i

41:54 uh start crying and my mother comes up always comes up and then i then i start getting demonic and growling and this

42:01 pattern has been discovered by louise and she’s um you know obviously knows

42:06 that there’s some issues with i don’t know if there was abuse with my mother she did leave me with abusive babysitters

42:12 um and that part of my life is definitely a huge um part a huge bit of amnesia is there i

42:18 mean i remember bits and pieces of things but there are people that remember being three four five years old i remember nothing about that it’s a

42:25 complete uh blackout for me if you will um so i talked about my mother in this

42:31 uh i don’t know what excerpt i didn’t actually plan to read um anything about this but i’ll just

42:38 describe my experience with her um we we lived in dingy apartments together she

42:43 would drink a lot um she would burn incense it was kind of kind of had a very occultic uh quality

42:49 to it she was very angry woman she would drink and her eyes would blaze red

42:54 and she had lots of boyfriends there’s all kinds of sexual things that would happen

42:59 uh around me that i was privy to um you know she would black out and i’d see her naked as a little kid it was just

43:06 obviously not didn’t have a very good effect on my psyche um but my mother some somebody that i would like to find

43:13 so that i can kind of pick her brain and see maybe there’s some sort of a clue uh in there so

43:19 instead of reading excerpts from the book i think it’s just better just to describe those things from you know and

43:24 let you read the the specifics yourself uh but my mother is definitely um a key

43:30 to all of this i think and uh ultimately i like to find her and i don’t hate her i mean i don’t know how i feel about her because uh

43:36 she’s kind of a stranger to me really do we have anything else on the agenda that we wanted to i don’t want to bore

43:42 everyone here did you read an instrument yeah i’m going to read an exception yeah that’s what you do for curly’s

43:48 party okay well i’ll talk about movies because movies have a huge effect on me and they

43:53 still do uh so i’ll read another movie that had a that really messed with my mind was midnight express

44:00 and uh which was released in 1978 so i was six years old at the time

44:05 my mom dropped me off to see that movie by myself she would often use the movie theater as a babysitter um and it’s

44:11 about an american sent to prison for trying to smuggle hashish out of turkey um and believe me my opinion of the land

44:18 you know called turkey is you know i run into a turkish person i mentioned that moving they give me dirty looks i

44:23 think it kind of tarnished uh the world’s view of the country which i’m sure it’s a beautiful place

44:28 with beautiful people um but in the movie there’s extensive torture uh psychosis despair um and i was you know

44:36 six-year-old sitting alone watching that movie uh the soundtrack in particular pushes my crazy button whenever i hear

44:42 the music from that movie i just i start to get dizzy literally i don’t know what happens um

44:48 but i spiral um quite a bit and um quite often when watching that film um i would

44:54 black out afterwards or uh during a blackout or very deep into a blackout i would seek out the movie and

45:01 only louise would know that because i was so deep in the black eye i didn’t know i was playing the music or watching the film is that what happened

45:08 and i’m in that express yeah you would just call into a little ball and start crying like a baby yeah so whether or

45:15 not the time period somehow there’s some memory encoded in the time period i don’t know but but that movie definitely

45:21 um triggered something within me uh so that’s that was my experience with my mother she also what she had a knack for

45:28 was um let’s see she would lock me out of the apartment not that i’m trying to tell the tale of wall and get any sympathy um but she did all sorts of i

45:34 think neglectful and um abusive things whether it was conscious or not uh to really affect me at that age um and then

45:42 eventually i moved back out to boston with my dad and things were much more stable but then again my behavior at that age i

45:48 started cutting myself at seven years old um and and wiping the blood on my ventriloquist

45:55 puppet um so i um and whether or not that has a connection to mind control or the occult i suspect it does

46:03 but um i compared notes with other people and i don’t recall anyone else saying ah yeah that

46:09 age you cut yourself and wiping on puppets i mean so obviously this behavior pattern is indicative of

46:14 something some issue some abuse or you know that’s repressed and maybe my

46:20 psyche does not want to show me these things so anyway um

46:27 instead of reading excerpts i’d rather just kind of touch upon different areas and then elaborate on them um

46:33 so let’s see any any other particular areas but the juicy paragraph hello

46:39 you read a juicy paragraph okay okay

46:44 i didn’t have one chosen so let’s see what do you think would be interesting

46:52 okay the one with your mother

46:57 that’s pretty sexual though i think um let’s see here okay with me just a

47:02 moment folks louise put me on the spot with this excerpt reading which i didn’t uh

47:08 see it’s the part

47:16 upon each chapter and to to elaborate on them it wasn’t about okay so here i found it um after

47:22 eventually falling asleep uh some sort of moaning son woke me up uh this was one night where my mother was drunk the

47:29 tv was still on and i saw my mom on the couch completely naked uh her legs uh open with one leg dangling off the floor

47:36 i looked at her vagina confused and groggy remember i was six years old um and then a movie trailer came on and

47:43 nobody trailer was for the the shining uh so that when it came out so anyway it was just about to come out or it had

47:50 come out and i was watching the scene where the kid was running through that that maze in the snow

47:55 and of course looking at my mother’s private parts at that age and seeing a horror film trailer really had an effect

48:00 on me and it cemented itself in my psyche um so aside from the few visual snippets of

48:06 childhood i do have uh these are among the more scant uh plot memories from

48:11 that time period um so the scary shining trailer is playing in the background it’s 3 15 a.m i do remember the time uh

48:18 and i’m i’m staring at my mom’s vagina i remember envisioning her nailed to a cross and this is i mean

48:24 from the few things i remember why did i remember this i i remember envisioning her nailed to a cross like jesus he’s

48:30 just coming up look at that and i wondered if i should be eating her brain or heart and that thought has

48:36 never left me i mean that’s that’s pretty gruesome pretty macabre pretty indicative of some serious issues

48:42 um what can i say i’d rather share it now than you know i’ve repressed that too long and that’s who i am um but but why

48:49 that image came into my head at that time after seeing you know her naked and the horror film trailer

48:55 i can’t imagine i mean what connection does it have or was it just random i don’t know but uh that that certainly did occur um

49:03 and let’s see here anything else you want to read about mommy yeah i call her mommy i know it’s

49:09 strange oh well i’ve got some other issues that i write about in the book as well but hey

49:16 everybody has what they’re into so um let’s see here

49:22 running from demons of mind control another thing i wanted to share too is that uh with yuri

49:29 after i had gone off the rails and yuri is the deprogrammer um i had um i wanted to meet him so i sent

49:35 some money to uh to him and to enroll in one of his conferences in michigan and

49:41 basically i was excited to meet him maybe i can get to the bottom of this issue with the mind control and um i was

49:47 it was this is right before i left my ex i was devastated because i uh i was

49:52 sent an email back saying your registration has not been accepted i i guess i was so crazy and so out of

49:58 control at the time they didn’t want me at their conference so if you can imagine that sending somebody 500 bucks to to go to their conference and they

50:04 were like no you’re too nuts man you use the same emails that you send us forget it uh so i was crushed that i

50:11 couldn’t go because i wanted to get to the bottom of the issues i thought that might help uh that was part of what precipitated me

50:17 leaving my ex i was just so depressed and um and then after being banned from that conference that’s when i left and

50:23 um so we have a question from antone and she wants to know um if you can

50:29 speak more about the symbolism and movie maybe also going back to fight club oh oh for sure um

50:35 antoinette i’m not an expert on these things i’ve done my studying up on it um but as far as the symbolism goes i mean

50:42 if you look at i can speak more on triggering i think um in particular with the movie fight club um there’s all

50:49 sorts of symbolism as far as having altered personalities when i first saw fight club i didn’t know about

50:56 the whole aha moment um about the movie where the two main characters were actually the same person

51:01 um and then once i saw that off tyler durden and edward norton’s character were actually

51:07 the same person i mean that’s what really uh triggered my whole obsession with it because i wasn’t exposed to the

51:13 idea of multiple personalities before and then i thought i think it was more subconscious i thought

51:20 wow is this what’s going on with me when i black out i mean uh do i have two maybe more people within me uh and this

51:26 was before i had started studying mind control but it just it flipped a switch in me um so with movies um

51:35 depending on what they use movies like

51:45 i even

51:51 i don’t know i have no proof myself but i have a pretty good

55:46 having issues that are internet so we’re going to wrap it up now uh for those of you that have a few more questions

55:51 oh fantastic okay so

55:56 um i think anthony’s asking um questions there she says

56:02 yes i believe it is all triggers as well do you believe multiple people share multiple similar triggers

56:08 um from what i understand from uh from my experience with it um

56:14 triggering is very specific to the individual it’s uh how you were programmed and what triggers were laced

56:20 into which altars um but but i definitely think that the triggers they put into films

56:26 they’re not directed towards specific individuals so i would think that um

56:31 there are general triggers that go out to certain types of mind control people i can’t imagine them spending you know

56:36 time and money um you know it’s uh some other issue going on here

56:42 mommy um but i can’t imagine them spending uh all that money just to trigger one individual so i think there are

56:49 definitely triggers that um they go out to just people with certain programs in them uh depending on the type of program

56:56 let’s say sexual programming if you watch like the movie um sucker punch uh

57:01 with the girls in the uh the institution or the it was it’s been many years that movie left me with

57:07 headaches and depression for weeks afterwards i mean i really was affected by it so there were triggers in that

57:13 film that were i think specific to me but that being said i’m sure there are obviously many other people with mind

57:19 control but i think that the triggers historical the triggers in the films i think what

57:26 happens is yeah

57:31 maybe just leaking as far as the triggers in the films go what i think happens is that

57:37 there’s a main trigger that can affect uh many people and then their own individual triggers are then like a

57:44 domino effect that main trigger can affect maybe thousands of program people and then that trigger will actually

57:50 activate other triggers specific to them and then you watch their behavior start to spiral uh so i i think that um as far

57:57 as the is that the question as far as the triggers go yes i believe it’s all triggers as well

58:03 do you believe multiple people share multiples from their triggers that’s the question yeah absolutely definitely

58:08 multiple people do but then i do think that ricochet effect louise and i’ve analyzed my triggers and my behavior and

58:14 it’s like a slow burn something affects me you know one week and then slowly but surely my behavior starts to get um

58:21 aggressive or depressed or something extreme and then before you know it i i’m i’m freaking out or um you notice

58:28 that the triggers are are definitely it’s not so obvious they can be quite

58:33 subtle fragile yeah you know one yeah there’s like a hidden trigger and

58:39 then there’s multiple triggers after that yeah it’s i mean it’s actually quite fascinating and insidious if you think

58:45 about it if you just separate yourself from the fact that yes it’s negative and it’s evil and it shouldn’t be happening

58:50 but but very clever from whoever created this stuff i just know that i can’t say it’s true i

58:56 can’t prove it but i can say the effective tan on my life if it does indeed exist i don’t know

59:02 um and then she said because i’ve researched and found when people talk of being triggered it always comes back to

59:08 similar triggers in relation to each other rules depend how you were programmed really

59:13 how you were programmed and also i think what sometimes certain programs have more of an effect on you in your life

59:19 some stick and some don’t i think or some uh go dormant and um and depending

59:24 on what you expose yourself to i think on an unconscious level there are people that somehow know what

59:30 they should avoid and then they can resist it enough and then um those triggers aren’t uh you know activated

59:36 whereas other ones i mean they’re just certain movies i just need to watch um and it is a risk but i just know that by

59:43 writing i have not freaked out i haven’t gone off the rails like i did in the past but yeah i mean i still expose myself to

59:50 things that are triggering it’s uh it’s not an it’s not they can’t switch it on and off there’s some people that judge it and think i’m just you know flirting

59:57 with disaster here or or i’m actually part of their agenda and i’m actually doing this to trigger other people i

1:00:03 mean if that’s true i’m not conscious of it so i’m just doing the best i can to be healthy and not be crazy anymore

1:00:12 um somebody some other people are joining those teams like all the time in the morning

1:00:18 do you know i’ll work alright elric’s here yes um we’ve been going for about an hour

1:00:23 okay so i think they thought it was um it’s just about ten past two now here there was very interesting i had gotten

1:00:29 the timing wrong of those things and i was sleeping the things i was woken up for hey elric how are you it’s good good

1:00:35 to uh hear from you glad you could make it and uh yeah the stuff with the time zones uh it’s confusing as hell for me

1:00:42 i’m not a math person once you throw time zones and i get very confused so um

1:00:48 but that we’re actually we’re just going to wrap wrap it up um and it will be um it’s been recorded

1:00:54 i think it was the most perfectly um produced uh event but it was all quite honest and and and sincere uh but alert

1:01:02 if you have any questions uh feel free to chime in um anything that you’re curious about uh

1:01:12 okay uh so i was discussing the book itself for those of you that just joined us uh

1:01:17 discussing the book we had some good questions on triggers and um specific to mind control um and

1:01:25 yeah i’ve done my best as far as answering them with my i always say i have limited expertise with this stuff

1:01:30 i’m just i’m just groping around in the dark really there’s plenty online there’s plenty of research one can do

1:01:35 but but does that make it true does that make make you you know credible i’m not going to be a self-styled expert on this

1:01:42 stuff i’m still learning and it’s it’s often just trial and error i think the most important thing is to

1:01:48 observe yourself and to observe your behaviors really step outside yourself and and

1:01:54 watch how you think in your random thoughts and the things that you’re attracted to or drawn to is there a

1:02:01 pattern something changed where you’re seeking certain things out that you weren’t before this can all be

1:02:06 indicative of a trigger uh process occurring and it definitely reverberates you know

1:02:13 throughout it’s not something that happens you’re triggered and then you’re not anymore it’s definitely a build up at least for me it has been okay

1:02:22 but for those of you that uh that did make it uh alright sorry man um uh i’ve gone on and on for about over an

1:02:29 hour we’ve had some technical issues as well so i just want to say thank you all for uh your patience in dealing with

1:02:35 that there will be a recording of this after i watch it i don’t think it sucks i’ll put it up i don’t know if it’s uh

1:02:41 if it’s worthy of going up or not afterwards but uh once again the book is now uh 12

1:02:47 um in print and um 299 kindle uh if you do read it i would greatly appreciate it

1:02:54 if you could put a review up on the amazon author page just a short review make it honest you don’t have to say

1:03:00 wonderful things about it you can just just be honest about what you thought about the book uh those are the best reviews are the ones that are people can

1:03:06 tell when they’re just all happy wonderful stuff and they know

1:03:13 so it says just a comment love the henna soundtrack in the x exploration um

1:03:18 videos great movie symbolism as well in that movie so she’s uh talking about the montauk videos and how we use the henna

1:03:25 stuff i’ve been putting up uh the hannah movie really had an effect on me um it really did it also left me in kind

1:03:32 of a funk but i’ve watched it several times since then and louise cut all of that video and she put a lot of work

1:03:37 into it i nagged her because i’m 42 and i can’t do that stuff she’s 31 32. she’s

1:03:43 young and knows how to do all these things 21 there you go yeah that would make me kind of a creep though

1:03:50 um so she did all of that that was her a great work out yeah we did collaborate on what music to use but that was huge

1:03:56 mind control movie in my opinion uh the hannah film uh with all of the you know the assassin

1:04:02 uh programming and whatnot uh i really enjoyed that remember the first time you watched it with me you guzzled like

1:04:08 almost three liters of water yeah that was when i first arrived in new zealand and then yeah i mean what i used to do

1:04:14 is just i would take huge amounts of speed pills after i left my ex i stopped exercising for

1:04:19 um maybe 15 years turned into a pot belly old man and then once i left her i had

1:04:25 some time to exercise my lung commute was over and then i went back into my speed addiction and would just take tons

1:04:30 of speed and work out and then go home and guzzle i mean a bottle and a half two bottles

1:04:36 of wine every night of the week obviously not healthy but i was really screwing with my my body and i don’t

1:04:41 know if that was connected to mind control you know slowly slowly destroying myself or not i can’t say

1:04:47 but um just lots of up and down stuff that occurred um find a place of stability now but

1:04:52 you know still a bit and um alright would like to know i’d like to hear more about why yuri

1:05:00 and you fell out if you know if you want to share that so that’s it’s a great question alright

1:05:06 and um many of you that may have read the book or or just have been involved in the mind control subject

1:05:12 long enough i’m sure you know who yuri is all i can say is that he was very supportive um i thought he had an agenda

1:05:18 when we first started communicating we we actually had i mean swapped six seven emails a day i mean

1:05:25 why i mean this guy has all these people following him and and he chose to focus on me but yet didn’t try to sell me

1:05:30 anything so i think that the connection was was definitely genuine definitely sincere and you’re

1:05:36 asking about the falling out and i’m going on about that about this part um but but all i can say about yuri is that

1:05:41 um i was writing for him i had done a deprogramming journal on his website and

1:05:48 right before i left new zealand i was in boston living in my office because i lived in my office twice uh it’s a long

1:05:53 story so um you’re his wife and contacted me yuri and i have i mean

1:05:58 literally the emails between us are all saved i mean we’ve got a lot of a lot of material there all of my crazy emails in

1:06:05 the beginning i mean stuff that right when i first started communicating with him when i read it now i was so unstable

1:06:10 um and um so we decided to collaborate on that about two years later and do a deprogramming journal on his website and

1:06:18 i thought it was fantastic i enjoyed it it was my first step into writing and interacting with folks and kind of

1:06:23 sharing you know my experiences um and then um you know what occurred is that i was in new zealand i was still

1:06:29 writing i was we were posting entries from our emails and then i was elaborating on my current

1:06:35 situation in relation to them and um what happened was uh for whatever reason

1:06:40 they got really busy um you know with their website they’ve got quite a business they travel a lot and i didn’t

1:06:47 have the outlet anymore i didn’t have the outlet to to write because there was nothing going on with with that

1:06:52 particular collaboration so i started the blog and that’s why i started writing for myself because i needed to

1:06:57 write um you know more than once every two months i needed to do this every day just to get through my work day i just

1:07:03 can’t stand working so not working but just doing you know i work in an office it’s just dreadfully boring uh wasn’t

1:07:10 fulfilling me so i needed to write every day i didn’t have that outlet with with yuri in his website so i started the

1:07:16 blog uh and then i started um writing for another individual uh connected to uh to

1:07:23 yuri and his wife and um i think they got upset about that because um

1:07:29 you know they wanted me writing exclusively for them uh so once they they realized that that’s pretty much

1:07:35 well true well the thing is is that you were right you weren’t really writing for them you were sending them entries

1:07:41 and they were posting them or not posting them yeah it just wasn’t happening and then they stopped communicating with

1:07:48 you for about three months and you your blackouts were getting progressively worse getting the stress we were under

1:07:54 at the time yeah and that is when i said why don’t you just write your own blog and if they do come back to you can

1:08:00 continue to write for them yeah and they did come back to you but they wanted you to be exclusive they

1:08:07 didn’t want me to have my own stuff going on which is very strange for me i mean i thought it would be a mutually um

1:08:12 beneficial situation where i could write um post entries with them and and be very reliable with that i’m a reliable

1:08:19 person if i say i’m going to do something i will um so i saw no issue with it i could have both going and i

1:08:24 could have my outlet well you also had quite attraction and the following building up in your blog blog spot area

1:08:29 yeah and that made a lot of you know sense to keep that and you don’t want to lose that

1:08:34 so i mean if you could just stop just stop doing my own thing and just for them so you know i explained it to them

1:08:40 that i would like to continue both um and uh for whatever reason they weren’t happy with that they also knew that i

1:08:47 was writing for another person um connected to them but he had his own business i’d rather not mention him here uh his website is changing now and i

1:08:53 write for him and i think they didn’t like the fact that i was i don’t know what it was you know i

1:08:59 think you also need to touch on like yuri and his comfort conference

1:09:04 confrontational what looks this um unconventional way of doing things

1:09:10 and how you you know he talks a lot about um mind control and programming and even

1:09:15 though he’s played a huge catalyst in your life you really need to touch on how

1:09:21 it’s not really where you’re going do you know well i mean my goal is to be healthier that that’s

1:09:26 what my goal is and yuri played a pivotal part in my life because he was a catalyst for me

1:09:32 um moving out of a bad marriage and really trying to get myself stable it was definitely asymmetrical i mean i

1:09:38 got worse before i got better i would get better then that would get worse again uh and then finding my way to new

1:09:43 zealand was just i mean a life-saving experience i’m i’m going to have more a more conventional life now but um if

1:09:50 whatever reason yuri and i just our paths um he was was not happy with what i was

1:09:56 doing on this end and and the decisions i made and um you know i was still willing to be friends with

1:10:02 him but for whatever reason i think the issue with the writing writing for maybe a competitor i don’t

1:10:07 know something to that degree uh upset them and um as a result we don’t

1:10:12 communicate anymore and since what last october november that we’ve communicated

1:10:17 and you know what it is what is i have no animosity toward them at all i would i don’t have any issue with being

1:10:23 friends with them but they they seem to have taken it the wrong way that i’m i’m you know writing for another individual

1:10:29 along with my own stuff that situation is a much better deal for me and and um you know this person’s not

1:10:36 placing any demands on me to be exclusive to you know his side which you know i’ve got a lot of creative energy

1:10:42 and i’d rather get it out then repress it and go back to where i was before

1:10:47 that answer the question yeah yeah so that that’s the reason that um

1:10:53 yeah i had the falling out with fury but you know i like i like

1:11:00 yeah we agreed to disagree i mean there was no argument or fighting and over the years yuri and i definitely triggered

1:11:05 each other i mean with the emails we had we had a very i think bizarre relationship as far as our interactions

1:11:11 with each other um we we would say freaky things to each other just off hand it wouldn’t be in

1:11:17 along the line of business we just talked talk some crazy stuff and

1:11:22 i think we triggered each other and um you know so at times it wasn’t healthy

1:11:28 you know for for me and probably not for him and that’s i think part of the reason that um yuri’s wife didn’t want me at

1:11:35 their conference i think it really had to do with her because of the effect that i had on yuri and that’s understandable i mean that’s they have a

1:11:41 business they don’t need some crazy guys showing up to their conference and they didn’t know how i was going to react to being around yuri um and maybe she

1:11:48 didn’t know how europe reacts to me you know he um insinuating that we insinuated that we had a connection

1:11:55 possibly at montauk i don’t know but whatever connection we had was

1:12:01 something that was creating these triggers between us and um you know that’s where it stands now and

1:12:07 maybe we’ll be friends again in the future i don’t know um but i have no issue with them at the moment

1:12:13 any other questions there um all right folks well for those of you

1:12:19 that did make it i really appreciate you coming um pick up a copy what’s this creepy about the older

1:12:25 temple the oto oh the oto well this is a tough question to answer because um

1:12:32 a lot of oto folks they read my stuff and the first thing i’m going to say to anybody involved in

1:12:37 the oto and crowley i am not an expert on the oto or magic

1:12:42 i screwed up we’re not sacrificing children here

1:12:47 um i um i’m not an expert on magic or the oto i had a brief experience with both

1:12:54 and what i write about is is my ensuing um you know the effect it had on me um

1:13:00 so first of all the oto folks say oh this guy doesn’t know his stuff he doesn’t know he’s talking about i don’t i’m not an expert on that i know what i

1:13:06 know but i don’t delve into it very much anymore um but the oto folks that moved in when

1:13:11 i was demon conjuring they had lived up the street um they just had a really i’m not saying that that reflects on the oto

1:13:18 but they just had a really weird vibe about them and they kind of moved in and took over it was a boyfriend girlfriend and they

1:13:23 moved in to pick up the the slack with the rent because my roommates freaked and they left and they left me alone in

1:13:28 the three bedroom apartment so they moved in to help the rent but they just brought this astral funk with them um

1:13:34 that just pushed me over the edge i had to get out of there um so i’m not that’s no reflection on the oto or anybody that’s into

1:13:41 um oto related stuff um i interact with folks that are into that and um just as

1:13:47 a you know as a disclaimer i’m not claiming to know a whole lot about magic or or the oto

1:13:53 but but there are some some parallel i think interests that we have um i hope that answers the question it

1:13:59 wasn’t the other that was creepy but i was just not in a place for whatever reason it triggered me to leave and to

1:14:05 go to move in with the other woman that that i was married to okay

1:14:12 all right so i once again appreciate you coming by sorry it wasn’t as uh organized as we had hoped uh next

1:14:19 time we do this we’ll be all the wiser for it next time i know i i harass her to do all the

1:14:25 technical stuff so and i just write and blabber away but once again if you read the book i

1:14:30 really appreciate if you put up a review on the um the amazon page any feedback you have just be honest about it i can

1:14:36 handle it and um it’s not an ego trip sharing the stories has kept me healthier and it’s leading me down other

1:14:42 paths of my life and um you know like i said you know where to find me on facebook and i hope you have

1:14:48 a great rest of your weekend one thing about being in new zealand is we’re a bit ahead and friday is great because

1:14:54 it’s thursday for you guys but on sunday you’re still on saturday and i’m jealous uh so take care and i hope to hear from

1:15:01 you all again soon

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Interview from 2012 with Blood Ritual Monarch and Stewart and Janet Swerdlow in which Blood Ritual Monarch is still working out how to deprogram and what happened to him.

2012 Apr 15 Odysee Blood Ritual Monarch Interviewed by Stewart and Janet Swerdlow on Wolf Spirit Radio [1c] 51 min 15s

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[2] 2020 April 5 cathyfoxblog Montauk Boys – Blood Ritual Monarch  https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/montauk-boys-blood-ritual-monarch/

Transcript

I would like to to make things move around the room 42:52

you are listening to infinite realities of wolf spirit radio

0:24 helping you harness the infinite power of your mind

0:35 presented today by Stewart and Janet swerdlow

0:47 you

0:54 you

1:06 it’s a good party trick well well actually I find that fascinating because

1:14 what you’re experiencing may very well be going into an altar that has

1:20 different traits and characteristics physically than your regular self and so

1:26 you’re kind of proving that the DNA can change its range of manifestation simply

1:33 by going into an altar soft I think that’s for interesting shut up now

1:39 anyway to mitigate that stored or at least two to observe it as it occurs is

1:45 there any obviously with the deprogramming for a call well that that was my next thing and that is your

1:52 continuing your deprogramming process yes oh I definitely am at the moment I’m

1:58 doing just the basics very consistently are on merger t-bar balancing chakra

2:04 spinning and ultimate protection and I have settled into a new life so if one time I’m secure in my outside world I’m

2:11 going to delve back into the more intensive protocols with them dragonfly and their frequency or not okay I’m just

2:19 wondering if maybe you need to cycle through some of the altars that you have

2:26 in you now because of this changing and your lifestyle that you’ve made and in your location so that as these things

2:35 come up it might be a good idea as you notice changes in yourself to just take

2:41 a look at that a flush and merge of course and keep careful notes about what

2:46 the manifestations were and what might have triggered them and that was another

2:52 question that i have is are you becoming aware of what actually triggers you i am

2:59 a to an extent i haven’t had a full-on blackout in about five months i’m very proud of that I’ve never been afraid of

3:07 just blacking out on a moment’s notice when I was drinking them all there’s something within me that’s very in

3:13 control of that and I only expose yourself in the right environment and around the right people

3:19 the source of the triggering isn’t always easy to trace but the symptoms are generally a spaced-out kind of a

3:26 disembodied theory along either emotion or no emotion whatsoever and I mean

3:32 they’re completely non communicative or I’m very hyper and quite often I feel

3:38 something kind of take its place behind my eyes and and my eyes gets kind of a

3:44 flaring look to them and I’m told my body language taste changes very distinctly as well almost and I move in

3:51 a robotic fashion you know what I think is interesting and you’re describing things very well very eloquently what

3:59 you’re going through and you’ve obviously spent time thinking and studying about it but I know a lot of people when they first start thinking

4:06 about am I programmed or not a lot of people say I can’t remember my turn would and to me that’s a major red flag

4:13 that if you can’t remember your childhood then there are some kind of issue and in fact we’re just talking in

4:19 the April as attitudes and AB stitute journal the blog that that I run for the violent members and above we’re talking

4:27 there about some people writing me say now happy they were and then you go on to say a variety of other things that

4:33 don’t make them sound so happy and I said well let’s take a look and I think what you’re talking about again with a

4:40 heightened awareness is what many people go through without any awareness at all and where you’re talking about okay i’m

4:47 walking out with no emotion these people are numbing themselves and because

4:52 they’re numb and not hurting but therefore they label that happy which i think what you’re doing is more correct

4:57 you’re saying okay there’s no emotion doesn’t mean i’m happy i just numb that out and now you took at the extra step

5:04 to consciously invoke the amnesia whereas these people are did you know

5:09 what happened basically chil I’m starving and then I’m putting them pointing it out of making them think back to that Oh another thing I wanted

5:18 to mention Janet as far as the triggering is um I would say that the years that were almost foggy for me were

5:25 ages four to eight when I was living with my alcoholic mother and she any mention of

5:32 her anything that she would say to me as a child severely triggers mean she

5:37 always mention of her sent me into a spiral so that’s one other trigger area

5:42 that them she also expose me to several babysitter’s that were sexually abusive so my time with her was although it’s

5:51 difficult to remember the different pieces that I do remember work and that

5:56 and I think to as you continue and get deeper into your deprogramming work what

6:02 we want to do is get you down around that age of four but you have to be strong enough to to see it and again

6:08 that is what you’re doing right now is getting that relationship developed and

6:13 a very strong way self Oversoul god mind as I say you become very strong so that

6:20 you can bend in the wind but you don’t break and so of course you don’t want to go down into these emotions at that age

6:26 until you know that you are going to be strong enough to handle whatever comes out because as you get there and we

6:33 start pulling out more and more things are embedded now you will have the tools to deal with and where’s the

6:39 four-year-old you don’t have the tools and this is what happens to most people and as I said you know you you’re

6:45 extremely intelligent and if you were not intelligent if you were not strong you are not a survivor for the things

6:51 that you have been strange things that maybe you do or interest you or you explore and a lot of times they don’t

6:57 want to acknowledge that within themselves and I think highly intelligent people explore a variety of

7:02 pink and you know what you’re doing why you’re doing it added in the midst of everything you still hold yourself

7:09 together you still said hey I made a contract to come here to this earth plane I’m sticking it out I mean there

7:14 are times you could have exited but instead hey here you are you’re still doing that you know you went through your ex-wife you’re into a better

7:20 relationship you’ve moved I mean you’re still here you’re still going I think that’s admirable for anybody who’s

7:27 program and I think there are a lot of lessons here for people to learn and a very fine example for others to follow

7:33 Oh actually I think you just said you’re a role model that that is delightful and

7:40 given what you know I me Stewart it’s what ironic oh well

7:47 well you know what Rupert you are a good person and I think that you are a good

7:53 role model for other people doing the green spiral staircase occasionally

7:58 faces will pop into my head faces for my past but right now the only result I get

8:04 it I get cold and I completely shut off emotionally i guess i can’t speak and it’s not a decision that has affected my

8:12 relationships at times i just i simply can’t get out of it and the only I’m not over that is just going to sleep on I

8:19 wake up I’m chipper it always goes away you know with a good sleep but right now

8:24 it’s just ice cold bodies and I just can’t reveal that might be that during

8:31 those years maybe your environment was physical cold you know as far as emotions and temperature and do you

8:39 probably went within yourself in order to deal with all of that so that makes sense that you have those reactions to

8:44 that time and as well like you talked about to help shut down the emotions you retreat inside and as the person who

8:52 would be in control of your physical more than what people understand the fact even was steward in the programming

8:57 that he went through you know we kind of he kind of laughs and I kind of ambassador if I laugh or not sometimes

9:03 but I said you know it’s your stubbornness that kept you alive it’s your temperament that kept you alive because you know most people don’t

9:10 survive these kind of things so when you go inside you get into that sense of being cold I really believe that you’re

9:16 pulling yourself in and it could be in preparation for or departing the physical body amongst other things so

9:23 there’s lots of ways that people shield themselves from the trauma and the

9:29 torment that takes place during the programming sessions and the more you can understand why you go through and it

9:37 explained your current temperament as well as what you can need you to get out of it because in order for you to make

9:44 any progress you have to be able to label it so that you can repeat it on a conscious level and I just have

9:50 accidentally fallen here accidentally fallen there either positive or negative what did i do how did I get here how am

9:57 I going to get out of it and so even with the green spiral staircase instead of um you know going down so many rungs

10:04 go down just a little ways you need a pure it’s down on the top and pearance the green spiral staircase and see what

10:10 comes up and when that becomes so you can not black out or not feel cold then

10:16 maybe get on that first run or put one foot on the first run or put partly on the first rung a little tiny bit at a

10:23 time so that you can start to maintain consciousness over what’s happening you

10:29 can get that label so then you can release it and go the next step because my feeling is for you the same as i know

10:36 for stewart and many other people you get on that green style spiral staircase and basically you’re on the road to

10:42 trauma and consciously you don’t want i just start studying down so that makes perfect sense to me as well so i’m going

10:51 to apply that janet and i’m going to you know be diligent about practicing even more than feasible yeah and then but

10:57 then when you do please write about that in the journal there because we would like to know you know how is it does

11:03 this work and what happens to your process that you’re going through and so willing to share is helping many other

11:10 people who are afraid I mean you’ve really had no choice it would just kind of thrown into the pot and like i said is either survive or die and a lot of

11:17 ways that’s Stewart as well so what we want to do is get you to that point where you can look at something without

11:23 falling into the old pattern and by your sharing on that journal it certainly helps other people understand their own

11:30 process oh I know I’m sorry go ahead the

11:36 beauty you go ahead please there was one of those subject I really can’t talk about this with anyone else so this is a

11:42 wonderful opportunity after moving halfway across the world I started to

11:47 get into contact with some old friends in particular the roommates that I had this was back in nineteen ninety-five in

11:55 an apartment I had started to study the afterlife for reasons I can’t go into

12:01 too lengthy but I have this great idea to summon demonic energies and I asked

12:08 this if he could remember anything about that particular requirement as all the remains are pretty much free doubted

12:13 what I was doing in my bedroom and he told me something that I had absolutely no memory of whatsoever i really freaked

12:20 me out or that i kind of retracted and they stopped speaking he said that he came home one night to find me trying to

12:27 contact the spirit of jeffrey dahmer through the evocation mirror and I just

12:32 went cold when he told me that because I like to think I remember things for my 20s but it totally freaked me out and

12:39 then recently while watching a documentary on gamma I was amazed at the

12:45 similarity in his recounting of these blackouts and loss of memory as well as

12:51 his personality switching they were alcohol induced just like mine so I just

12:57 I was just shocked that I’m not that I’m trying to align with this individual but just the blackouts and we’re so similar

13:04 but I thought perhaps you mentioned he was an alien entity and human body but

13:09 would there be any programming parallels with with that type of behavior oh absolutely and I’ve seen that many times

13:17 before and just as an aside because of what you’ve mentioned you know this

13:22 planet has been used as a prison by many other higher civilizations and one of

13:29 the punishments is for the criminal to be incarnated into a human body and suffer a human life until such time uses

13:38 either killed or poor poor passes on and so when the government to see such an

13:43 individual and they do know when these individuals are present they model a lot

13:50 of programming after the mind patterns of those beings in order for them to

13:56 create assassins you know that kind of thing vigilante stalker is what have you

14:03 so yes absolutely there is those kind of programs that are then imposed on

14:09 certain people with the right kind of genetics ah thank you that helps so much

14:14 i was just so curious about it that i couldn’t put two and two together but there was such a similarity there and

14:21 no interestingly that you mentioned it because last Halloween there was a group

14:27 in portland oregon who tried to invoke Jeffrey Dahmer in a ceremony not sure if

14:35 they were successful or not but I didn’t warn them not to do that to unleash his energy into unsuspecting public no heads

14:44 in my freezer everyone I assure you just

14:49 hands and feet no heads but anyway so I

14:56 wanted to ask you also how and you kind of touched on this but how are you well

15:03 now able to have relationships at work and privately as opposed to back then

15:10 before you knew about programming in c programming well my relationships that

15:15 they have drastically improves into my first consultation with you in 2009 I’m

15:20 doing really well I’m satisfied with a wonderful relationship and actually have

15:25 a couple of friends I had even have any friends before I just said I want a relationship with my ex and quite

15:33 honestly that was it I had no other contact with anyone and whenever I did socialize which I dreaded socializing

15:40 but I do it well I just put on a social persona and people wonder why i don’t

15:47 want to interact socially because they observe how I’m so good at it but it’s painful for me to interact socially but

15:54 right now I mean after the slow gramming and you know thankfully being in contact

15:59 with both of you I can actually have a couple of real friends that I can have a true connection with and not just talk

16:05 about this the boring you know general subjects and I’m just so much happy about this is huge different we know the

16:12 other thing too I think I’m program people oftentimes you know because of

16:17 the thought that goes through they really have not had boundaries with other people and so sometimes being in

16:25 close proximity to others or the thought of it brings up torture type memories on some level and so media

16:31 like you said yes you can do it but there’s a cringing and I think it would hear do programming tools and just

16:36 hyperspace over soaps techniques in general where it teaches you how to establish your boundaries that gives you

16:43 a sense of control and a way of keeping people at length unless you choose to

16:49 allow them in versus the opposite when that other people had their wants and

16:54 Will’s and wave imposed upon you so it gives you again a sense of control over

16:59 a life that you may feel you had no control over you know I also feel my

17:05 self-worth is increased I think I have a lot of I had a lot of low self-esteem but was more on a subconscious level I

17:12 had kind of a confident persona but I wasn’t very confident underneath and now that I feel better about myself on many

17:19 levels I think I’m magnetizing more nurturing relationships and that’s something I really needed that I wasn’t

17:24 even aware of you know I was going to say to it since you kind of opened this little entryway that of course we’re

17:31 going through the relationship journal in my founder and Benjamin of course also anonymous names but with a couple

17:40 things that you put in there which I just posted today I don’t everybody’s had a chance to read them but I thought they were very very good and I actually

17:47 again I admire that you were able to put this together and from and I’m pretty go

17:53 reading the frequencies from what I see behind it I really do believe you’re practicing what you’re preaching and so

17:58 I hope people will have a chance to read what you wrote Thunder Rupert in the relationship journal on the member side

18:04 about founder and Benjamin it was very very good and heartfelt and excellent information so to me that tells me right

18:11 there that you are making progress and you are making something work you can’t see it even if you’re just trying

18:18 because that’s the first step but you can’t see it unless so you’re you doing it you’re lavina it’s amazing I have

18:24 some wonderful support here Oh Jana I really appreciate that on the people inspiring for for short

18:32 someone’s actually writing in on a chat room and they want to know about stock

18:37 or programming and it says it’s different layers of use one that is more

18:43 of a detailed observer recorder out of more extreme examples is this is relevant for Rupert as well so let me

18:50 ask you that question roofer do you feel that you have stalker programming

18:55 where’s your more detailed and observing and recording information well Stuart

19:01 did nice talk to you for quite a while what I like that from one person to

19:09 another you know yeah well when he first started talking I think we actually you

19:15 know I didn’t notice at the beginning but after rereading those old emails that we were actually triggering each

19:20 other and then I had this goal to go to your april two thousand phone conference

19:26 and then I just went off the deep end and I was sending you the most backed out emails I mean just bizarre stuff

19:33 like you and I are little hobbits living in a hut and just I would wake up from black house and go home check the sent

19:39 box or what did i send them today and then the only thing you really could do is we kind of receded because i was just

19:46 in such a unstable place there was no way i could go to that conference and i

19:53 just wasn’t in a place for it and then in between before we started you know contacting each other again i was

20:00 sending you emails all the time in black Ellison you know you wisely just stayed away and let me kind of settle in and

20:06 get balance but I was stalking you at that time as well well I knew that you

20:12 had gone into another altar and I knew that whatever I would say or email my tribute to a different way and since I

20:19 couldn’t personally be there to guide you it was better that I say nothing and that you come out of it and I did send

20:25 you energy for brown merging and violet anyway I think I might have had your

20:31 permission long before that to do so yeah it’s over so level regardless why

20:38 would you do over so well that’s what’s important but but that’s a good example of how even during a deep

20:45 programming process it’s so easy to get back down again or to go you know be

20:51 triggered and activated into areas that you can even know you had so yeah I mean

20:57 I mean that’s actually a good thing that you we talk about that because it shows people you just can’t take things for

21:03 granted and deprogramming and those who want more details be sure you read the 13 cubed book because it is full of

21:11 information it’s a challenging book to get through i have to say but it is full

21:16 of information and one that you may you know that you can refer to as all are all of our books really they’re written

21:22 for you change your going to get different information out of the book depending upon what you’re ready for but

21:27 13 cuba’s excellent place as is their DVD series of mind control programming but it do it’s a little bit more intense

21:35 and then we also have a hyperspace and oldest or advanced hyperspace Oversoul

21:41 and d programming technique so on the website there is a lot of health care for people wondering you know what’s

21:48 going on with me because again like with Rupert you know you’re usually

21:53 specifically program people are highly intelligent so because you don’t see this in society you’re thinking okay I

22:00 don’t fit in what’s wrong with me and like you said Rupert low self-esteem low self-worth issues a lot of time a lot of

22:06 torment oftentimes impersonal and the whole life usually these people have

22:11 difficult life but you’re intelligent enough just to know something’s not right but what is that and how do I

22:17 label it and you can’t deal with something to tell you get that label

22:25 yeah another question I have here is some is the journal that you’ve gone

22:32 online is that the journal helping you or how do you feel about doing the

22:38 journal oh that’s an excellent question i was concerned about it because um as i

22:44 was preparing the entries and going back over the old emails i was actually dipping back into the emotional place i

22:52 was in when we were communicating there was almost a desire to there always has

22:58 been desire to to kind of dive into the trigger pool so to speak just with the

23:05 strap moving visual feelings that were rather enjoyable for a period of time until the blackout was filed but the

23:12 journal itself has really helped me organize where I was then where I am now

23:17 and then also I’m go into some details that I hadn’t thought of before so it’s

23:23 been a wonderful you know way for me a cathartic experience really and just a

23:29 way to heal even more so I mean I can’t thank you both enough you know what I

23:34 think too i want to just elaborate a little bit because a lot of times you know at the beginning when people start

23:40 doing hyperspace Oversoul deprogramming work whatever they get some real immediate results and they can take

23:45 changes but the deeper you go in and the heavier the harder stuff is sometimes

23:51 you don’t see is much change because it’s a little bit by a little bit by a little bit like people who put weight on

23:57 you know half an ounce for I have found out by a bounce how did I get you 15 20 pounds on myself but when we look at it

24:04 that way and then the how far you come you know if people have regardless of

24:10 what they’re doing if they keep that journal I think a good way to actually see your progress is like exactly what

24:17 you did go back where was I six months ago a year ago two years ago and so

24:22 forth you may be surprised how far are you coming in if i hearing you correctly that’s kind of what you’re saying

24:28 through this process itself and that you’re really you’re taking a good look at where was I then and where am I now

24:34 oh it’s all positive Janet and the more I go back and look at it but if I just

24:40 do it in increments you know I notice that it’s affecting my relationships I mean there are so many synchronicities

24:46 that are occurring with right before I look at a particular tract of the old emails something will occur my life now

24:53 and then I’ll look at the emails and then sure enough there are like three or four things that match up so it’s almost

24:58 as if when they can mention in the journal something is shadowing me but in

25:03 a good way Oh watching me through this process and letting me know that it’s kind of a few steps ahead and then

25:09 protecting me sure and I talked about the other evolutionary spiral which means you know

25:15 that instead of going on that some people get that way are they going to circle but when we are really working i think it is more of an upward spiral so

25:22 you do kind of you know you’re you’re using a little bit different verbiage Jenna maybe a little bit different for

25:28 you but as a general rule then we kind of go up and we can look down and see where we were we do cross those same

25:34 type of places again but in a little bit different way and what because we have

25:39 already crossed it in one leg helps us understand where we are now if we’re open to that so it’s no longer a loop or

25:47 a hamster wheel it is that upward evolutionary spiral it keeps you moving along now as far as some you know

25:57 further d programming techniques based on what you both know about me is there anything specific that that I should be

26:03 doing at this point anything that would get some results i’m having issues with with memory blockage and I know that

26:10 Oversoul is not going to allow memories to come through and less unprepared to deal with them and I think I am aware of

26:17 that on one level but on another level at perhaps in an unhealthy way I wanted to see whatever was in my past and

26:23 whatever happens happens and I know that that kind of a reference folks I think that I think that green spiral staircase

26:31 like I talked practices and you said you would try where you’re going to step back and not go so far in you know and

26:37 that’s what everybody wants to know it’s that you know you want to see that boy is a part of ourselves yes we want to

26:42 see but you don’t want to be overwhelmed either I also think that you should start consider using the bear frequency

26:51 because that will help you go into the mind and see what’s there hidden in the cave of your mind and then in

26:57 conjunction with all that use white winged lion wiping dragon frequencies to

27:03 support and empower you so that nothing would trigger you or activate you again

27:08 in what you may see or learn and I had

27:14 another question too I don’t know if it’s the right time to address this but

27:19 during our initial correspondent Stuart mentioned a connection to the black

27:24 madonna magdalen line and since janet is on that Magdalen line I was always curious about

27:31 this specific connection there and you had both mentioned that you know were connected in some way and I’m just

27:38 curious if you could elaborate on that or if there’s anything that would be appropriate to mention you know at this

27:43 time well that’s a that’s a good word appropriate I i can tell you i’ll

27:51 explain to the audience that and of course this is not in standard history

27:58 this is in the Maya dvds of true world history where the Magdalene Mary

28:04 Magdalene answer her to her children came they left the Middle East and they

28:10 went and wandered around Mediterranean till they wound up in the South of France and the daughter Sarah Oh became

28:17 known as the Black Madonna not because of her skin color but because of her a

28:24 propensity to work in the dark rather I called Theia Colts and let’s say that

28:31 the occult Sciences yeah and so she had

28:38 her own lineage and I feel genetically you are part of that and she told it to

28:47 the astral when the demonic entities and all of that and from the back that came

28:53 the lineage in Europe of the witches and warlocks and that kind of thing and it’s

28:59 a very long story I’m not sure Rupert if I answered your question but yes that’s

29:05 the connected that’s the lineage from your I really appreciate that Stewart

29:13 and it does help because I’ve just been noticing synchronicities with Aleister

29:18 Crowley of lon top the Golden Dawn and just literal magic in general the

29:25 synchronicities keep you know I keep running into them the more that I go over the old emails and the more they

29:31 think about adding new entries things just keep kind of creeping up on me and tapping me on the shoulder and pointing

29:38 me after so I thought I would I thought I would address that and the other thing that you have to realize is that people such

29:46 as yourself after those of you who read my article on this site which I’ll just reference as the unholy trinity that is

29:53 in the public side and it talks about say people like yourselves people who

29:58 are specifically programmed you can go much higher than the loss a global

30:05 handlers for those on the bottom half of eternity so they will program people such as yourself and myself to go into

30:13 these areas that are higher than they are because I can’t they can’t maintain

30:20 the energy frequency without spontaneously combusted combusting will

30:25 say and also we are trying to go through these lower hidden areas for the same

30:33 reason and we get that information and they use us for it so there’s a lot of

30:39 stuff that they utilize you for and then the idea is physically can you hold up

30:46 mentally can you hold up and emotionally can you hold up and only the very most powerful people can survive and that

30:54 again is why a lot of this surface to the forefront and makes you want to do that that’s actually the programming so

31:00 what you want to do is you want to get beyond the programming and go to the Oversoul level then you’re over so we’ll

31:06 explain to you a lot of this stuff and that is also one of the reasons why the propensity for drinking and what alcohol

31:13 and for drugs because it will open you to these realms where you have good program to go and that is the same for

31:20 many people and then of course why they’re trying to bring the drugs back again and make up legal blah blah

31:25 because they want to use people and people don’t people think all you know this is great and I’m going to go on a

31:31 nice easy side trip what’s going to happen it’s going to happen it’s kinda

31:36 like what you’re finding out and a lot of program and people that you read about on the news these are going to be people out of control they’re not in

31:42 every control their own mind they’re going to be used their lives will be destroyed in ways that are unimaginable

31:48 because it takes extremely strong people to do these kind of things now that the

31:54 ancient indigenous people did these kind of things but again was a purpose and

31:59 with training not just because they got ahold of some drug or some drink and they could go somewhere and I think you

32:05 understand that and so there’s the intrigue because you’ve been there you’ve done that and you’re trying to

32:10 recollect what you already know without it destroying you and this time you want

32:16 to do with you being in control rather than someone else being in control of you so there’s a lot of stuff going on a

32:22 Stewart says it’s a very deep and detailed story but you can do this via the Oversoul level versus the drinking

32:28 drugging and it’s going to give you a whole different appreciation and a whole different perspective when you get that

32:33 far well I’ll pay you the addictive behaviors are definitely there I am

32:41 aware of them and of course it’s a lot easier to do it through that route than the Oversoul level can so I’m definitely

32:47 going to I still enjoy my red wine but but otherwise have been very healthy and

32:52 that is true I’m glad you brought that point because again I did address the psychic energy versus Oversoul level

32:59 psychic energy you’re going to get their part you better get their farther and faster the Oversoul level you will

33:04 eventually get there but you will be stable and you will be able to handle it so that’s the difference Rupert um our

33:17 listener is asking a corruption of you he wants to know how you think you were

33:22 used as a monarch and how those involvements continue to impose stumbling blocks to healing if at all

33:28 and are you still used officially or have you been put out to pasture ah put

33:35 out to pasture that that sounds like a nice thing in regards to programming that’s for sure I’ll be quite honest I

33:43 can only go with what I’m obsessed with what what’s coming to my mind on a regular basis and things that I think

33:50 about the most as far as locations though it’s either Montauk or it’s

33:56 Antarctica those have been through obsessions even before I mean when I was

34:02 10 11 years old the word Montauk was just a tune in my brain when I I could make a connection then so it’s

34:09 Montauk or Antarctica and then also there’s um I think sexual park liberties

34:16 that are a bit bizarre and I can only relate that to programming experience

34:23 nothing illegal or unhealthy but justjust is archived things as we

34:28 elaborated on in the journal so my only only way to really say I’m still connected to the programming is that I

34:36 still have those mind patterns and I do have some actual dreams here and there that the involve group sex and of course

34:44 being drawn to things you know demonic thing that hey I feel like I’m healthier

34:49 mentally but my mind will still be drawn into those types of occult mind patterns

34:55 and thoughts so that that’s really the only white I have in the tunnel as far as to answering that question that over

35:02 it maybe you can add words to it well I know I think that you did a good job on that and yes I think being put out to

35:09 pasture own programming is a good thing except it doesn’t end it it just says we’re just putting you out here till

35:15 maybe we’re ready to use you yet at some point and you want to be you know on

35:20 your own which is what you’re doing and what you’re working towards and the many

35:26 monarchs when they reach show whether male or female when they reach a certain age they may be used only energetically

35:34 a subsequent to that even until the time that passed on or those that also have

35:41 Tinkerbell programming and addition to the monarch a program which keeps them young looking for a very long period of

35:48 time which rupert i do believe you have that Oh programming and so you can be

35:55 used physically for an extended period of time as well the next question I have

36:01 for you Rupert is you mentioned the Montauk Project and we’ve talked about

36:08 that privately for a bit of time you did

36:14 you actually go there and visit there I below for a visit

36:20 September and it was quite an incredible experience it was it was surreal for me

36:27 because the build up to going had been so many years I had it’s a difficult

36:32 place to get to and I had previously lived in the Northeast and you would think looking at the map it’s not a

36:37 problem but logistically quite a few steps to take to actually get to montauk

36:42 point so I did go the silence there was was definite I mean it was there is such

36:50 a heavy astral vibe to the location I you know videotaped it and it’s just

36:56 it’s steeped in this astral silence and I I still think I’m there because when I

37:04 have moved I would still have during sexual activity flashes of being in the

37:11 Montauk power that would just come out of nowhere so I did I initiate a

37:16 connection or reinitiate a connection to the place by going I don’t know but I still feel strongly connected to that

37:22 location even to this day where you are located now oh absolutely and I thought

37:29 for sure that I’m kind of closer to Antarctica and I thought my you know my focus would be on that location but

37:35 Montauk is is actually just as much of a daily obsession daily I mean literally

37:40 several times a day I’m actually wearing my my lucky Montauk t-shirt right now and I just hop in the ground in the

37:47 claws and that was the first one there so I don’t know Winston away or what but

37:53 it’s always been real that’s very interesting you know that kind of like my obsession with Antarctica you know

38:00 and that kind of thing so some things that we both need to look at I wanted to

38:07 also add um do you ever think you would share your story or have you two ever

38:13 share your story publicly with others that people just ask you about it and conversation or bring something after

38:19 you ever share about your issues with with select individuals and that

38:26 decision is almost made on a subconscious level I’m I fancy myself pretty good at reading how much certain

38:33 people can take my story and what a lot it was a bit of a lead in just based on their eye

38:38 contact and body language I can tell if they’d be open to listening to certain things and I have actually shared a

38:45 little bit of it with certain friends that I know can handle it and quite often I think that they might have

38:51 specific programming as well and they’re kind of magnetized to me because on some level that you want to begin exploring

38:58 that and so my view relationships on what their Oversoul is directing them to

39:03 do versus what the conscious mind want them to do so are most definitely and

39:08 very likely that the ones that you do share with like that personality it’s

39:14 because they themselves have their own issues about it and that’s why you’re resonating with each other to speak

39:19 about it as long as it’s done in a healthy way and I mean given all the

39:25 strange things I’ve been through I have managed to be able to function in the world to go to work keep my mouth shut I

39:32 sometimes have issues with them you know speaking about things I shouldn’t in the social setting just to kind of for shock

39:39 value because i’m bored but but in a proper work environment i haven’t had any issues because I just somehow I’m

39:46 fortunate enough to know to keep my mouth shut and they behave in a certain manner so that I can remain employed and

39:52 still earn a paycheck without going to the nuthouse so I’m thankful for Oversoul for keep me give me function

39:58 well oh but you know that sells a very good sign that you are able to do that

40:04 because you know in in our work we come across people who cannot keep their

40:09 mouths shut I shot him and they tell everybody everything and then they’re labeled as lunatics and then they can’t

40:16 keep a job or relationship and they have a big difficulty so is there a good that you’ve at least had some grounding and

40:23 balance in there and also as well and that you again that you can share because that’s one of the things that

40:29 get on the membership side of the site you know I talked to this about people all the time I call it isolation

40:35 programming that as long as they can keep us apart we can’t help each other but people like you who are willing to

40:41 take a risk and you’re showing very intimate personal details for people so that they

40:47 can understand that an even though they post on our site basically anonymously anyway there’s so many that are

40:54 concerned about talking about certain things and we don’t talk about it you

40:59 know we can’t help each other and even like you’re talking about your friend so ask these questions and you suspect

41:05 probably on some level we’ve got the same thing going on it is really a challenge because all their lives people

41:11 have been shut down you’re not supposed to talk about this you’re not supposed to talk about that and then when you do get into an appropriate venue but people

41:19 who are not going to judge you and criticize you then it is still challenging to open up so I think that

41:25 yeah we really every one of us has to work on that isolation programming that’s the only way we can pull our

41:30 information and move forward as a group mind and I think the key to that Janet

41:36 to be able to continue to share without being labeled it is discernment if your

41:41 discerning just you have to know who to speak to about what and when and

41:47 sometimes you might you might not get it right you’ll get a strange look from someone but if you just asked Oversoul

41:53 to help me you know impulse me at the right time to behave in a certain way so

41:59 that i can continue in the physical world that to have a productive outside life as well as a min and solutely have

42:08 you noticed if you’re psychic or intuitive abilities have increased since your deprogramming it’s a great question

42:16 Stewart I would like to think that they have increased but it’s almost like

42:22 being very close to a television set if you’re right in front of it you see the pixels you can’t see the picture and as

42:27 you step away a picture will come into view other people have told me that I’ve made comments that that seem to be you

42:33 know I have a psychic component to them but I can’t see it myself and it’s very

42:39 difficult for me to make that determination you know I would like to to make things move around the room and

42:45 I’m always into the hole you know slam on dynamite approach which is not always the healthiest thing but very difficult

42:52 for me see whether or not those abilities have increased okay very good actually how is your

43:01 physical health my physical health has improved I actually before I had moved I

43:09 had for years and years taking that it’s called ephedrine hydrochloride for

43:15 working out it’s basically a precursor to amphetamines it’s legal in the United

43:20 States and I have taken this I actually started taking right before I said conjuring demons actually and just so

43:28 the listeners are aware i summon these beings her little but if you use the

43:35 analogy of going on a shark cage dive being in the cage protect you like the

43:40 Magic Circle would and I just wanted to observe those energies from a fake place just to be in the presence of something

43:47 that would give me an adrenaline rush but anyway going back to the health issue i had taken these um no these and

43:55 feta mean based drugs for quite a while and i had some bad liver readings and

44:02 also had too much too much wine drinking as well so since moving my health is definitely improved when I feel a whole

44:09 lot better these are you doing a liver cleanse I’m actually take milk thistle

44:15 on a daily basis that’s my new best friend I had no idea that milk thistle

44:21 could to feel the liver and I mean I’m doing a big plans actually before I take

44:26 health exam coming up in the next few months now with milk thistle just remember after 2-3 weeks it can itself

44:33 become toxic so you want to go on and off of that like maybe two weeks on two weeks off they also don’t stand that

44:41 continuously maybe your dog yeah okay a

44:46 fire a heavier dose of vitamin C is good for the liver as is organic lemon juice

44:52 and lime juice to help clean the liver out and greens but you know the grain juicing I had no idea about these in my

45:00 approach with everything has always been take more so I I’ll take six and i’ll

45:06 just keep everything was just handfuls of pills in the bath though it’s good to notify

45:11 that’s a good thing you brought it up we would have won he went to do the journal

45:16 after a while a little adjusting you know might as well do 10 times more

45:22 that’s always been there the mentality unfortunately that says that’s how they think in Texas I think you know well

45:31 actually what Denali we have just a few minutes left to what messages do you

45:36 have for other male monarchs well I thought about this quite a bit basically

45:44 to remember that you’re not a victim from an oversold perspective you’ve chosen the experience of being

45:49 programmed and one of the things that Jan had said to me almost three years

45:54 ago was enjoy the process you know so basically make this work for you and not

46:00 against you and that’s completely your choice that type of an attitude is going

46:05 to help you take your power back you really need a healthy sense of humor and a good friend once told me that feeling

46:12 don’t like laughter so it said if this is them off and they leave in a hot so

46:17 keep your moods light and and if you do notice anyone in your environment that

46:23 has handle or tendon please do yourself a favor and don’t judge them because they’re not evil people there’s no need

46:30 to polarize it they’re not consciously out to get you or destroy your life it took me a long time to come to that

46:36 understanding and there is a good way to keep handlers in check if they are family members and you really can’t get

46:42 rid of them completely there is a way to decide step those behaviors and you can

46:48 actually learn quite a bit about yourself by observing the handlers in your environment and practicing emotional and verbal impulse control

46:55 when they’re up to their irritated trick well that’s that’s very good point there

47:01 um also I was going to say it’s from male monarchs I think many of these guys

47:09 have almost an embarrassment for being part of that that makes them feel less

47:16 powerful less masculine what have you especially knowing that they’ve been used a certain

47:21 kinds of ritual and so it’s a good thing that you and I’m where that you

47:27 mentioned that there are victims or that whatever reason and there’s psyche

47:33 they’ve allowed this to happen and the whole point of becoming aware of it and doing the programming is to get your

47:40 power back entity who and what you really are and to reintegrate your personality to the way it’s supposed to

47:46 be I think that you’re doing a pretty good job with that well without their

47:53 both of you are Stuart and Janet I would be have no idea where idea might not be

47:58 in my body anymore so I can’t thank you both enough really I mean it’s just the past three years have been such a

48:04 concentrated life journey for me the first 34 35 years of my life 30 years of

48:11 my life you know just kind of a boring March and then all of a sudden I I meant the both of you and nothing’s have

48:17 really concentrated and amplified by put in a very positive way from Thank You

48:24 Rupert and you know you’re doing a tremendous job with that journal because you like Janet mentioned earlier and

48:32 really are becoming a role model for so many people out there who say well you

48:38 know if he can do it then I can do it and there’s nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed and you just have to

48:44 especially these days you know we’re living in the activation of end time programming so everything that we can

48:51 imagine is being that set up all the switches are being flipped and you are a

48:57 good example of how you can be grounded and balanced and move forward make

49:02 tremendous changes in your life despite everything going on around you and go in

49:08 a positive direction even while the rest of the world isn’t so a lot of kudos to

49:13 you a Rupert for what you’re doing and I’m so happy that you are becoming an

49:18 example for all the readers out there well it’s a great pleasure in that big

49:24 hugs to you both in that you know as I said I could not be happy right now and healthy right now without the both of

49:30 you well we intended it should only get better for you and you know a lot of times and this is kind

49:36 of my against thing I guess I’ve kind of seen it from myself it’s like you’re thrown in the middle of the jungle without any tools and you’re supposed to

49:42 find your way through it and I think okay I’m out there cutting my path and then whoever can I can follow that path

49:49 is going to be there behind me and I think in a way it’s the same for you you know you’re in the middle of that jungle

49:54 and by cutting through though that path you’re allowing other people to see hey there is a way out of here and if we

50:01 didn’t put ourselves in the line of fire so to speak we couldn’t help others in the same way so it’s challenging as it

50:07 can be it is enjoying the process and we thank you so much for your sharing with

50:14 us and we look forward to communicating with you on the deprogramming journal in the membership side of expansion Scott

50:19 is much success to you Rupert and thank you for being part of our show today and

50:25 thank everybody for listening it was really an eye opener and we’re so appreciative of all of you so until next

50:31 time this is Stuart a swirl of voice for infinite realities and expansions calm

50:37 bye see you next time so long now thank you

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hi everyone

0:03 and uh welcome today it’s amina motala

0:05 and i’m here with

0:06 a beautiful girl named jehsara and we met

0:09 july 1st when norman traversing marched

0:11 his

0:12 documents down to the us embassy last

0:14 week they did it was such a big day

0:16 um so much such a great day actually a

0:19 lot of canadians came down supported us

0:21 and

0:21 i had the pleasure to meet you and learn

0:24 a little bit more about you

0:26 and i find you fascinating i love your

0:28 energy

0:29 um there’s a lot going on obviously a

0:32 lot of

0:32 you know subjects that we talk about

0:34 don’t talk about and

0:36 a lot of silence oh i gotta adjust here

0:38 a little bit

0:39 there we go actually i i follow part of

0:42 your page and

0:43 thank you i’ve been following uh facts

0:45 versus feelings yeah on youtube with

0:46 norman

0:47 uh and rick as well so i’ve been uh

0:50 following that since last year

0:51 so i find it remarkable when canadians

0:54 you know

0:55 go above and beyond to try and uh

0:58 defend the law of canadian citizens and

1:01 it’s something where

1:02 over 40 years of my life i’ve been you

1:04 know re-silenced over

1:06 a lot of trauma and about two years ago

1:09 i decided when i moved to the nation’s

1:10 capital

1:11 out of all places to start searching for

1:13 the help that i deserved

1:15 the help that i needed for my trauma and

1:18 it was

1:19 a very

1:22 it was more than a disappointment it was

1:25 just almost

1:26 criminal to a point where i was being

1:28 let go by

1:29 services i wasn’t getting the help that

1:31 i needed

1:32 i was on waiting lists for nine to 12

1:34 months and i’m like this is

1:36 insane why aren’t women or children

1:39 being given

1:40 offered care or talk therapy immediately

1:43 it’s someone that’s something they need

1:44 to get over

1:45 if they need to function in a job or in

1:47 the world with the rest of

1:49 humanity we need someone to talk to

1:50 right away

1:52 so a lot of the hotlines were things of

1:53 what i survived with over

1:55 my trauma of either trafficking or child

1:58 abuse

1:59 and july 1st was a specific date in my

2:02 life

2:02 where in 1980 a very

2:05 very dark sinister part of my past

2:09 of a ritual attack by so many people

2:12 involved and covered up by

2:13 police in july 1st 1980 both me and

2:17 another young female was involved

2:20 and i decided that i wanted to stop

2:22 having that day

2:23 is uh my ptsd my traumatic memory of

2:26 like every time i hear the fireworks

2:28 and and every time you know people are

2:30 screaming canada day

2:31 it was a memory for me of decades of

2:34 trauma

2:36 and when i had children i tried to get

2:38 over that re-silence with

2:40 you know internal corruption with either

2:42 family services or whatever help i was

2:44 trying to get

2:45 the help was never there it’s always

2:47 silence unfortunately

2:49 i said well what would be a way that i

2:50 could change my

2:52 my future and change my trauma it’s in

2:55 my control

2:56 sure because really you need to just to

2:58 decide

2:59 whether you want to get better or not or

3:01 whether you’re going to let someone

3:02 dictate to you what’s wrong with you

3:04 so last year i was again

3:07 trying to get help i went to a walk-in

3:09 clinic here in ottawa

3:11 and i started discussing names of very

3:14 high officials

3:15 involved in my human trafficking and

3:17 that’s a problem when you mention names

3:19 i would imagine

3:20 in this country and they sent

3:23 the nation’s police after me to have me

3:25 arrested

3:27 and uh the two men came at night and

3:29 were jingling my door

3:30 i’m like i’m reporting police officers

3:33 and high officials you know raping me in

3:35 my lifetime i really don’t appreciate

3:36 you

3:37 jingling and i had them on facebook

3:38 because i was worried for my own safety

3:40 they were trying to like open my door i

3:42 was in an apartment

3:44 so the next morning they sent the female

3:46 officers because i told them i wouldn’t

3:47 open the door

3:48 the female officers were supposed to be

3:49 there to just talk to me the doctor had

3:51 nothing in the note to say that i was to

3:54 be admitted to the hospital

3:55 for reporting child rape um and from

3:58 there

3:59 they handcuffed me put my hands behind

4:02 my back and arrested me

4:03 for reporting being raped as a child and

4:06 by naming officials

4:08 so i went to the hospital but i’m part

4:10 of a citizen commissioner of human

4:12 rights here in ottawa

4:13 and so i immediately called them i said

4:15 the jig is up they’re trying to silence

4:17 me they want to try and drug me they

4:19 want to try and

4:20 use psychiatry as some excuse for for me

4:23 reporting

4:24 my abuse and within an hour this little

4:27 woman was like

4:28 coming in her her name is wendy and i

4:31 find her a remarkable

4:33 human being like you need other human

4:34 beings like norman

4:36 and and some of these advocates out

4:38 there to come in and help because

4:39 there’s so many bullies

4:41 in the systems a lot of bullies in the

4:43 world so

4:44 and how did you find norman norman i

4:47 didn’t find until i i i wrote the song

4:50 in the summer

4:51 after my experience your song doesn’t

4:53 bother me

4:54 and it kept going like it actually

4:57 started in bits and parts

4:58 and then when i started seeing how

5:01 norman was coming forward and placing

5:02 the charges against trudeau i’m like wow

5:05 this is big and i’m like why

5:07 well first of all i wonder if they call

5:09 him crazy right

5:10 right and when he when i uh touched face

5:12 with him and he started telling me his

5:14 story i’m like wow i gotta share

5:16 with you what i wrote i said i’ve been

5:18 writing music and recording stuff to

5:20 just heal with my trauma i’m like

5:21 thinking

5:22 what better way to you know let your

5:24 story be heard even if it’s just to

5:26 yourself

5:27 um because a lot of the ritual gang

5:30 assaults that i would go through

5:31 they would play music so imagine being

5:33 assaulted

5:34 to like a michael jackson song or a bg’s

5:37 song or an elvis presley song and then

5:39 you know something now would be like a

5:41 justin bieber song something that you

5:42 hear for like the next

5:43 20 years you’re triggered forever

5:47 and so i’m like i’m gonna write my own

5:48 music and listen to my own music

5:52 and i’m gonna be fine right i don’t

5:53 watch television

5:55 i don’t listen to music i don’t follow

5:57 all these movies and netflix and all

5:59 that kind of stuff unfortunately

6:01 probably very wise

6:02 very triggering because a lot of these

6:04 people that i’ve met

6:05 in my child human trafficking in canada

6:07 have been since 78

6:09 that they’ve been abusing me or

6:12 taken part in the initiation process of

6:14 what the cult required them to do even

6:16 if they weren’t there to abuse me

6:18 they were there to watch and so like how

6:21 do you gain the strength as a

6:22 female or a human being or even as a

6:24 mother um the trafficking continued

6:27 because they

6:28 initiate us into becoming like not dead

6:31 mothers but like

6:32 blood mothers like we have to create

6:34 more children

6:36 for them to abuse and i’m like i have to

6:39 stop this so i

6:40 i reached out to some of norman’s people

6:42 and they’re like we’re

6:44 looking for you you know like you’re the

6:45 answer and i’m like i don’t know what

6:46 the answer is because they’ve been

6:48 silencing me for 40 years

6:50 and the last 10 years i’ve been trying

6:52 to come forward

6:53 to police departments to mental health

6:56 to women’s services women organizations

7:00 and they all let me go or let me down

7:02 and i thought well maybe there’s

7:03 something wrong with me

7:05 and you know norman was the first person

7:07 around me he’s like there’s nothing

7:08 wrong with you sarah

7:09 i’m like well first of all don’t call me

7:11 sarah call me jasara right

7:13 i decided that once i identified with

7:16 who i was

7:17 well i’m going to name myself and part

7:19 of

7:20 jasara is also still african

7:23 as well for a beloved princess like

7:26 sarah means princess

7:28 but i was told by a muslim woman last

7:29 year that sarah also means brave

7:32 that’s ironic so when i wrote doesn’t

7:35 bother me it was really

7:37 uh when i called back the police

7:39 department i said listen i’m going to

7:40 launch a complaint for what you did to

7:41 me last year

7:42 you’re like okay go ahead they’re very

7:44 sarcastic and like oh it doesn’t bother

7:46 you

7:46 i’m like okay then it doesn’t bother me

7:48 right and it’s so

7:50 typical like italians have this way of

7:51 talking with their hands

7:53 and uh we kind of just um

7:58 really get into certain slangs and

7:59 scenes so

8:01 i wrote every line in the song goes into

8:03 describing

8:05 not only the survival of the human

8:06 trafficking on behalf of myself but some

8:08 of the elite

8:09 allegedly involved and it also talks

8:12 about

8:13 other issues within our environment that

8:15 we all ignore like

8:17 it doesn’t bother us that there’s war

8:18 going on in another country

8:20 but we pretend it bothers us when we

8:22 protest it doesn’t bother us

8:24 that you know hundreds of thousands of

8:25 children go missing

8:27 and and i thought that this would be an

8:28 ironic way of not only using my healing

8:31 as a way to put my formal complaint back

8:34 to police who’ve

8:36 denied me the right of reporting my

8:37 abuse but also give me a chance to heal

8:41 and the words are are in the lyric video

8:43 it’s now streaming on youtube under just

8:45 sarah banu

8:46 yeah and uh i mean just it

8:49 just to give you an idea from the lyrics

8:51 here i’ll read a little bit to you

8:53 doesn’t bother me no negativity won’t

8:56 hold the space over me now

8:58 can’t you see practically practicality

9:01 never a reality

9:03 doesn’t bother me no negativity and it

9:06 goes on to repeat that hope of man down

9:08 one

9:09 hand truth denied sets you free from

9:12 this land

9:13 negativity won’t hold the space space

9:16 space space so the words and the

9:18 i mean just reading these lyrics there’s

9:20 great meaning to each

9:22 one of these words each word contains

9:24 its own frequency

9:25 each line has its own meaning each

9:27 sentence has its own

9:28 story that gives a voice to every single

9:31 canadian

9:32 every single victim around the world

9:34 every single person struggling

9:36 in in a war-infested country every

9:38 single person because this is what

9:39 chisara’s journey is about

9:41 by starting a non-profit organization to

9:44 use the funds from the music

9:46 to start helping with trauma care you

9:48 know i want to approach the un i want to

9:50 make them responsible

9:52 for not providing the assistance and the

9:55 rights towards these children

9:56 it was a canadian actually that that

9:58 wrote the chart of human rights

10:00 right and so the the the charter of

10:02 human rights have been available

10:04 to us as humans on this planet for for

10:07 hundreds of years but

10:08 within the 40s and 50s it was chartered

10:10 by a canadian and as well passed by the

10:13 british uh pam

10:15 and we are not teaching these to

10:18 facts or these statistics or any of

10:19 these informations about rights to our

10:21 children

10:22 and this is where they kind of lose

10:24 themselves in the balance of well

10:26 who do i go to you know if jasar is

10:29 singing about even police abusing her do

10:31 i trust police

10:32 and i don’t believe in defunding the

10:34 police i believe in reform and detox

10:36 and this is where you look at there’s

10:38 one line on on one of the other pages

10:41 where i go into uh yes it would be here

10:45 stat state or province human slavery and

10:48 human rights yo popo testa true

10:50 competence

10:50 is the end result so when you’re looking

10:53 at number of statistics and you have the

10:54 highest amount of human trafficking

10:57 statistics in ontario canada then we

10:59 know that there is a problem

11:01 internally that there is not that

11:04 they’re it’s out of their hands no we

11:06 need

11:06 to help our police we need to find what

11:08 the problem is make a solution

11:10 we can’t just point the finger we also

11:12 need to understand it could be also a

11:13 possible internal problem

11:15 sure that someone is not doing the right

11:17 numbers not even providing the right

11:18 information

11:19 and this is where i go into like if all

11:22 people want to start a protest over

11:23 police abuse my gosh

11:25 i’ve been you know abused by every level

11:27 of police in this country

11:28 since 1983 and

11:32 you know threatened silenced over it and

11:34 this is why a lot of the police

11:35 departments don’t want to take my

11:36 reports or

11:38 i even call the nation’s police human

11:40 trafficking department

11:41 and my number is automatically you know

11:43 sent to another law and they don’t even

11:45 answer my calls

11:46 well i mean we won’t get into the depth

11:49 of what that means and where

11:51 you know where jasara you know your life

11:54 and

11:54 what you know the way you’ve lived and

11:57 the people you’ve seen and the places

11:58 you’ve been

11:59 but it all ties into what you’re saying

12:01 right now ties into what we’re all

12:03 saying

12:03 because if that happens to me and i look

12:07 like this and we we look at all the

12:10 different

12:10 cultures uh especially in this country

12:13 which we call a melting pot you know

12:15 and if they deny me the ability to

12:17 report can you imagine what they’re

12:18 doing to

12:19 an immigrant that’s just come here or or

12:21 a woman of

12:22 a different stature or color or a child

12:24 that is you know part of a family that

12:26 has

12:26 particular beliefs and and their beliefs

12:29 aren’t

12:29 uh according to our laws so we have

12:33 human basic rights everywhere on this

12:35 planet

12:35 and this is what we need to i agree and

12:38 i really think we should be looking

12:40 those human rights up in the charter of

12:41 rights and rereading them

12:42 and in reaching out to individuals who

12:45 can help better

12:46 explain what they mean if you don’t

12:48 understand them so well josiah’s journey

12:50 website is being

12:52 made at this moment and a lot of the

12:54 things that i talk about especially the

12:55 charter rights there will be a link on

12:57 the website

12:57 there will be a link to the shopify

13:00 account as well where they can

13:01 buy products and every product that they

13:03 buy i’m not interested in making money

13:06 i’m interested in raising funds through

13:08 this non-profit so everyone that is

13:10 denied this help

13:11 across the country because they’re

13:13 denied the talk therapy

13:15 they’re denied the belief of what

13:16 they’ve gone through and this is what

13:18 you know

13:19 we need to hire people to help these

13:22 individuals and and give them a voice

13:24 you know not everyone has the

13:25 opportunity to meet norman or write a

13:27 song or even

13:28 sit here with you and i feel like i’m

13:30 obligated like i’m responsible

13:32 to try and also be this example like i

13:36 went

13:36 clean off of marijuana and alcohol last

13:39 year by myself had no assistance from

13:41 anyone in the city and so i want people

13:43 to understand that they can identify

13:45 with me

13:46 that i will understand and believe what

13:47 their struggles are and

13:49 how they’re not coping and why and i

13:52 want to have that ability on the site as

13:54 well

13:54 where they can find access to services

13:56 listen i know that at least here

13:58 you can get off the drugs without using

14:00 drugs this is a program here

14:02 and you go to this service over here

14:04 they’ll listen to you if you’ve been

14:05 ritualistically abused or humanly

14:07 trafficked

14:08 because i’ve i’ve been let go by crisis

14:10 centers in our nation’s capital

14:12 within the last less than 12 months

14:16 so this is a concern and i’m going to

14:18 keep working with norman to make sure

14:20 that these

14:21 atrocities are addressed especially

14:23 where our government is concerned

14:25 because it goes right to the top

14:27 you know we we look as canadian citizens

14:30 to

14:30 the leaders of our countries as well to

14:33 be responsible for what

14:35 we need provided as basic human rights

14:38 either our care

14:39 you know we we need to have food on the

14:41 table we need to have electricity

14:43 we need to have trauma care we’re being

14:46 shoved around in the system and this is

14:48 this is not old news of what i’m talking

14:49 about no it’s not but when someone’s

14:51 coming forward after 40 years of trying

14:53 to

14:54 i’d like to report this and it’s

14:57 illegally

14:58 removed from my right well that’s a

15:00 problem and this is where norman

15:02 is that angel in disguise you know where

15:04 he

15:05 is like without the rule of law or

15:06 nothing yeah yeah i really encourage

15:09 that those are great words

15:10 and thank you so much for for sharing

15:12 all of this today we

15:14 we got a chance to meet and fit this

15:15 interview in so this is really

15:17 really great yeah remember the song

15:19 doesn’t bother me check it out on

15:20 youtube this is just sarah and again can

15:23 you say your website

15:24 so binu is my youtube channel

15:27 you also find me on facebook as well and

15:30 so it’s j-e-h-s-a-r-a

15:33 and bennu is the egyptian hieroglyphic

15:36 bird so you’ll see the spelling is

15:38 b-e-n-n-u thanks for spelling that

15:41 so i know it’s so tricky right so people

15:43 they always spell the name wrong and

15:44 they even say

15:45 is it just sarah jasara they don’t and

15:47 i’m like whatever you want to call me

15:49 it’s fine you know i kind of go by i

15:51 love jasara

15:53 when one woman reminded me that it is uh

15:56 arabic for

15:57 for brave i’m like i tried to look it up

15:59 try to vary my name’s arabic i mean is

16:01 arabic it means trustworthy

16:02 there you go this is why i’m sitting

16:04 here today yeah there you go

16:08 such a pleasure thank you for for having

16:10 this discussion

16:11 check out the lyric video yep learn some

16:13 information there is so many

16:15 uh pictures that this is all off of

16:17 recent clips

16:18 off of the internet of statistics of

16:21 missing persons and missing children

16:23 we have almost over 500 000 that go of

16:26 children go missing in the states

16:28 very important per year we have

16:30 statistics in canada

16:31 missing children that are beyond what

16:33 our lock downs consists of and we we

16:36 need to start talking about the

16:37 importance of our children on this

16:39 planet and i really appreciate the

16:40 opportunity amina thank you

16:42 my pleasure god bless thank you so much

16:44 thank you take care everyone